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Day 6: I woke at around 2:45 am today and have been awake since. Today was pretty good though. I got lots done, and was in a great mood. I'm allowing myself a couple of rums tonight. The dose went down like nectar this morning, again 60ml. I was expecting a gradual build up of effects, not sure why, but I think I may actually be experiencing some tolerance now. I had a pinch of snuff this afternoon and the caapi seemed to like me using it's ally tobacco, as I felt very good indeed. I think I have got into the habit of convincing myself I need the "other" things to get through the week when I have actually coped just fine without them. That's a good learning for me and a big step after 20+ years of relying on substances to help me at night to forget my problems and sleep. This is not a silver bullet that "cures" you in any sense. It needs to be coupled with the will and actions to do the work on yourself. But I think it's worth exploring further. And I will. I wont be posting daily, but I'll update this thread from time to time. I'll update tomorrow after the full 7 days is done as I intended, and might have some more insights to add, but I hope this is of some use as it stands. I have tried to be open and honest as much as possible. Happy to talk to anyone via pm that is interested in more detail that I havent posted so far.

I think maybe because chemical shaman was a loved member here and a lot of the older members would like a plant to remember him by. Ive bought memorial plants that really i wouldnt have cared how much they cost.

I just heard that my presentation from June went up on Vimeo five days ago. https://vimeo.com/album/4766647/video/238247333 The other presentations are also online or going online (with more still coming at a rate of around one a day I am told) https://vimeo.com/album/4766647 A slide show of the highlights of the event: I have not watched any of these yet. A PDF of the original conference proceedings is at: https://archive.org/details/ethnopharmacolog00efro_0 An actual print version of the conference proceedings is available for prepublication sale at their website ESPD50.com.

Zedo - SJW has complicated pharmacology, chiefly serotonergic activity, but also effects on dopamine & other types of neurotransmitter systems, plus a bunch of enzyme-inducing stuff... short story, it has lots and lots of drug interactions, some of them dangerous. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head if combining with caapi would be one of the risky ones, but personally I wouldn't chance it. At least not without doing some detailed research into both their pharmacologies first. At a glance though, I can tell you that SJW has been shown to downregulate 5HT2A receptors, which are thought to be important to psychedelic activity, so even if it isn't dangerous to combine with vine, it may dull some of the effects. Also, many of the actives in SJW aren't heat-stable, so smoking may not be a good ROA.

Maybe Bigred shaman dick then fake my own death .

Hi all, I am about to start a course of daily doses of caapi to assist with treating anxiety and depression. I brewed up 50g of vine today, and plan to space this over a week, taking the equivalent of around 7g of vine daily in a tea. My brew was a simple water brew with only a tiny squeeze of lemon added at the start, and it was made with love and attention, I sang a few songs to it while cooking and also blew some palo santo smoke over it at the end. My hope is that it helps me break free from some bad mental patterns that are plaguing me lately, and I'll assess progress after a week. If things are going well, I will extend my course. Does anyone else have any experience with this? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, and I'm happy to receive PMs or you can post them here. I also have Rue, but I am starting this experiment with Mama Caapi as I wish to develop a close working relationship with her, and have heard some good results. I'll try to post daily here as to how I am feeling and I hope this may eventually serve as a resource for others who may wish to try this path. I have taken SSRI's in the past, but they leave me feeling hollow and mediocre, like the feeling I used to have days after heavy Raving. I plan to make other changes in my life to complement this path, but one step at a time. Let's do this. I have a good feeling about it. Lots of love, G.

King for a day, Fool for a life time..

good one mang. i used mushrooms microdosing for a period of 6 months and it helped me resolve many(not everything )issues in my life back then - especially the cluster fuck migraines. many here would totally feel where ya coming from in relation to work and life issue balance.......chucking before work from the thoughts of work alone just sounds the pits. mucho pressure/deadlines to be met huh? apologies for my brevity - best wishes mate and big, positive , zinggy vibes to ya.

Thanks for that Ano, it saved me from a long post about much the same! I've not found sjw to be for me in the past, and I certainly wouldn't want to combine it with maoi/rima activity, even at low dose such as I'm doing. When I was younger, I was taking aurorix (moclobemide) and made the mistake of drinking a strong ephedra tea. It brought on a migraine the likes of which I haven't had since age 12. It was hell for a full 12 hours. Bad interactions with maois are no joke, trust me.

I always found fellow shamans help each other out .I have been given a lot of valuable stuff and also given out stuff . Shamans don't care for money we care about each other .Thats why we have give aways and comps

The problem is its so slow we all have to fight over whats available, ill bid to $600 on the next one if i dont win it Im not sure any other cactus people pay that much for a cactus to be honest even the ones with massive cactus rabies that wanna collect them all

sagi, the book I mentioned agrees with your thoughts. It proposes a migration of modern humans from Australasia circa 200 000 BC, arriving in Africa some time before 70 000 BC. Genetic and anthropological evidence now strongly suggests the forbears of Australian and Asian Aboriginals were in Australia and Asia long before 65 000 years ago. The genetic data may even support a time frame as far back as 400 000 years, potentially longer. Conversely, the current genetic data does not support an exodus from Africa to Australia at any time. He supports his hypothesis with genetic evidence and correlating it with anthropological and archaeological findings. These data are not his. He is a research scientist specializing in paleo-anthropology, researching and collating the peer reviewed scientific findings of leaders in their field. You don't need to be familiar with genetics, but you will have a very difficult time establishing a comprehensive time line for the evolution of hominids without it. No I'm not. I think you've misread what I'm saying. (Unless I'm misunderstanding you). I am only familiar with one version of OOA theory, (and I'm uncertain who you're referring to with "fuck those fuckers..) which claims an origin circa 130 000 to 115 000 years ago and first migration of modern humans from Africa about 70 000 years ago. The Australian Aboriginals, Papua New Guinean and Sub Asians carry genetic markers (Denisovan and Neanderthal, among others) in far greater percentages than the folk of direct African descent. This can only be plausible if the ancestors of those living in Australasia preceded those living on the African continent, by a very long time. And the genetic data also supports the co-existence of Neanderthals, Denisovans and Homo Sapiens, along with a couple of as-yet-to-be identified hominids. Considering this, I'm certainly not disagreeing with you on the notion of a much earlier time for the evolution of anatomically modern humans. I'm with ya on this one, sagi. And yeah, I am aware the consensus in PA has changed. The first evidence indicating a need for a paradigm shift started to come to light at least 30 years ago, probably longer. Fenton's work summarizes this paradigm shift.

Get a drone bro... "Oh sorry Mr Farmer sir, just fetching my drone that dropped on your land"

Cubes hide in the grass and can often not be seen until you are right on top of them. You gotta do the foot k's mate, you're never gonna get em driving around looking out the window.

Finding this extremely interesting. I have yet to have any experience with a brewed caapi but this is making me consider to give it a go. I go from depression to mania and vice versa at times and over the last 2 months I've been falling further into depression. last time I had a real bad depression run I bought a bunch of saint johns wort from the organic market and started hit 3-5 cones of it everyday after work for about a month. At first I noticed nothing other than the horrid taste, but after a week I felt a little more balanced and after a month I just stopped doing it cause I felt 'normal?' again. Have you ever tried SJW for an extended period of time? I wonder if using it alongside caapi would contribute to positive outcomes. Hope everything tunes in to greater vibes mate.

is it fucked up that I dont feel the need to stop my inner-head ramblings?

An interview apparently went online yesterday. https://psychedelicsalon.com/salon2-033-the-psychedelic-archives-of-keeper-trout/

Well, someone said that anonymous botanists, claim my plant is a diplopterys, but not specifically Cabrerana... yet they also claim that is has the same activity, so might as well be Cabrerana .. maybe I will just call it 'chaliponga ' instead... i would very much like to know exactly what characteristics of my actual plant are said to have determined that it might not be Cabrerana... It looks exactly like all the pix I have seen of Cabrerana.... they said 'T Mckennas plant is not Cabrerana " what specifically about my plant did they determine that by? was it simply that they saw some other McKenna plant, and assumed it was the same? it looks exactly like Cabrerana ....as far as I can tell from pictures. can these botanists, step forward and say exactly what they determined that the plant is not Cabrerana by? i would very much like to know what identifying characteristics they determined this by....

My good friend Dimitri always knows how to pry my third eye right open...

Pachanoi 'Fields' x Peruvianus'Rosei#1' and bridgesii 'Psycho0' x open pollinated .. and more photos of the amazingly blue Pachanoi 'Fields' x Peruvianus'Rosei#1' Which almost looks like bridgesii hybrid to me, with these long distances between the areoles and this shape of the somewhat thin ribs.

All sold. Sending to WA carries risks of fines and loss of plants. If you have successfully recieved plants before, and are willing to assume all risk. Then pm me.

A few from this morning. I really should pot these guys up, I reckon they'd explode. They're over 3 years old now. Psycho0 x macro... Macro x scop... Macro x rosei#1... Rosei#1 x scop...

Malpighiaceae vines that can be found in Australia. Banisteriopsis caapi "Cielo" Origin:Other Regional Names:Distinctive Features:Folklore / History:Photos Banisteriopsis caapi "Ourinhos" Origin:Other Regional Names:Distinctive Features:Folklore / History:Photos Banisteriopsis caapi "Cascabel / Caupuri" Origin:Other Regional Names:Distinctive Features: Enlarged swollen nodes. Smooth barkFolklore / History:Photos Banisteriopsis caapi "Tucunaca" Origin:Other Regional Names:Distinctive Features:Folklore / History:PhotosBanisteriopsis Muricata Origin:Other Regional Names: Brujo Vine, Black CaapiDistinctive Features: Silver color under leaves.Folklore / History:Photos Banisteriopsis caapi "Shaman Australis Black" Origin:Other Regional Names:Distinctive Features:Folklore / History:Photos Banisteriopsis caapi "Trueno / Thunder" Origin:Other Regional Names:Distinctive Features: Very rough course cork like barkFolklore / History:Photos Alicia anisopetala Origin:Other Regional Names:Distinctive Features:Folklore / History:Photos

Hi, I'm not in Australia but I think I still count as "down under".. And my plants are nothing on the beauties in this thread of course, but I have two very different-looking banisteriopsis caapi plants. One I believe is a dwarf form, I have been told perhaps it may be called a "snake caapi" and the other seems to be growing normally, albeit very slowly. Both plants have struggled over winter, so I will have to show photos from last summer to show the true nature of the dwarf. Here is the dwarf (may 2013) Here is the more vigorous plant (may 2013) And now today, The dwarf is not happy! It has lost most of its leaves and nearly died after I gave it to my ex. I asked for it back in the hope of saving it, thankfully he agreed that was fair. I snipped off the dead part of the stem and repotted in nice soil. *If anyone has any life-saving caapi cultivation tips that would be much appreciated.* .. Otherwise I will just give it lots of TLC! My other plant which is in the greenhouse. It has been growing well and I think it is just beginning another growth spurt. It lost many leaves to slugs a while back but has come away again with new shoots. Interesting little curl on the end of a leaf My seed came from this thread: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=33965&hl= This was the description the seeds were sold with: Link to a post containing photos of the parent plantshttp://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=33965&p=396547

it transplanted really easy. I cut it back ;) dug it up and put it in a pot for a bit, then planted it out to it's new home. It jumped back into action pretty quickly. The top picture i just took the other day and it is the same plant.

Banisteriopsis caapi " Medicine Garden -- I think it is also called Cielo" and here is a picture of the same vine a few years ago before i had to move and and relocate it

Irie, So I was a little surprised to see my banisteriopsis muricata come into flower in November! Hoping for seeds in Feb 2014? Respect, Z

Banisteriopsis caapi "Trueno / Thunder" - Australia Vine Base: Vines Vines Leaves Leaves Nectaries Bush Note: I have on purpose left out the ambiguity of rattle because I have always called and known this vine as Trueno or Thunder.

Banisteriopsis Muricata "Black Caapi, Brujo Vine" Vine Base: Vine. Leaves and flowers Leaves Leaves Nectaries with Cielo in background. Seeds Photo credits Zaka, T.Plowman, João de Deus Medeiros.

Banisteriopsis caapi "Shaman Australis Black" - Australia My photos of this vine are not the best brothers and sisters because a tree fell on it and decapitated it hey. It is only now starting to make a come back 12 months later and I thought the bugger was dead. It is around 3-4 years old. If anyone else has better photos then please feel free to contribute them to help the thread. Cheers! Vine Base: Leaves Leaves Nectaries

awesome pictures, awesome thread! hmm, how to say this, your nickname somehow fit's with what my research has told me about caapi, in the sence that caapi does produce trails, and concentric trails around round objects, specialy when moved.

Banisteriopsis caapi "Cascabel / Caupuri" - Australia Vine Base: Vines Leaves Leaves Leaves Nectaries

Banisteriopsis caapi "Ourinhos" - Australia Vine Base: Vine. I love the red colors this vine shows at certain stages of growth. Vines Leaves Leaves Nectaries Bush Ourinhos would be one of my favorite vines for various reasons. It is a true monster hey!

Banisteriopsis caapi "Cielo" - Australia Vine Base: Vines Leaves Leaves Nectaries Bush

Thanks for the photos mate! Nice looking vines hey. Your cielo looks nothing like the vine we ozzies have in Australia called cielo. My cielo lacks the silver undersides So the plot thickens! One aspect of your vine that stands out is the silver undersides of the leaves and the leaf veining which look very close to the B Muricata by plowman photo I posted. I have been wanting to take some photos of my vines ever since I started this thread but it hasn't stopped pissing down rain since then. Guess I am going to have to take some wet shots hey!

Irie, (sorry guy's I was mid edit and the net went down for 24) So this is my B. Muricata. Note the silver underside. Note the size leaf against the size of a Cielo for comparision. Also the necture glands compare with the Cielo glands. Respect, Z

Irie, I'll take some photo's later. In the mean time here a link to the start of the grow from seed. In this thread, follow the "Black". The leaves are quite different between the seedling & mature plants. Respect, Z

I can't actually remember the source of the black caapi. Might need to do some searches in my emails for hints. or maybe I traded with someone here. sorry, at the time [probably about 6 years or more] I thought the colours thing was all a bit arbitrary and hence didn't keep track of some of the background.

Yeah there is quite few of them hey! Alicia. anisopetala is spreading out these days everywhere which is a bloody good thing IMHO. The other you might be refering to is Alicia macrodisca. Both share similarities with some Diplopterys.spp Theres a few Malpighiaceae to be found down under natively. Some I am aware of are Heteropterys syringifolia, Tristellateia australasiae, Stigmaphyllon ciliatis and Hiptage benghalensis to name a few hey. Hiptage benghalensis should be ruled out and is a bit of a pain in the ass to be frank haha. Its a weed around here and its quite a bloody challenge removing it manually. Possibly D. Cabrerana is slow growing but even one length of vine 1m long can yield many cuttings. You only need 1 node to root a new cutting. The more cuttings growing, The more material there is and so on. Personally I don't think the real one is in Australia, Even the locals in South America seem to have a hard time finding it and making a correct ID. Some of this again boils down to the same problem of tribal naming from region to region. Anyway the D. Cabrerana down under topic has been done to death in other topics so may be we can leave that out for now. The sure do like to run Zaka! I have a ceilo that has spread over 30 meters from its original planting location. Life would be bloody grand if exporting and importing was easy! Sadly that will never be the case for us oztralians

75 genera 1300 spp in the Family Malphigiaceae according to wiki. A reasonably large family. Very interested in the genus Alicia. At least one is on Oz that I am aware of - A. anisopetala. I understand it may well have arrived here labelled as a Diplopterys sp. I have heard mention of a second Alicia sp. being in Oz. Anyone know anything more of this? In answer to your question - maybe Diplopterys cabrerana is so slow growing (which I understand may well be the case) that there is simply not enough vegetative material to allow for broader distribution and maybe it will be many many years before it flowers in Oz and sets seed? I understand that flowering and fruiting of this species is rare in the wild (although it does happen as evidenced by the line drawings of its fruit in the Harvard paper).

Thank you for your photos zaka it's much appreciated Sorry old mate I read your post wrong so excuse this edit. Your cielo looks very similar to a B. Caapi I have hey. Do you have any pictures of your B. Muricata seeds ? I ask because B. Muricata has pink tinted seeds. What is the origin of your B. Muricata? Cheers!

Irie, Here's Cielo flowers and seed! Respect, Z The second photo (R.Burnham) that Trailblazer posted, I would agree looks like Muricata!

I have a differing view on this one Zaka - the vine does not look like the cielo strain that I am familiar with in particular the leaf shape and colouration appear different... This thread will obviously be valuable in clarifying comparative features and assisting in accurate IDs of the various Malphigiaceaous species out there. The Harvard University paper is another good resource, particularly for giving clarity to the comparative features of fruit of various spp..

Irie, Hmmm!? That flowering vine looks exactly like my Cielo strain. Leaf shape, flower color and fade! The vines I have that I suspect to be Banisteriopsis Muricata, didn't flower for me this year, but the leaves are significantly smaller & have a silver underside. Respect, Z

Thanks tarenna, I hope something can come out of it. For me I think the great diplopterys hunt is over rated hey. There is hundreds of Malpighiaceae and I would be willing to bet my left nut theres better ones out there than just D. Cabrerana. We have only just scratched the surface in relation to this genus don't you think? Alicia.spp springs to mind right away. But to answer your question, If a person had it then why keep it to themselves, It doesn't achieve anything other than a slight advantage in a pissing contest!

Interesting thread thanks TrailBlazer. Looks forward to reading more about this fascinating family and seeing some interesting photos.. Mostly looking forward to an answer to the perennial question... is Diplopterys cabrerana in Oz?

OK so lets do this. I have a question for Torsten or Toast about the SAB about the "black" Banisteriopsis Caapi sold by SAB. Do you guys know the origin of this plant & How did the name come about? Has it ever flowered for you and if it has what color was the flowers? The plant stands out from others with its more ovate leaf form compared to the typical elliptic leaf shape of other Banisteriopsis Caapi. The nectaries, Both the amount and arrangement is also unique. I ask because Banisteriopsis Muricata or "Brujo vine" is what IMO Black Caapi is in the Amazon but from photos of B. Muricata vines I have seen the SAB one does not look like B. Muricata. Of course I could be mistaken and we have the tribal and regional naming who-ha. Thats why I hate to refer to vines as colors but thats why I am asking the questions hey Cheers. Banisteriopsis Muricata Photo by João de Deus Medeiros Banisteriopsis Muricata SAB "Black" Caapi photo to come...

This will be a comprehensive list of Malpighiaceae's that are to be found getting around our sun burnt country. I am not interested in ones found in the USA or elsewhere, Only down under hey. I am using the family rather than one single species because I am convinced plenty of Malpighiaceae are our friends. Not just banisteriopsis.spp The reserved posts I will add as other members add and discuss interesting Malpighiaceae and we all come to a close agreement on name and identification and then added to the list at the start. The goal is to have the first couple of posts as a reference for us all with easy and clear information without bullshit and ambiguity and forum topics here and there. BTW My time is always limited so I will be editing my posts from time to time to add more info and what not. Consider it a work in progress thread boys and girls!