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  1. sagiXsagi

    Ephedra sp. cultivation notes and discussion

    Good news , the last chiloensis turnt up a female (see pic) , so I am hopeful for seed this season! Also check out a couple of pictures from the equisetina explosion of growth, which I de-weeded today.
  2. sagiXsagi

    Ephedra sp. cultivation notes and discussion

    Thanks for kind words. To be honest I had never thought about that, and its a pretty damn interesting point. You see, once ephedras are of a certain size and above they are quite easy-going and the only problem is a potential drying out, if you forget watering them in the summer months, especially in dry and hot summers. So, going from how much they like being in big containers, I would say that maybe that could be cool tip. In summer put most of mine in a spot that gets bright shade in the noon and they tolerate the summer much better there. I might try your idea this summer with some plants! ****** Oh well, the 3rd seed grown sinica proved another male, and this means I have 4 different male sinica plants, including the 3 seed growns and the one I got from ebay as a rooted sucker. The quest for a female continues! Here are the 3 seed growns, the one in the right is still growing and hasnt fully bloomed. Oh, the other day I saw my last chiloensis to have formed cone buds, still hoping for a female in that front! some pretty cool pictures from my equisetina, showing new growth which makes a nice contrast with the older blue segments , and making sucker-offshoots! seems I might be able to propagate it next year
  3. Ephedra plants are available for sale (~20-30 euros per plant) , EUROPE ONLY distachya (male, female) sinica (male) fragilis (?) ask via PM
  4. sagiXsagi

    Ephedra sp. cultivation notes and discussion

    After some years from seed, around 4-6 years, sinica does suckers. Thats why one should not plant them in containers with holes at the sides (of course the same goes for distachya) . Waiting for the last seed grown sinica to reveal its sex, hoping its a female this time.
  5. man I hate it that I should downside all pictures to post in here ... damn.... this is a healthy relic population that still shows how the species acts in its natural habitat ... this seems to be too healhty, maybe the healthiest greek population or maybe the people writing papers on distributions + behaviours of plants are as negligent as people who perpetuated the several problems in ephedra taxonomy .. Damn fucking scientists
  6. Pictures from a spot that seems to have been completely burnt in summer 2021. There's a picture that you should zoom in to see whats hapeing... I saw so many new sprouts in some places, and knowing how fragile fresh ephedra shoots are, I decided I should not go there soon, such a hippy sensitive idiot I am with that fresh shoots , lol.... I have been doing progress since then elesewhere though ...
  7. tenontitis man, I answered this again, didnt you read the whole thread ??? lol damn these kids nowdays, no respect educated guess for both or any location in greece, says E. foeminea, the large, climber one, which is distruibuted in all greece and is not very unusual in indisturbed habitats and archeological places .. E. distachya is rarer and more habitat specific and E.major (E.nebrodensis) is even rarer and I havent seen it in habitat. yours should be foeminea, its an impressive plant !
  8. sounds like what you call major is a distachya .. its definately greener than major and fragilis and its easy to propagate through suckers when cultivated in pots..
  9. pictures have to be less than 1 MB in size to be uploaded yes they have leaves, temporary leaves which wither and die and leave 'scales' in the notches which are aften characteristic for the species, generally speaking or PM me and we talk via email
  10. sagiXsagi

    Ephedra sp. cultivation notes and discussion

    RETROSPECTIVE / UPDATES , March 2022 INTRO : I have recently re-started itching my longterm ephedra project. While I have compiled a photo archive and have an excellent compilation of ephedra papers , some of them printed on paper, I left the studying project to sleep for the past years and I only kept growing some species. At some point I had projected that this ephedra monograph superproject I had in mind would last 4-5 years.. I am laughing now... Well, 5 years was the first wave, I now feel I am on the begining of the 2nd wave. The highlight of my new phase is that I discovered a local Ephedra distachya remnant population (see a separate thread about that) which was additionally severely damaged from fire (but even burnt plants seem to resprout) which is a separate project in itself, as the habitat is in a close-to-extinction- stage, and also that this is the most southernmost distachya in greece that I know, other know habitats being far up to the north coastline, so it was quite surprising. I intend to monitor the regeneration of the plants and explore more the area to find more spots of this remnant population, in an old river delta, among heavy human interference and civilization.. I also fantasise about finding a local scientist to push the cause for studying my find, try to pretect it and perhaps collaborating with the ephedra academics doing stuff in greece. Oh well, one can dream, cant he??? At the very least, I am all for doing the fucking work for free, but I will get a mention in the paper that I was a helper god damn it! hehe PLANT/SPECIES/CULTIVATION UPDATE + SMALL RETROSPECTIVE: the plan was to grow as many species as I could, side by side, so as I could determine best and first hand a better taxonomic understanding via cultivation notes. I stupidly lost my ephedra minuta/minor plants when I pushed too hard to propagate via suckers in the wrong substrate . Hopefully I will make new plants from the seeds I got when one female plant went hermie. I have lost my viridis and nevadensis plants, propably due to the same substrate issue.. I am now growing another nevadensis 1.5 year old, still looks pathetic, lol . I am hoping that the last, 3rd chiloensis will be female, and the same goes for the last flowering sinica, I am hoping for a female plant... Its a cool extra new feature, trying to get both sexes in a species, makes collecting more challenging... The substrate for species minuta/minor, sinica, equisetina, any american species should rather be more sandy/clay/cactus type substrate .. The substrate for distachya, major, fragilis, foeminea and any other climber-crawler, you can use a more common commercial soil for plants, it can be much more nutricious.. or some mix of the two. PRO TIP: I have found a source in europe for cheap small plantlets of ephedra intermedia and ephedra feldschenkoi, rarely offered plants in any form. PM me if you are interested. FRAGILIS DISCLAIMERS: In the past in this thread, I have refered to a greek form of foeminea as fragilis, cf fragilis or foeminea ssp fragilis.. Let me set this straight : theres is no fragilis in greece.. fragilis is reported from spain and morocco. Ephedra fragilis is a lookalike with Ephedra major ... Ephedra nebrodensis is the same (synonym) as major. There's a lot more taxonomic confusion with ephedra descriptions, especially from the mediteranean area, but I wont go into that. One of the reasons I made up that name and involved the name fragilis as a nickname for one of the local foeminea types, was one becasue it was "fragile" like fragilis description and two because I had begun to understand that fragilis is a problematic species throughout ephedra taxonomy and at the time I was leaning towards the position it might not be a true species, that it might be a misnomer, especially seeing the similarities with major. NEW EPHEDRA SCIENCE UPDATES+ NOTES + NEW SPECULATIONS : leading worldwide ephedra expert and one of my personal heros, swedish acedemic last 2021 paper finds that more and different research is needed. She finds that maybe foeminea was not the most ancient and sister-to-all-other-species after all... New and more detailed variations of the calculations show that major is the most ancient sister to all now ... I wont pretend I understand phyllogenetics, but the papers implies that introgression and / or hybridisation events could have been a part of ephedras evolution history, and of course this turnt me on because I am allready very much into the hybridisation and speciation events in baja california among Ferocactus species... I am not scientist per se, but I really think (and so do some scientists ) that hybridisation events is an underappreciated factor in speciation, and how wonderful and fascinating concept speciation is !!! thats why I am so much into taxonomy, I think there's magic behind it all! research in south american species is advancing too, but I am not too read up in this. hopefully in the future seeds from south american species will be more available for us freeks that wanna make ephedra gardens with different species side to side.. Cheers, grow on and stray true!
  11. they dont look like diffusa
  12. It would be extra cool for me if you showed detailed pictures, especially since your plants seem to be major and fragilis , so a real side by side comparison would be awesome... 5 pics per plant would be cool! things we are searching is: 1) woody trunk , how many main trunks, are the branches the same width? 2) does one do suckers near the base while the other branches from the woody base ??
  13. Ephedra are notorious for being hard to identify to species, so to know for certainty the source location of the seeds is a very important factor for ID purposes. Spain has all you mentioned: distachya, major and fragilis. All 3 species are relatively easier to cultivate, and notably faster than say american or asian species. This having been said, I regard distachya as one of the easiest to ID, and yeah its a plant that doesnt grow much in height, it grows horizontally through suckers, so woody trunks are a rare occasion on very old plants. Distachya has also a characteristic female fruit formation and its natural habitats , especially the coastal ones make it realatively easy to ID, especially when in fruit. Now, major and fragilis are another cake: they keep changing positions in the phyllogenic charts of the last 15 years papers and the major (pun intended) 2021 paper on the subject doesnt resolve open ends, it rather concludes that more research should be done. In any case, major and fragilis are very similar plants morphologically, leaves and scales seem to be identical, seeds are of the same type and growth is of the same kind, erect and their reproductive organs also seem very similar. Their main difference seems to be that fragilis grows much taller than major with fatter branches. There are some indications that fragilis seems to also tend to grow suckers from near the base of the plant , while this is not reported for major. I also assume that fragilis grows notably faster than major, and I think I remember Torsten pointing out the difference in plant vigour comparing the two. The fact that the two forms (species) are reported to grow in sympatry (both forms in the same habitat) in spain doesnt make things easier, but still spanish botanists insist they can tell one from the other.. You dont hapen to know the exact location your seeds were collected in spain , do you ??? So, it seems to me that having seen the plants in their habitat seems to play a major (pun intended, again!) role in the understanding of each species, especially if said species has lookalike species nearby. Habitat plants of the same species can vary dramatically, as most or even the vast majority are very old plants and remnant populations. Culivating from seeds of known species can also contribute such knowledge, but one should remember cultivated plants and habitat plants can look a lot different. But I am assuming that taxonomic infos and data can be obtained by both activities , that is visiting habitats and growing different species from seed side to side. I have grown several plants of the fragilis / major type in the past, and because I discounted the species status of fragilis back then (not without good reasons), I lost the tags, so I practically do not know which of my plants are major and which fragilis. I am now in the begining of another wave of studying ephedra I remember you saying your plants dont make cones at all, am I right??
  14. sagiXsagi

    Ephedra sp. cultivation notes and discussion

    despite the stressed look, my bigger sinica has been developing bigger year after year, there are so many flowers this time.. Hopefully the last one which is flowering for the first time is female, or I am stuck with 4-5 male plants
  15. i do not agree. distachya never gets that tall, and some of those plants are pretty old, though the pictures arent that good.. the very round one yeah that must be a huge sucker that grew after the fire... in any case I intend to explore the area more to study both the population and the regrowth.... but like a said, distachya are a short plant... I am having a 3rd sinica flowering and I hope this time its a female!