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In case you guys didnt know, they are giving away fresh free caapi seeds of those 3 varieties, over on sharetheseeds. Thats where I got mine, they sent it out super fast, just ask for state appropriate labelling according to whats permissible. Very generous giveaway, i think they want caapi global domination.

P's Dog here - I LOVE you all for this forum thread - yep! this has got closer, deeper through the skin of the matter than ever before in human terms! We will never actually speak and make in words what is truly a spiritual abstraction:- esteemed Elder Sartre attempted by saying that the meaning of life was to experience its phenomena and then to actualise it by asking "what is this, my existence?". The 'meaning of life' is that itself - the condition where you can ask that question. Enough of that - let's get solid, for a little while, at this point. I have read through and LOVE you all - be it known that mathematically we understand now that "bounded chaotic intermixing causes strange stability". Bless you all for your freedom speaking and bless our SAB forum here for being the bounded set of our individual subset chaos. Yeah it is heavy reading - like analysing the scintillation events of a mass of heavy nuclear isotope during critical event - but dear God it is wonderful - my absolute privilege to witness, if it doesn't annihilate me for observing. Really what other forum has this? None! But being PhaemonsDog I must chuck in the mathematical chaotic "strange attractor" - the Palladium into the core - here goes:- The Three Commandments of Shamanism:- - 1. Do not steal; - 2. Do not tell lies; - 3. Do not be lazy. As you can see it is largely an amoral Religion - there is no right or wrong, legal or illegal, good or bad. No severe restrictions on "murder", "adultery", "rape" and "pillage" per se. or "breach of contract". Can you "trust" them...ummmm....not for me to answer - ask them. Sozz - I am taking a lot of liberty here - does one only not only hurt the ones you love? Love and Peace. P'sDog - please keep up the debate.

Here's a current pic of the same plant above, kohyo nudum. Changing colors nicely as fall moves along...

Hi, it is from my family plantation site. It is cultivated agarwood for sustainable future. I have to obtain CITES (cites.org) appendix II to import here. CITES permit could only be issued from the origin growers. We are in the business for more than 20 years in oversea but new in Australia. The stock is with me in Brisbane, NOT from oversea as I import stocks and I am not drop shipping. Just like diamond, as default, it is expensive as: ALthough it is cultivated, it takes 7 years for the Aquilaria trees to grow before being infected by yeast and fungus. When being attacked, the defence mechanism is created, hence agarwood It takes another 2 years before being harvested as if less than 2 years, the quality would be inferior as those wood are immature Wild agarwood is still exist but in the bridge of extinction.I have sent several samples when the promotion was on, teaviews.com gave me the following review: "I steeped 1 teabag in one cup of boiling water. The tea has a smell very unlike any other teas I have had. It reminds me of a damp forest and a camp fire. It smells bitter and astringent. I only steeped the tea for 3 minutes allowing the water to become light brown but the flavor was powerful. This is some very, very strong tea. It’s hard for me to describe the flavor but for some reason it reminds me of burnt wood. I read that some people just consume little bits of this tea at a time and I’m wondering if that’s because they can’t down a whole cup. It has a little bit of a sweet aftertaste, but even adding sugar doesn’t help the extreme bitterness. The first time I consumed this tea, I made some mistakes. For one, I steeped it too long. 3 minutes is really all the time this tea needs. Next, I added sugar in attempts to cover the bitterness. This didn’t help at all in my opinion. If you’re going to sweeten this tea, use honey. The time of day you drink this tea is also important! It seriously makes you sleepy. The first time I drank it at noon and I just wanted to nap all afternoon. The second time I had it before bed and slept like a baby. Also, keep in mind that this tea does indeed affect your bowel movements. Make sure you drink this tea when you’ve been eating properly. I also read that some people are allergic to Agarwood essential oil, meaning they are likely allergic to Agarwood tea as well. This is important to keep in mind before ordering." I have highlighted here, you can click on those link from my page to get the journal articles http://www.grandawood.com.au/pages/benefit-of-agarwood-herbal-infusion I have the woodchips as well, again all from our Agarwood plantation site.

I use a solvent - EtOH in grape juice to help me sleep. I drink it as it would take far too long to inhale enough to get any significant effect. I only drink four nights a week though, I like to stay up all night listening to the junkies next door fight so I stay current with all the latest slanderous insults and gossip.

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Hey all I have the following Tricho cuts for sale. All cuts are 30cm+. If you click on the pic it will tell you the type and cost. All postage is at buyers expense. If you want multiples I will knock a bit off the price. Please post here what you want then PM me your details. Cheers

ummm you've possibly just met Leucocoprinus birnbaumii, or 'yellow houseplant mushroom' -edit- = not an eater if my guess is right... update pics later could be beneficial to a positive ID ;) .. come to think of it, it'll spore and you'll find em popping up in all your plant pots if ya do that..^^ might be worth getting rid before that happens ... they're not that harmful so long as not munched and quite pretty but that's about all for redeeming qualities maybe... (if my ID guess was correct) is it indoor or out? , if out ... then let nature take care of it I guess?

Nee How! From Dhong Ki Wang Ghost Doctor with Scabies to Clan Pat Uri. Esteemed Fenris please forgive I am unsure of your enquiry - I do not understand if you desire more information about Punica pomegranate - a most noble herb for shaman use; weight-loss, a considerable subject within itself; or herbs that are used to treat diabetes. I am your servant for such information to be the treasure of us all here in forum. Nature has provided us with ready supply of Madagascar Periwinkle C​atharanthus roseus ​as abundant as the blessings of Heaven for the emergency treatment of diabetes. A tea of twenty leaves will stabilize a sufferer for a day until proper medical attention can be obtained. This matter has been well testified in literature if it pleases you to confirm my suggestion. I pray that this should always be remembered to prevent death by the wise doctor of herbs. I trust you do not find my affirmation too bold in such recommendation for the diabetes crisis is a very serious, if not very obvious, concern. Please feel free to resolve your intent for my understanding as a kindness to this, your servant.号汪驴 Regards of Clan Pat Uri

Thanks for your responses.

hey ob what is the 6th dec super plant meet? Man, i need to start showering more so peeps will invite me to super secret meeting with alum foil hats and esky phone boxes made out of styrofoam from the seventies. we'd be up for a meet - anybody wanna firm up an opinion?

For what it is worth, I feel I should apologise in general for lowering the tone of the discussion, and apologise in particular to ghostly for my immoderate, hasty and hostile response to one of his posts. All that said, I still feel all of us need to properly unpack our statements and be clear and precise with what we are saying. When I read: "What we can see is that western ignorance is mostly to blame. along with cultural clashes. full stop.", I fixated on the word 'blame'. To me, use of 'blame' implies moral/ethical responsibility - for example, if ghostly was pissed with me, then I would be to blame for that. So when I put this together with the article in the first post, I jumped to the conclusion that there was an implication that the victims of this sexual abuse were to blame due to their ignorance of the substance, the people running the ceremonies, and broader cultural context in which all of this is situated. Such ignorance could well be part of the cause of such incidents - but that is very, very different from saying that that it is to blame for such things. For example, my decision to leave the house would be a causal factor in me being mugged in the park, but that does not mean I would be morally to blame for my misfortune. Mixing up the ideas of cause and blame is a key move in victim-blaming, especially where sexual assault and violence against women is concerned - we've all heard this before: "She shouldn't have been walking in that area by herself/wearing that/acting that way" etc. I have a firm belief that a woman (or man, because men are also sexually assaulted) should be able to walk wherever they like, wearing whatever they like, without someone trying to rape them. Similarly, I think (all other questions aside) that everyone should be able to choose to participate in these ceremonies and works without sexual contact that they did not, or could not, consent to. (If people think that makes me some sort of cultural imperialist, then I can live with that.) So instead of being deliberately inflammatory, I should have just said: "ghostly, maybe you should replace 'to blame' with 'the cause', because that's a better way to get your point across".

shaman is just a word. i liked mr wormwoods "bolt from the blue" post. it was an excellent post IMHO, but he does make reference to a certain definition of what a shaman is and while in the context of his post it's quite clear what he means, there is no universal definition of the word so i don't know if anyone can answer your question change. the word comes from siberia yet is almost always applied to south americans nowadays, for obvious reasons. tribal mystics predate the very concept of $500 so it's arguable if such thing as a "true shaman" can even coexist with modern concepts. edit: FWIW i've been surprised and confused by the direction this thread took. i think this is an opportunity to increase awareness. the article was written with commendable sensitivity and so far our discussion has been blunt and combative.

People can find it hard to control alot of things to do with sex, money, and drugs. Priest and shaman too!

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My granny said that its a good deal.

Strybing pachanoi pupped last october and has grown 2 feet in the year since. Best growth of any of my potted trichs..

Welcome aboard if I didn't welcome you already , and thank you kindly. I look forward to sprouting these cool seeds with you digitally : ) and enjoy the site mate!

How dissapointing, I was expecting some telekinetic mindtricks floating a giant cactus.

yeah, plenty of canna edulis in gardens & disturbed bushland round this way.. but not sure if they're nice large tuber cultivars.. i did harvest some wild tubers a few years ago, they were a decent size & not bad eating.

patiently - trick .. or treat polyamory !

I like this post I have honestly known one guy who got a lot of a brewing experience. I've met about 10 people who have gone into it hoping for the best and come away with a very warped view on things and ended up massively damaging their own lives and those around them afterwards. I would not say they are better off now than before. Shamans are spiritual leaders for a group of people as far as I see. And there are tribes in existence still with shamans that help lead and guide them. Some of their guidance is really far off and even dangerous at times though and I see that as being a big reason it is not as prominent today. I don't know if my "real" shamans are what you would call "real" shamans. I believe everyone has got some responsibility for their actions but there is most definitely a huge portion of everyone's lives that are way beyond their own control. Some people get the short stick and genuinely do have a shitty time in life. I could understand why those people may feel as though the world is against them and turn towards spirituality, science, arts, music or even shamans to help them through or show them a way. Part of that is because of many of the systems in place in life, Part of that is just the struggle for existence. I don't think that many of these extreme psychadelic experiences are useful for people in a truly bad place. Different story for other substances used in the right settings and under the guidance of the correct people. Would you call a physician trained in administering psychopharmaceuticals in a clinical setting to help patients through psychological trauma a shaman? Because such people do incredible work and many substances are truly powerful. Some are just too extreme for a person in a fragile or vulnerable situation. And a proper shaman should be responsible enough to know this and not just cash in on peoples desperation.

^ What is this sorcery?

pregnant - with the new .. magic day after pill !

Thats a bit sad then. I haven't met many people that have taken ayahuasca but I have read and listened to a lot of people discussing their experiences and it seem many are getting some benefit from their experiences. Of course, some are not. Do you have a standard measurement as to how fucked up you considered people to be before and post experience that makes you consider they've had no benefit whatsoever? You say you haven't seen many people you considered "healed" which implies you've seen some that have? I don't mind bluntness. I was more feeling that Changes posts were vague and random and little more than finger diarrhoea spread through the posts. The fact some of the posts have now been deleted bears out that they contributed little. I think there is wide scope for people deluding themselves and other people, in many ways. But then practically, I question what people want to get out of these experiences and are they getting them? I wonder, who is getting hurt and who is getting helped? There's no doubt people will look for a way out of shitty situations whether its through western medicine, psychology, psychiatry, spiritualism, religion, psychedelics, drugs. For some, some things work, for others it works but they become insufferable assholes, for others it doesn't work and still others just find more harm and even death. Some retreat centres are going to have more ethics around who they treat and why, some in it for the money and some not. I think its a shame to see things so black and white. Its kind of like people that have such an intense hatred of police and can't see beyond that to the people behind the uniform and recognise some are cunts and some aren't. question: who in your opinion are the real shamans? You're statement implies you think there are some out there but these people are not. Is there a point when you see that a shaman has stopped being a shaman because they act in a certain way? Do people going to these places have some responsibility, no matter how fucked up their life is for their own actions or is it all the fault of the system in place, or something else?

I think it's only about taking advantage of people yes. I haven't seen many people "healed" from these places. What kind of discussion would you like? Yes I will be blunt about it. Yes I will be dismissive that "they aren't real shamans" and yes I will be combative when people are defending a practice that I find utterly offensive. And that practice is taking money from people going through a rough patch. Also known as exploiting vulnerable individuals. I don't care who does that or when they do it or why they do it or how misunderstood they may be. It's not cool.

I think it is a shame that an article that discusses so many issues and presents an articulate and nuanced examination of not only some troubling circumstances but also potential solutions has resulted in a thread with very little nuance or examination. Is that all you think it really boils down to Change, that this is all just about people taking advantage of each other? Its hard to understand what your points are as their is very little context when you throw up your thought bubbles.

remember in about the fifth post it was suggested that you articulate your posts better. i think that's a good idea if you're going to continue being antagonistic to avoid needless ruffled feathers, back-and-forths, etc. i suggest we start by foregoing the word shaman and any other ripe examples of private language.

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Lol I thought we were discussing south American retreats

500 brews for healing makes healing exclusively accessible to the rich, how very shamanistic, its a shame they wont give me a discount for having a health care card. A real shaman would be volunteering at the hospital healing the terminally ill, but i guess its not good for your sharman Rep if your terminally ill patients keep dying.

maybe a practitioners place on the continuum from healer to fraudster is indeterminable.

Maybe its what is done with the 500 that would set the shaman apart from a fraud

It would be good if answering my questions was possible

^ Too good

Aya Banana - ego death horny .. personality splits !

so the shaman's that want $500 per brew arent real shaman's then ? i wonder why most people still refer to them as shaman's? i think spiritual salesman is a much more accurate term If a shaman was in touch with the spiritual world, like for example Jesus was, then why do they need money from their customers? why cant they just turn a loaf a bread and a fish into a meal that will feed thousands ? If shaman's are so good at healing, then why do most of them come from countries with lower life expectancy and where large numbers of people die from preventable diseases on a regular basis? @ ghosty - you sound to me like a very nice shaman, its a shame my shamanistic experiences weren't as positive as yours, maybe if i meet a shaman like you my point of view would be different. I can see the flaws in my previous statements, no two shaman are the same so i shouldn't be judging them as a whole.

love, take a laxative.. and hope it doesn't hit real sudden

People definitely do love to defend that which they love dearly. Almost like the church defending the priests every time that pops up. Why do people go to shamans? For healing? Why not go to a Dr? Do they say things that you don't like? The only kinds of people that I've known to go to shamans and the like and take it seriously are those that are battling deep seated psychological issues. And having those kinds of issues isn't a problem. Its a pretty fucked up world. If you didn't get some mental discomfort from your life then you probably aren't paying attention. The thing that I don't understand is why someone with psychological issues would go to seek out people that aren't functioning particularly well in the modern world as it is so as to be "helped" so they can function in the modern world more appropriately. It doesn't make sense. And I understand that if you go to a Doctor about your mental issues it can be really damn tough to talk to them about because you feel broken. I've been there. Surrounding yourself with other potentially unstable individuals so that you can "feel better" will never do ANYTHING to help you out. And yes i know that not every single person who looks for spiritual healing and guidance is dealing with mental shit but the vast majority are and getting yourself fucked up on substances that affect your brain in unfathomably complicated ways is probably not the best approach. And the environment for abuse couldn't be better. Hypothetical situation below: "Hi there mr police officer. I went to this ceremony involving partaking in an illicit substance with a whole heap of other people. And this guy that I paid for the "not drugs that are actually drugs" took advantage of me and abused me" Most people would be so damn paranoid about getting themselves into shit and potentially the other people there that they might not say anything. The fact that there are any reported cases in such a dodgy scene is quite surprising. If you take this as a personal attack that is your own fault. I don't mean it that way at all.

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Whenever money enters into the spiritual realm its material nature cannot help but taint that experience to some degree, no matter how small. They are codependent, in that the spiritual is the yin to the material's yang. Complete sincerity in deed is therefore less common nowadays when compared to the past. We as a species have become so much more materialistic, so that the spirit as motivating factor for communion and brotherhood amongst mankind is placed further and further into the distance. This is also why when we encounter those that embody nobility of spirit and sincerity of deed it is so powerful. As Lao Tzu said, "Best to look for it in you!" or something... and from reset.me http://reset.me/story/20-safety-tips-for-participating-in-ceremonies-that-use-psychoactives/

" Let me see if I'm reading this right. Western ignorance = ignorant westerners = blame the victim Cultural clashes = armchair moral relativism = excusing the actions of the abuser" nice lot of hideous assumptions. Enlighten you? hmm, i doubt that's possible. I'm sure you can read, and have the net.

"Whenever you get a situation like that unscrupulous practitioners will move into any field, especially in countries where poverty is rife. It will also happen in more affluent countries but to a lesser degree as life generally has a higher value in affluent society." maybe. or perhaps they have a network of vested interests / numerous "medical bodies" that protect these unscrupulous people, and paint over such matters with fancy colors. If you have ever had to deal with a negligent "doctor" here, or just looked into sri materials and medicine criteria you notice something rather alarming. something that directly conflicts with your statement.

Let me see if I'm reading this right. Western ignorance = ignorant westerners = blame the victim Cultural clashes = armchair moral relativism = excusing the actions of the abuser Perhaps I'm missing something. Feel free to enlighten me. I think that's right, relative inequality definitely makes unscrupulous behavior more likely - or maybe it changes the kind of unscrupulous activity - we have plenty of bent bastards in Australia, they just end up in a different line of work. I think there's more to it though. Abuse in institutions happens here too, and we have nowhere near the level of absolute poverty that exists in south America.

It's a supply and demand issue in some respects, when people come in droves with pockets full of greenbacks someone will supply what they want. Whenever you get a situation like that unscrupulous practitioners will move into any field, especially in countries where poverty is rife. It will also happen in more affluent countries but to a lesser degree as life generally has a higher value in affluent society.

good question and good point. Given the size of the america's and the differing issues and beliefs retained by the folks throughout the region, some bad is bound to happen. Add to that, the views of many brazilians and no doubt many other areas, that those with money or seen as having money (gringo tourists) must have got it through bad / brujo means. this would mean to them, that they are not of the same worth. In terms of ayahuasca, I'd imagine many tourists bring it on to themselves too. After all, this is the main reason some add toa (plain stupid). but gringo must have his chased effects, at any cost. with pharmacological views that dont mean anything pertaining to ayahuasca. Their ignorance leads to changes being made that are not in the best interests of anyone concerned. The result? deaths. What we can see is that western ignorance is mostly to blame. along with cultural clashes. full stop.

Is the incidence of abuses higher than in the general population? Hard to say, given much probably goes unreported. Humans in general need to change their ways.

I'll vouch for that. Shoving pigeons into peoples holes never ends well. You lube them up and they slip in OK, but when you try to pull them back out the feathers dig in & they get stuck.

I will attempt to make one in the next couple of weeks. Just sourcing parts atm

Is it possible to cut out these advertising middlemen and just harass people directly using the forum software? Maybe some kind of prominent reminder notice, banner-style, asking them to pay an annual fee. Maybe it's just me, but I would find a direct request for cash to be far less offensive than random (or worse, targeted!) advertising. Funny you should post those pics Holographic You - girl #2 is the reason I installed adblocks - damn her distractingly jiggly bottom!