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I agree, that's why I just call them as they are labelled, or what the grower calls them unless an obvious mislabel. I think people changing the names causes half the confusion, like changing serra blue to true blue. Serra blue can be traced to Sacred Succulents, kk 242 can be traced to Knize and you could get collection data from them for classification. But trying to find out what a true blue is leads to confusion in my opinion. Like this plant in question is labelled a macrogonus, only so many people collected and sold that named cactus, only so many imported them to NZ, maybe Knize, Koehres and maybe a few more recently etc, you could through a process of elimination get a good idea where the original seed source came from by comparing known samples of those cacti. Or just call it a kick arse lookin cactus. Upto the owner I suppose.

I have always been reasonably intelligent, but it took psychedelics for me to realize how stupid/ignorant/arrogant I am. For that - I am eternally grateful.

Hi everyone! This is going to be my first post here, so I though I might as well start off by contributing something interesting to this forum. I recently acquired a large cutting of T. Macrogonus, but sadly, it was badly infected with some kind of (fungal?) disease. It had produced red veins going right down the length of the cutting, and when I tried to cut it out, the cut surface quickly went black and/or red. So, I decided to try an experiment - I'd heard that it was possible to graft single areoles, and I had a large, well-rooted piece of some kind of common Trichocereus that I wasn't very attached to. It was planted on its side and had produced four new shoots - four prime candidates for an areole graft! After quite a bit of reading online, I grafted some healthy looking areoles onto each of the new shoots. I sterilized everything (including the skin of the cacti before they were cut) with isopropyl alcohol spray from a hardware store. Unfortunately, all of these areole grafts failed - they didn't fuse with the stock plant and started to rot. So, I redid them all, refining my technique as I went. I now have four areoles that all seem to have sealed to the stock after having been grafted a week ago. Time will tell if they start to grow or not, but everything looks good so far. Here is one of the seemingly successful grafts: The following factors seemed especially important: - Reducing the amount of contact between scion and stock seemed to be really critical. My first grafts looked like a half-circle, with the skin touching the stock and the spines on top (see photos). As these scions started to dry out, they curved so that the center of the scion lost contact with the stock. In later grafts, I cut the edges of the scion down at an angle so that none of the skin of the scion was touching the stock, and so that the scion was thinner at the bottom than it was at the top. I can post photos of this if its not clear what I mean. - Lots of pressure also seems critical - my first grafts were not taped down tight enough. - Getting rid of slugs: they came out of the plant pot at night and made a bee-line for the cut surface. This resulted in infection and rot. I had to keep checking on the pot during the night (they tried to hide as soon as the light was turned on) and removing the slugs - about 15 in total (the pot was kept inside)! I'll keep this topic updated as to whether the grafts are successful or not.

But then spines reflect PAR, so a long spined peruvianoid will grow short spines when it is is exposed to lower light levels. So it is really hard to make the distinction between Mac and peruvianus one of spines, otherwise a shade grown peruvianus is a Mac, and a sun grown Mac is a peruvianus.

Sorry, I tried to plus your post and accidentally hit neg. I have no issue with things being clear, but the idea that Teotz is a nazi for wanting to dispel the coleus myth, namely that it is a replacement for salvia and is another entheogen, seems kind of ludicrous. I wish more people had the enthusiasm and drive to explore and research that Teotz has. If wanting to clarify the coleus issue is tantamount to being a nazi, then I am a nazi too. The first thing on the nazi agenda is apparently to stop people from passing along information that is not true, not that coleus lacks vague activity, but that it was ever used by shamans in Mexico, or that anyone ever really claimed that.

I am not sure I believe in the myth of the intelligent human. I mean, how would you know? As for the people I have seen drawn to psychedelics, well I can't say they aren't varied. Being one of the dumbest people I know I still realize that human assessments of intellect are themselves fraught with flaws. We have a conflict of interest in regard to evaluating our selves, others and our species. In general those who are confident about their intellectual capacities seem to be those who often have the smallest intellectual range, despite frequently being well spoken. In an academic setting pseudo-intellect is regarded as intelligence. I find it ironic that in dogs some people measure intelligence by the obedience of the dog, I would think the opposite, that those who are the most obedient and the most able to conform to the expectations of authority are the least intelligent. The dog that doesn't listen is the smarter one, it knows you aren't the boss. I have seen psychedelics cause some people to suspend reason, kind of like Christians, if the bible said 2+2=9 then a lot of Christians I know would believe it and never think about it. Any acceptance of authority in an absolute sense implies stupidity, this is the most clear in those who believe themselves to be intelligent, thus perceiving their own authority and not questioning it. Anyway I have seen some psychonauts do the blind faith thing where a trip tells them that 2+2=9 and they believe that they have gained some valuable insight. Certainty in our species seems to be the hallmark of stupidity.

to me, intelligence is high working memory capacity + joining the dots in a novel way ("creativity"). insofar as psychedelics help you in the creative process, give you a new and different perspective on matters that enter your mind i suppose they do enhance some component of "intelligence". on the whole i gravitate towards this community cos i've always personally found trippers to be a clever and insightful lot. or at least a bunch of people who are interesting to me. at the same time, i really think this sort of sentiment breeds what i coin "psychedelic snobbery" , convincing yourself that you're one of the select few who "gets" it and anyone who doesn't is nowhere near as clever as you are. it's really an insidious attitude to take. so i riddle you all this: is there such a thing as a DMT bogan, and would you believe me if i told you that me and my compadres have witnessed with our own two eyes such a marvelous mythical creature?

Remember these times....... Oh the memories. Home Grown goodness from Itch-e and Scatch-E

Another track to add to distracted's theme. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjD_7Y6fqME

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As mentioned previously the rumors of it being used like Salvia all come from Wasson, who said that some indians told him it was used this way, and that others told him it was not, he never confirmed it and basically said he did not know, this was well before the discovery of Salvinorins. Well, what medical professionals? What Indians, can you give me more of a reference than that? there has not been a single report of any rituals involving coleus, nor has anyone reported a shaman who says they use it like salvia, there is basically no person that can be credited with Salvia like use or even credited with the claim that it is employed in such a way. As for South East Asian countries, which ones say what again? there are two main reports of activity for this species, the first is from people who smoke it and they report that it is a mild sedative. the second type of report for this plant is at Erowid, but I saw a presentation by someone from Erowid who claimed that their reports are selected in a very peculiar way and that they publish a very small minority of the reports they get, basically Erowid reports are an incredibly poor representation of activity for any plant or chemical and are cherry picked, so to speak, to represent what Erowid thinks is best, for lack of a better word Erowid trip reports are statistically bullshit and not as useful as they may seem to be, but then maybe that can be said for Erowid in general, given that it contains very little original data and it presents a lot of misconceptions in its vaults. I believe that given the testimony Coleus is active in a sense, but not like Salvia and there is zero documented evidence that it is used or ever has been used by Mexican indians in the manner that Salvia is. The people who have explored the region and met the shamans and done a lot of work on this since Wasson have not in any cases observed or confirmed Coleus being used, despite the fact that they obtained a lot of data and specimens of Salvia d. and closely related species. So what does a person with access to various research publications and the world wide web know about something in comparison to third world countries? Well didn't you just post this: Your evidence alone shows that you likely know more about this plant than people did in the past, you are drawing from data that could not have even been produced 20 years ago, so the idea that somebody knows more because their culture used it or because they went to medical school is untenable. I've taken a lot of medical and pre-medical classes in a college setting and the medical community is vastly over rated regarding what it knows, go ask a random doctor about Coleus and see how familiar they are with the pharmacology it has, you will learn that a 15 year old internet nerd knows way more about stuff like this than they do. If you want to know how to check a prostate for swelling, ask a doctor, if you want to know about the pharmacology of psychoactives ask an internet nerd.

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In TCM, horrificly-tortured bear juice is good for you.

i haven't watched the video yet as my monthly dl allowance has expired (another scam thanks to telstra), but it's refreshing to see something in msm not demonising weed use,,, www . theage . com . au /tv/show/when-we-grow/when-we-grow-20110805-1ienq.html (link obscured to avoid track backs)

we should all be voting for whoever we want, that's how democracy works. in regards to this party (which i have never heard of and therefore don't expect to be very influential) i wouldn't vote for them for the following other reasons: -personally i think privatisation of public assets can work, see melbourne's rail system (privatised) compared with sydney's. the former is less crappy. -they seem very xenophobic, similar to mr rabbit STOP DA BOTES -speed cameras aren't perfect but i prefer them than people driving dangerously everywhere -carbon tax is good. sort of conflicting they say 'genuine climate care' whilst saying no carbon tax. just goes to show political parties will only tell you what you want to hear. -all their good policies are covered by the greens and sex party (lol as if they can be serious...dear me). back to topic at hand if we want cannabis legalised we probably shouldn't vote for liberal or labor that's for sure.

Green called... she said she's been insulted. She wants her name back...

Oh I bet it was (perfect example of "active coleus test")

So is nothingness.

gotta love variation eh? those plants look pretty cool. i do i have a bunch of arios on it now. but it is not a strong stock, hylo is sturdier which is why i tend to use it more...and for seedlings i often just puss out and use peresk, but sometimes i use seleni for seedlings too its a great stock, but not very strong. and about sober grafting, i very much disagree. if anything i will compromise and admit grafting the important things first is a wise decision on a related note, here are the TBM crest flower starters i posted on the nook in case people here are not members there. fingers crossed. this is from MItosis and i think he got it from SS, but not sure. Mutant bro, these were grafted after a good lot of beer, and they turned out ok...just like homers kids. if grafting drunk makes mutated penises grow pubic hair out the end, i cannot think of any better way to grow plants.

There is no awesome this isn't! :D

archea it was teotz i belive mentioned reference to the mazetec using coleus thats were i got that from, and well the medical profession uses forskolin to treat alzheimer's. and well I assumed its used in south east asian countries medicinally as I know it is at least used to cook with in penang. check the threads I am one of the many members here who has actually tested coleus and reported psychoactivity (on numerous occasions) I was simply getting tired of teotz nazi mentality on assuming coleus is inactive because it does not compare to blasting your brain with disasociatives.

Show me where I mention that please.