While there are reasonably cheap budget pcs around it will work out a fair bit cheaper when things such as the case, power supply, HDD, operating system are not needed. Ballzac, thanks for that run down, its really helpful. It wont be overclooked. It really is just a simple home office computer. Just needs to run smoothly for basic programs and be a reliable brand as my folks are rural and i am not around to fix issues and computer stores are expensive to get something minor looked at. It all seemed overwhelming with such variation in price and functions but youve made it seem simpler. Time to make some lists. Thanks again