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Technique for chewing leaves (e.g. khat/salvia)

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Ahoy beautiful plant heads.

An embarrassingly simple question.

How do you chew leaves like khat and sally?

I find chewing a small amount of plant material leaves me with massive amounts of saliva. I'm aware I should be aiming for buccal absorption, but how to handle all this liquid? Just swallow and strain the bits like a baleen whale? I can't really get past the first hurdle here - I bail out after the first sample. 

Would love to actually get some effect from my khat some time! :lol:

 

 

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The khat "quid" is often stored in the pouch of the cheek when not being chewed. It's usually tender shoots of stems, rather than mature leaves, that are bundled for commercial sale and consumption. But that's only what I've read, in books. IMO, you can safely swallow the "bits" (edulis = edible, and khat contains numerous vitamins and minerals). 

 

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I read that you need a rather large amount 100 to 300g of  khat quid.  Quite a mouthful! 

For salvia someone has a patent for chewing gum containing salvinorin A, which might be easier than a massive quid.

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I have always had a thought about khat but not really sure of the practicality of it or how you would get the extract and infusion to work without degradation.

Basically would somehow involve an extraction of I'm guessing preferably fresh leaves, then somehow that is infused into molten sugar or a gum which is then solidified into a lozenge.

I imaging the end product would work well but I'm not sure getting over all the hurdles to reach that end point would be very easy.

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21 hours ago, Alchemist said:

I read that you need a rather large amount 100 to 300g of  khat quid.  Quite a mouthful! 

For salvia someone has a patent for chewing gum containing salvinorin A, which might be easier than a massive quid.

Yeah I struggle to get even a small part of that into my mouth. 

 

I've heard of the 'in the cheek' technique, but then don't really understand how the cathinones are meant to get out of the tissue unless your pulverising it in the mouth, at which point it's too liquid to stash in the cheek! 

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5 hours ago, ZooL said:

I have always had a thought about khat but not really sure of the practicality of it or how you would get the extract and infusion to work without degradation.

Basically would somehow involve an extraction of I'm guessing preferably fresh leaves, then somehow that is infused into molten sugar or a gum which is then solidified into a lozenge.

I imaging the end product would work well but I'm not sure getting over all the hurdles to reach that end point would be very easy.

There are cold alcohol extractions that are apparently effective, but there would still be some degradation.

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You can always brew a tea from the leaf, for cathine and norephedrine (but no cathinone). I'm pretty sure I've read of a liquid khat extract being commercially available in some markets. 

 

Has anyone tried a masticating juicer with fresh khat leaf? 

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fyzygy is right, with khat you just pick the tender and soft shoots and small leaves. With red khat, these are dark, almost purple. Best material comes from well-watered plants. It is a large amount of material, your jaw will probably be sore. Chewing heaps of leaves isn't for everyone, it's an acquired taste. I don't think it's gonna catch on as a trendy drug in Australia any time soon lol

 

You end up with a huge ball of plant material in your mouth, keep chewing it and adding leaves. When you end up with tough material you spit the ball out and start again. People generally drink a lot of water, because of astringency from the khat tannins. 

 

Juicing khat works well, but it can make you sick on an empty stomach. 

 

Chewing salvia is quite an ordeal. leaves are wrapped into a cigar-like cylinder and chewed. The taste is memorable.

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1 hour ago, saguaro said:

 I don't think it's gonna catch on as a trendy drug in Australia any time soon lol

It's a cultural thing - and Oz is culturally diverse.

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1 hour ago, fyzygy said:

It's a cultural thing - and Oz is culturally diverse.

 

sure, it makes sense in Yemen, it's not haram*.

 

I still don't think chewing khat has mass appeal considering australian culture in aggregate. can't see it taking off at music festivals or anything lol

 

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