Who is profiting from "legal" incence blends

[mutant]

MD, sorry to say that , but

hypocritic is to post an opinion f.e. on how you think synthetic cannabinoids are bad , and should be made illegal

then someone disagrees with this opinion and you slander him by openly saying in public he is a junky, whatever he said, this is a no no in my book.

after that, even if I agreed with you, you lost it

but I dont agree with you, every drug should be legal. I have never tried synthetic cannabinoids btw

[tripsis]

Too much inane debate to read in this thread. However, I had no idea there were synthetic cannabinoids available here. Knew there were a few overseas, but didn't realise they'd made it to here. Not surprising really, I just have no interest in weed, so never looked into it.

Would these products not be illegal here?

[Psylo]

Are any of these blends simply ethno cocktails plus synthetic THC-like chemicals, or do some of them contain high potency herbal extractions instead of synthetics ? After reading this thread Im keen to try some, ecpecially now that Im in a position to potentially be drug tested at work.

There's a brand called Northern Lights that appears to be an australian supplier, although confusingly the prices are NZD when they say they ship from Sydney.

[mescalito]

@T-Fair enough,I just wish we knew what the synths were and there was some more info on them,but of course they won't let "Them" know so we can't make a responsible decision.And I do get your point,it just worries me where I'm at atm,I found kicking the real-deal actually made recovery easier.

The first time was very nice indeed and I found that where the BZ belly was stopping me from eating,this stuff had me up and into the fridge in no time!

If you mix with booze you will probably lose your balance pretty badly as it tended to do that without.

Northern Lights' "Golden Breeze" says

"This product contains a uniquely formulated blend of superior herbs and plant materials, with synthetic fragrances added"

"The incense will emit a very pleasant and relaxing aroma when burnt."

"Please use responsibly"

They do offer re-selling opportunities too T.

The Manufacturer is in NZ,the Distributor is in Aus,so it works out pretty close.

[ethnodude]

Interesting thread.

As stated before, there are a number of reason ingredients aren't listed on these "Herbal Incense" blends. In an ideal world, where the government had the people's interest at heart, vendors would be able to have full ingredient lists and adequate health warnings on how to use products "responsibly". However this is not the case. The way that the government looks at it here is if you make claims about products, including warnings, the product will then be deemed a "therapeutic" good. Companies then have to gain approval from the relevant Gov agencies, after paying tens of thousands of dollars to test. If the gov then deems the product not suitable for use, the thousands of dollars spent on testing are not reimbursed. Now, given the fact that cannabis is deemed not suitable for use, and hence illegal, what is the likelihood of the gov approving any "legal high" for use? You gotta be dreaming if you think that's going to happen. This is a good link to how these things are going Thanks Tripsis (although in NZ which are a bit behind restrictions than good old Aus).

Any vendor that is listing ingredients and stating directions for use, are running a big risk of prosecution for supplying these products. So in order for some companies to avoid prosecution in the future, they need to be creative with how they present products to the general public. Unfortunately this puts the consumer at greater risk as they do not know know to use products responsibly to minimize possible harm.

If I were a conspiracy theorist (which admittedly I am), I'd say its almost as if the Gov (big Pharma) wants people being harmed by alternatives so they have justification to bring in more restrictions. Mean while people are dying in the thousands of pharmaceuticals which some how have been approved for use, even though they cause death.

lofty86

I hope this addresses some of your issues and helps you get a better grasp of the situation. Unfortunately for vendors its a very fine line between informing the consumer and avoiding prosecution from the TGA. My recommendation is do your research on a product, and if your not sure, don't take it. No need to go around bagging people over forums just because you don't agree with their methods. You come across as vindictive when I'm sure that's not what you want. I know your hearts in the right place though. There is just a way to go about things. No love lost though .

Edited May 9, 2011 by ethnodude

[Torsten]

The issue for me is certianly not availability. I get wholesale offers all the time and have knocked them all back. The two biggest issues would be age verification and accurate labelling. The former really needs to be a face to face thing which is what HHH does. The latter would probably require me to make my own just to be sure. I can't see this trade lasting much longer, so it might realy be too late to get into it.

[Sallubrious]

Im curious as to which blend you got (i dont expect you to name it) as i have never seen a "made in america" logo on any of the ones i have purchased.

 

I bought it for him and it is K2, it comes in many flavours including Damiana which was the 1 I purchased.

It also comes in summit, blonde, blue, strawberry, watermelon, blueberry, mango and there area few others as well.

The Tobacconist assured me it would get me smashed the same as kronic and pot, and an experienced smoker who buys K2 has had hallucinations from it (sales pitch ?), there was also a mother in there buying it her teenage son and the tobacconist was quick to recommend this product.

Very irresponsible I thought.

We smoked around half of it and the best description "it's like being smacked around the head with a shovel" it was very intense but not a very enjoyable high and the next morning you suffer from headaches, lethargy and a general feeling of malaise/sickness.

The other half was given to a neighbour who is a regular smoker.

[mac]

I wouldn't mind seeing it in the SAB store but im sure it would create bad publicity & other problems for the store eventually, it would be a bugger to know how much stock to order as it may be banned for sale any day

[PD.]

We smoked around half of it and the best description "it's like being smacked around the head with a shovel" it was very intense but not a very enjoyable high and the next morning you suffer from headaches, lethargy and a general feeling of malaise/sickness.

The other half was given to a neighbour who is a regular smoker.

I have seen a couple of ppl report getting headaches etc from using incense blends but on the other hand i have talked to ppl that have gotten the same effects from smoking pot, indoor and outdoor grown weed. The way you have worded what you have written though makes it out that these efeects are standard and what one should expect, ie "it was a very intense but not enjoyable high and the next morning YOU suffer from headaches, lethargy and a general malaise/sickness" as apposed to "the next morning I suffered etc".

Im not having a go at you at all and im not questioning your experience with the stuff but its these kind of reports that get to me. Have you ever had the same kind of effects from cannabis??

The first time i tried any of these blends i had abstained from pot for 6 months or so, the effects took a lil while to kick in and when they did it was fairly gentle building up to a very pleasant high which after a few hours i could feel wear off. This was from kronic "skunk". The next time i tried it was a different blend called tropical explosion which i found to be a degree lighter in its effects. I tried a few more blends and the last one i tried was from northern lights and was their new blend at the time also called skunk. It was very strong and the more i smoked the higher i got, there didnt seem to be a ceiling to it so i assumed that one could go overboard with the stuff and get the paranoia or green out like one can with regular weed. Im guessing thats why in the description on the site mentioned "for the experienced user only". Last nite i smoked some organic outdoor cannabis, very soon after smokiing it i felt sick to my stomach, got a sharp pain to the side of my head and was anxious, something i have experienced before from weed but something i have never experienced from incense blends.

That said, i have not tried all the different blends out there and i have no doubt some ppl would be getting some crappy effects from them as some ppl get shitty effects from all sorts of different weed or a whole range of consumables. The worst of all the blends i have tried was aussie chill extreme, it didnt really get me high as such and made me somewhat confused and a bit shaky, not at all what i was expecting and i guess if i had of sucked down a few cones worth of it rather than have a sprinkle in a joint it would have been a shitty experience and quiet unenjoyable.

All in all, i think these incense blends are something to be embraced as they offer another avenue for ppl that wish to indulge and if they can use these where they cannot use cannibis then it is a great thing for them indeed.

As for passing judgement on the mother buying for her son, well you are entitled to your opinion of others though there may be a whole plethora of reasons she was buying for her son. She may well have been doing the best thing for her son but that is a subject to which a whole thread could be dedicated.

[Sallubrious]

Im not having a go at you at all and im not questioning your experience with the stuff but its these kind of reports that get to me. Have you ever had the same kind of effects from cannabis??

 

No I have never had headaches when I used cannabis.

[Slybacon]

Any one listen to JJJ hack last night???

[Bush Turkey]

Any one listen to JJJ hack last night???

 

have a listen here....>>> http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/hack/stories/s3212555.htm

[santiago]

has anyone blatently smoked kronic and co in a public area yet........ie casino, party, shops, park bench, sunday church gathering, and if they were treated like druggy scum and or threatened with police or moral wankiness by anti drugs people...............with of course you being ultimately innocent via getting stoned with legality.

[Psylo]

has anyone blatently smoked kronic and co in a public area yet........ie casino, party, shops, park bench, sunday church gathering, and if they were treated like druggy scum and or threatened with police or moral wankiness by anti drugs people...............with of course you being ultimately innocent via getting stoned with legality.

 

It's not about smoking technically legal stuff in public. The perception from others is that youre smoking 'something that smells funny' so the automatic conclusion is that it must be dope. Why anyone would want to bring undue attention to themselves is beyond my understanding. For me, I dont want some straight assholes in my face, calling the cops or staring me down. Would the police even know that it's not pot, when youre smoking a legal herb ? Do you want to sit at the cop station for four hours while they process you just to conclude that youre in the clear ? No thanks, I would rather lay low, and enjoy my free time outside of a holding pen.

[ethnodude]

has anyone blatently smoked kronic and co in a public area yet........ie casino, party, shops, park bench, sunday church gathering, and if they were treated like druggy scum and or threatened with police or moral wankiness by anti drugs people...............with of course you being ultimately innocent via getting stoned with legality.

 

Apparently some idiots were smoking it openly on a mine site up North. Hence a lot of this attention. IMO those people deserve disciplining, as they are a risk to themselves and others. Unfortunately, because of people like this we need regulations.

Edited May 11, 2011 by ethnodude

[incognito]

i want some!

hook me up!!

[santiago]

Apparently some idiots were smoking it openly on a mine site up North. Hence a lot of this attention. IMO those people deserve disciplining, as they are a risk to themselves and others. Unfortunately, because of people like this we need regulations

i know what you mean, still i dont see the difference between drinking a beer in public or having a cigar and smoking this...............all technically legal righto, without actually going that far to trial it in public i think its a weird moral dillema you guys have to smoke something perfectly legal but try keep it all hush hush.................why so secretive and reclusive, do you guys turn the lights out when you crack a bottle of shampers in case your doing something wrong. i find it an amusing conundrum

[incognito]

i want some,

hook me up!

[mescalito]

Shit I smoke Heimia and don't worry in the slightest,there are herbal smokes for people who are giving up tobaccy,so what's the big deal?

The incense doesn't even smell remotely like MJ btw.

Incog go back in the thread and one of the suppliers name is mentioned...drug hoover

[Sallubrious]

i want some,

hook me up!

 

You can ask at your local tobacconist about K2 not sure about Kronic.

[Bush Turkey]

any head shop sells it incog. kronic, dust, magic dragon, northern lights its all roughly the same. i dont see why we cant mention the names? if not ill edit post

[Torsten]

Want to know who is profiting from Kronic? The same people who started the BZP pill craze in NZ [and thus the world]. Matt was actually at EB1 and we stayed in touch for a while, but then he denounced party pills and went all weird. I guess he found something more profitable to focus on.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5132352/A-Kronic-desire-for-anonymity#share

[Distracted]

Want to know who is profiting from Kronic? The same people who started the BZP pill craze in NZ [and thus the world]. Matt was actually at EB1 and we stayed in touch for a while, but then he denounced party pills and went all weird. I guess he found something more profitable to focus on.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5132352/A-Kronic-desire-for-anonymity#share

 

Interesting read, what an odd entrepreneur.

[Sallubrious]

Want to know who is profiting from Kronic?

 

It was never about Kronic.

Magicdirt was referring to K2 we don't get Kronic here.

So who is profitting from K2 ?

[Slybacon]

^^^ Not sure what island your cave is on?