fyzygy Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-03/tga-approves-psilocybin-mdma-for-treating-depression-ptsd/101929578 Edited February 3, 2023 by fyzygy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-RC- Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 In all likelihood, this will not be cheap either, particularly as psilocybin and MDMA are not on the PBS and are unlikely to be covered by any form of health insurance. Private psychiatric services are not well-funded by Medicare, and can cost up to $600 per hour. Surprise!!! Seems a bit steep to gain access to something that literally grows out of the ground, and that human kind has been safely engaged with for thousands of years... Psilocybin is also non-toxic, and I have to say that lumping it in with MDMA for me is a bit of an issue. It's bit like saying cannabis is like meth, for an extreme example. MDMA + dodgy ticker = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyzygy Posted February 4, 2023 Author Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) I think psychiatrists are medically qualified, for what it's worth (not much to me -- doctors do more harm than good, in my experience). Possibly the substances would have to be taken in a clinical setting? Degrading conditions, from what I've seen. I think Andrew Robb can afford this. And anyone in the upper echelons of MMA. I can't even afford the GP visit, to get the mental health plan, to qualify for my 10 free counselling sessions. I last paid $140 for a GP (Telehealth) appointment, got a referral to some top psychiatrist ... who never called me back. And that was the end of my association with mainstream medicine. Let me guess ... it'll still be criminal to go mushroom-picking, worse than dealing heroin. Edited February 4, 2023 by fyzygy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-RC- Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 2 hours ago, fyzygy said: Let me guess ... it'll still be criminal to go mushroom-picking, worse than dealing heroin. ...Surprise!!! Oh, you saw it coming... So just to clarify, only the rich can access it, from people who have no experience with them (other than the expensive training they receive of course) who will charge like wounded bulls for it. But you can't pick it wild and free, because who makes any money from that bro? Oh, and big pharma can 'grow' it, of course, but no-one else. Dangerous shit to be fair. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherealdrifter Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Tania de Jong AMLL.B (Hons), GradDipMus - , G.Rinehart............ the entrepreneurs .....its all so simple If my husband was an ex banker and i was a mining magnate mistress living large off daddy this is a cash cow mutha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saguaro Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 if you think these psychedelic capitalists have your best interests at stake, I have a port in Darwin to sell you 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyzygy Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 So ... Swinburne announces a $5M study of treatment-resistant depression and potential therapeutic effects of psilocybin. To be undertaken in 2023. Within a few weeks of this announcement, the TGA jumps the gun, leapfrogging over just about every other nation, to announce approval of the psychiatric use of psilocybin for treatment-resistant depression, etc. I wonder how the researchers and $5M stakeholders in the Swinburne study feel about that. And what implications the TGA decision could have for that particular research program. The fact that the TGA didn't bother waiting on the results of the Swinburne study, signals (potential) political influence on the approval process. Why the sudden urgency? Maybe we need to ask around the big end of town. Someone with even deeper pockets than the Swinburne backers -- surely? -- must've pulled some strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Fleishman Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) ... Edited August 16 by Ishmael Fleishman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withdrawl clinic Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 my gp doesn't even know extasy and mdma are the same.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Fleishman Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I spoke to a crisis worker who works mostly in the hospital settings - she had heard about the announcement and said that people will be pulling down their pants in public and raping people on the street now that medical psychedelics have been made legal. - She is a lunatic nut job herself but that is another story. What absolute fucking bullshit - but it just goes to show how much stupidity and misinformation there exists about medically sanctioned psychedelic-assisted therapy. Just imagine - A patient who seeks help and enquires about psychedelic-assisted therapy only to be told that this treatment will turn them into a pedophile rapist waving their dick around in public. This is going to be an uphill battle. That could very quickly come to an end if we get another Johnny Howard in power. Then I am reading these reports about Ketamine and its unregulated off-label growth in the US. Just waiting for the backslash. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Fleishman Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) ... Edited August 16 by Ishmael Fleishman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyzygy Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 From about the 50-minute mark, investigative report into TGA approval process, discussion of who benefits, etc. https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/sundayextra/sunday-extra/102057916 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-RC- Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 My sceptical mind is screaming "Surprise, surprise motherfuckers!!" Honestly though, did anyone really think this wouldn't happen, especially given the state of medical cannabis in Australia??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyzygy Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 The more freely available the medicine is, the less viable their monopolistic business model will be. Legalisation would be the end of it, or would at least put an end to extortionate price-gouging. If only there were another aggressive, well-heeled lobby group like MMA ... but a lot more democratic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Fleishman Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) ... Edited August 16 by Ishmael Fleishman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZooL Posted March 24, 2023 Share Posted March 24, 2023 I am a bit on the fence about how this has all come about so quick with a full 180 from the tga. On the one hand I think mdma and psilocybin are clearly effective treatments for some conditions, aside from the research being clear on this I have seen first hand instances of someone near instantly snapping out of life long religious indoctrination and instances of people addressing childhood abuse they had never spoke about while effected by these. If I have seen these effects in an uncontrolled environment I have no doubt you could use this effectivly in a controlled situation to treat ptsd and other similar conditions where current treatment has failed. But on the other hand I think this "mind medicine" group or whatever they're called that has done most of the lobbying and pushing on this is suss as fuck, any time I have heard them speak to journalists or such their responses to questions are like that of politicians, and i really wonder if they are more concerned about gaining some position where they finacially benifit from distribution than with actually helping people. That and the way this is being set up where this will end up being way above the realistic financial abilities of most people seems to make this almost pointless and designed to fail. I think a far better approach for these and things like weed as a medical tool are just to decriminalise and remove the absurd scheduling first and then address them being used in a medical sense. It shouldn't be necessary to do it that way but the whole war on drugs thing has just made it all so absurd as it is now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonnySimulacrum Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Here a much better story - Changing Minds The remarkable story of a woman taking part in Australia's first psychedelic-assisted therapy trial. For Lindy Bok, it's a profound and deeply emotional experience as the treatment helps her confront anxiety around death. https://iview.abc.net.au/video/NC2302Q013S00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyzygy Posted February 10 Author Share Posted February 10 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/feb/11/a-raft-of-unanswered-questions-remain-as-australias-first-psychedelic-therapy-clinic-opens You've no idea how fucking furious I am at Mind Medicine Australia, the TGA, et al. In a SMH article today, the doctors are gloating that they've got the pure MDMA, the implication being, they're fine with ravers dying from impure ecstasy - "we've got the pure stuff, and we're not sharing" - there has to be some kind of organised revolt against the monopolisation of psychedelic experience. MMA has even roped in Gabor Mate as one of its course instructors, wallowing as they are in $15M of taxpayers' money, and laughing all the way to the bank. Absolutely fucking obscene. Edited February 11 by fyzygy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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