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On 06/02/2018 at 4:11 PM, Northerner said:

Homeopathy has been shown as effective as a placebo in every double blind independent study.  https://www.typologycentral.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno_shrug[1].gif

 

To add to this, any "study" that has shown that homeopathy is in any way effective has been unrepeatable.  ie:flawed or bogus

 

It's not that people aren't amazed that homeopathy actually works and can't figure out why, but more that it doesn't actually do anything in any scenario where evidence is recorded.

 

There is no mechanism to study, no result to correlate, nothing... just people telling people that it does something by a theory that is almost religious in nature.

 

There's not a conspiracy to hold it down for $$$'s, just a basic refutal of superstition.

 

By all means if that's your kick you can believe in whatever you like. But one should expect a less credulous response to these sorts of things in western society than 150 years ago.

   
   
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I don't want to upset or battle you @curaezipiridand honestly I didn't read all that....There no doubt your invested

 

I haven't pigeon holed you.... But you are helping.

 

I don't want you booted, but you better be prepared to defend your baseless claims. I'd love to point out the flaws, but it's gunna upset you further and I'm not tapping essays.

 

50%....

:lol:

 

I've got better things to do than addressing your misinfo, yes....

Yes it is....misinfo

 

Homeopathy is a sham.

 

Edit - and now I've done you the  the courtesy of reading your rant in full, you are delusional to think that link re Cuba has ANY merit.

 

 

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You don't need essays or arguments waterboy, it just comes down to it doesn't actually work under any replicable condition.

 

That is all.

 

No need to refute any claim to authority or logical fallacy.

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Seeing as this discussion thread seems to have devolved into a who's who of "Yes it is flat!", "No it isn't flat!", I thought I might lighten the mood with this picture I took out the front of my place...

 

One day I strangely found this in the front of my driveway and I can say without a doubt that it looks pretty damn flat to me. :lol:5a7f3737bee72_FlatEarth02-temp.thumb.jpg.3ccd64e7bf8e0703bdcafe48e6286c22.jpg5a7f363350b5f_FlatEarth01-temp.thumb.jpg.82fefdb35843b8dc64663f4b838f1798.jpg

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I suppose you might also be able to say parrallel or convergence is also relative.5a7f3c541d28b_Trainlinesconverging.thumb.jpg.c62a74a892f87ae4539cf2c3cfc9fd57.jpg

Before long you might even follow the train of logic to say everything is or at least could be relative.

Maybe the more pertinant question is relative to what or whom?

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I came across a few interesting finds in the last year or two researching this topic...

 

When you see the numerous photos and videos of the skyline of the city of Chicago visible across the massive distance of lake Michigan the bottom of the tallest buildings all seem to be hidden below the horizon line. The missing bottom of the buildings is often attempted to be explained through the calculations of supposedly accurate earth curvature measurements. I found it interesting when I realised that the same phenomenon of the bottoms of the buildings dissapearing can also be attempted to be explained from just simple 1 point perspective drawings of the vanishing point. This is similar to the phenomenon in the picture from my post above where it shows the parallel train tracks converge or the same height telegraph poles get smaller the further away.

 

I do have some hand drawn 1 point perpective drawings that might help to demonstrate what I'm talking about with the buildings. I just need to scan them and can probably upload tomorrow if there's interest.

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You don't need essays or arguments waterboy, it just comes down to it doesn't actually work under any replicable condition.

 

That is all.

 

No need to refute any claim to authority or logical fallacy.

 

This quote reminds me a little of the discussion I've heard surrounding the supposed constant "big G" from some parts of the physics community. I've heard interesting lectures to say that supposedly even after hard digging it is diffucult to find solid evidence for a fixed value for this supposed "gravitational constant". Although much of this goes over my head in terms of how they try to measure it (I was never very good at physics), I think I understand what they are getting at when they say there are major issues when it comes to replicable experiments for gravity and I think that maybe why it relates to a measurement issues. (Eg who commonly has a lab in their basement that is supposedly far enough away from the earth's "field" or "force" (that we call gravity) to test this "force" in terms of other objects that may or may not have their own "field" or "force" (that we also call gavity). Bottom like, it's kinda crazy and facinating for me to see physics experts give a lecture where they pretty much seem to destroy much of the basis for what we think of as the law of gravity and rather they seem to have almost reduced it to nothing more than a theory and possibly even a somewhat flimsy one at that.

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The law of gravity(newtons) is referring to "universality" rather than "gravitational constant".....

 

" constant " is used in attempts to  mathematically work with. It's an approximate..

 

Geophysics rather than theoretical is a good place to try to get some handle on gravity differences. Yep there are... And there is practical usage.

 

Just before that gets mashed up again.

 

 

 

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That's a sort of example trundles. I'm not up on mascons as such though other than they are identified significant gravity differences. My understanding is mascons are a different material (eg rock type) of a different density, with enough mass to have an influence on the moons gravity.

That's the theory until someone drills into them:wink:

 

They are some sort of geological structure, and geological structures can have influence on gravity,not always.

 

Gravity surveys are very common, at its most basic it's based on densities of materials (mass is involved, need enough mass to influence ) Resources and geohazards are often identified using geophysical methods,including gravity and it's identified differences.

 

Often mated with magnetics (metallic minerals) to give a better "picture" of what cannot be observed beneath one's feet.

 

I'm no physicist (thankfully:)) so that's pretty brutal.

 

Mining companies are flying and driving about conducting surveys to find and exploit resources continually as an example.

 

Constant in that form is jargon.... Not an "English"/dictionary sense, and where folk come unstuck and take it literal.

 

"fckn magnets, how do they work? " Insane Clown Posse

 

 

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I'm into terrestrial more than exoterra

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Thankfully we have understood magnetism and electricity (same thing) for a very long time.  Maxwell's equations provide a solid aporoximation.  

 

Where some argue we fail is in applying this to the wider universe (there are no significant electric currents in space).  Well that notion is coming unglued.  The oddest thing is that these ideas have developed in parallel to the dominant paradigm since the 1800s, especially in the last century (think plasma physicist hannes alfven), these papers are coming out slowly unglueing so many staple ideas which are SO STUBBORN.  its infuriating when you consider that the alternatives were written decades ago, in some cases by highly respected scientists.  Dark matter is the first to go.  Goodbye.  what will be the next imaginary astronomical object to undergo deletion or dramatic revision?  I think black holes as the supernova events that are supposed to create them are being shown to not have the desired result.

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I really enjoyed watching the movie documentary called "The Principle" Narrated by Kate Mulgrew (the actress who played Captain Janeway on Star Trek Voyager. It was a real eye opener in terms of explaining each of the common theoretical physics models we use today, the progression and history and helping me to knock down how solid I thought some of these various models were.

 

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Thankfully we have understood magnetism and electricity (same thing) for a very long time.

 

It's funny you say that because I thought it was the other way around! I'm only an amateur at best when it comes to physics but when I hear people like professor Julius Sumner Miller or Professor Laithwate talk it always facinates me as to how much we may probably don't know. It seems like the area is ripe for new discovery! :) (Laithwate invented the mag lift train technology and used to demonstrate how gyros counter act. Once of his experiments (that I believe pissed off the Royal Society) was were he would kind of counter act what we think of as "earth's gravity" by spinning up a heavy weight to high speed he was then able to easily lift it over his head. Before spinning it up it was way too heavy for him to lift over his head!).

 

Here's an example of Professor Julius Sumner Miller who starts out his lecture on magnitism with this quote:

"I'm Julius Sumner Miller & physics is my business and our very special business today, I have entitled 'Adventures in Magnetism!' This is a marvelous subject because it is filled with enchantment and with many things we do not understand."  

 

Here's the vid of Prof. Miller. Facinating experiments & stuff!

https://youtu.be/C4EWxTTGW0s?list=PLxA8_oP9TgCYILhcl1oXX6pAWQLffhUF1

 

Also if anyone can explain how magnetism bends the light out of a Ferrocell I'd love to hear your thoughts! I bought one of these for my birthday around a year ago and love showing people the different beautiful 3D geometric patterns of holographic light beams that come out of it with different shaped neodymium magnets next to it. Ken Wheeler has a few videos where he attempts to explain some of it but he says that how magnets work is supposedly beyond Maxwell Equasions, Faraday or Tesla's documents that we currently have. Is this true? His youtube name is Theoria Apophasis and you can find the vids if you just seach youtube for "Ken Wheeler Ferrocell".

 

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17 hours ago, ThunderIdeal said:

what will be the next imaginary astronomical object to undergo deletion

 

I vote for gravitational waves

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What do you guys think about the phenomenon of this earthshine or no earthshine issue from the solar eclipse last year in the USA?

 

I've seen some amateur telecsope photography from last year and there seems to be no earthshine in the dark part of the total solar eclipse (ie nothing but black). On the other hand space.com and various other NASA affiliated websites show the moon in the darkened part of a solar eclipse known as "earthshine". Has anyone run photo forensics to see how widespread there might be re-circulated photo shopped images claiming to be real?

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What if this is not the argument...flat-earth.thumb.jpg.64d7cbffe3dce635c3ddc10c7167c467.jpg and thisbothwrong.thumb.gif.86c205b426f3e5f3a3f8e2161f178558.gif is really the answer?

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On Sunday, 25 February 2018 at 11:09 AM, Inyan said:

What if this is not the argument...flat-earth.thumb.jpg.64d7cbffe3dce635c3ddc10c7167c467.jpg and thisbothwrong.thumb.gif.86c205b426f3e5f3a3f8e2161f178558.gif is really the answer?

It all just clicked, it all makes sense now, i am now woke x10

P.S. meteorites are fake

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11 hours ago, bardo said:

It all just clicked, it all makes sense now, i am now woke x10

P.S. meteorites are fake

Yeah, I mean it is obvious if you think about it. Earth was shaped to perfectly fit up god's bum. Meteorites would simply get in the way of the fun.

On 2/24/2018 at 7:09 PM, Inyan said:

What if this is not the argument...flat-earth.thumb.jpg.64d7cbffe3dce635c3ddc10c7167c467.jpg and thisbothwrong.thumb.gif.86c205b426f3e5f3a3f8e2161f178558.gif is really the answer?

 

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Cat Earth Theory: Are you woke?

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