2XB Posted February 23, 2015 This thread really turned into everything the op was against, didn't it! Haha :-) 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goneski Posted February 24, 2015 Antidepressants don't prevent depression, they CAN however be beneficial in managing it. That's very debatable... http://joannamoncrieff.com/2013/11/27/why-theres-no-such-thing-as-an-antidepressant/ http://joannamoncrieff.com/2014/07/02/continuing-the-antidepressant-debate-the-clinical-relevance-of-drug-placebo-differences/ http://joannamoncrieff.com/2014/05/01/the-chemical-imbalance-theory-of-depression-still-promoted-but-still-unfounded/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4118946/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3020050/pdf/bjgp61-047.pdf http://joannamoncrieff.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/cds0311.pdf http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0030240 David Healy is also worth looking at. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glaukus Posted February 24, 2015 Articles and papers are great, but when you've been close to someone on the brink, and medication saves their life, then there's really not much point in debating it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
incognito Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) That's why I said CAN. I was on the brink. I believe personally that they along with counselling and my family saved mine. Edited February 24, 2015 by incognito 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dionysus Posted February 24, 2015 man, i cant believe i didn't kick up a stink like this. what a wasted opportunity. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Idon'tstudydinosaurs Posted February 25, 2015 http://theconversation.com/throwing-science-at-anti-vaxxers-just-makes-them-more-hardline-37721 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goneski Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) Articles and papers are great, but when you've been close to someone on the brink, and medication saves their life, then there's really not much point in debating it. So, rather than look at evidence-based medicine, you prefer to just go off a few personal anecdotes? My story is quite the opposite if you're wanting to play that game. I've tried 7 different antidepressants across different classes, multiple psychiatrists, psychologists & counsellors and different brain-dead therapies -- yet feel more suicidal than ever. Go figure. The studies & evidence surrounding therapies such as CBT, DBT, ACT, etc are even more dubious than that of antidepressants (and other psychiatric medications such as antipsychotics). Paul Moloney has a great book out titled 'The Therapy Industry' covering this if anyone is interested. Edited February 26, 2015 by goneski Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glaukus Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) I didn't say "one size fits all", I said, not much point debating. Edited February 26, 2015 by Glaukus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goneski Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) I didn't say "one size fits all", I said, not much point debating. I never said 'one size fits all' either. You provided a personal anecdote, then somehow jumped to the conclusion that there was no point debating. Why is that? Is it because that one anecdote trumps all discussion and debate surrounding antidepressants? Edited February 26, 2015 by goneski Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glaukus Posted February 26, 2015 I said no point in debating, because I'm not interested in debating. Yet here I am...this thread seems to make people cranky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Roopey Posted February 26, 2015 It makes me giggle about how stupid everyone is. HAHAHALOLOLOLHAHAA! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zen Peddler Posted February 27, 2015 This op is bullshit. The problem with quoting any medical research of any kind is that it only ever applies to the cohort examined within the parameters and variables of the study. people generally run in opinion bias and then look for studies that back that up. but in truth no position or contention is a sacred cow; all can be deconstructed with new and better research. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zen Peddler Posted February 27, 2015 The truth is - there is no truth bar what you find applies you AND even then it should always be applied with a heavy dose of doubt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goneski Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) I posted this elsewhere, but it seems relevant to this thread: Ignore the sensationalistic title -- it's actually a very good talk & applicable to Western medicine as a whole. Also keep in mind I consider myself a reductionist & materialist.. But I don't follow this whole ridiculous false dichotomy of science versus whatever else seems to be lumped together nowadays (including genuine skepticism, unfortunately). I welcome any well reasoned (and well seasoned..mmm) skepticism. The way that people seem to just pick sides and play silly games of tug-of-war really just detracts from the conversation and stifles any genuine debate. Edited February 27, 2015 by goneski Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foo Posted February 28, 2015 Wow, i didnt realize just how many superior beings we have here at SAB. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goneski Posted February 28, 2015 No, I just refuse to get dragged into yet another derpy shit-flinging match. I'm out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiscoStu Posted February 28, 2015 Wow, i didnt realize just how many superior beings we have here at SAB. yes there's quite a few of us actually 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Change Posted February 28, 2015 Its a shame to loose you Goneski Your contributions are always of the highest level of superiority pseudoscience noun a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method. scientific method noun a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
