The colored San Pedro Flower Project

[kizatzhaddarak]

Thanks for the warm welcomes. I will be placing my winter/ early spring seed order soon... So, I thought I would see about getting some extra seed this time for trades. WHen I published my trade list a while ago, I didn't realize so many people wanted cactus-seed..so, I'll be getting a bunch more. I will do my best to get some columnears and some Low-height (echins/lobivs), too. My tallest Pachanoi, is out in the greenhouse right now, along with Some Callianthus (yellow), and Some red Huaschas. I am keeping a carefull eye on them over winter here in the northern hemisphere. I am hoping to weather harden them, and maybe see if they naturally will come into bloom this upcoming spring. (keeps fingers crossed).

[mysubtleascention]

Here's the colourful part of 2015 Sacred Succulents hybrid seeds list ..

Trichocereus andalgalensis X Trichocereus grandiflorus v. crassicaulis

A beauty that has the traits of both parents, round balls with golden yellow spines, the flowers are a shocking orange.

Trichocereus andalgalensis X Trichocereus ‘Peppermint Dreams’

Trichocereus andalgalensis X Trichocereus ‘Ruby Visions’

Trichocereus bruchii X Trichocereus ‘Dusty Rose’

Trichocereus grandiflorus X Trichocereus orurensis

Trichocereus grandiflorus v. crassicaulis X Trichocereus andalgalensis

Trichocereus grandiflorus X Trichocereus ‘Peppermint Dreams’

Trichocereus lobivioides X Trichocereus orurensis

Trichocereus purpureominiata X Trichocereus ‘Peppermint Dreams’

Dwarf, red flowered T. purpureominiata crossed with pink/white flowered. ‘Peppermint Dreams’

Trichocereus shaferi X Trichocereus purpureominiata T. shaferi – a white flowered Argentina native to 2' tall, crossed with T. purpureominiata.

Trichocereus shaferi DJF 295 X Trichocereus orurensis Large form of T. shaferi to 4', wedded to purple flowered T. orurensis.

Trichocereus shaferi X Trichocereus ‘Peppermint Dreams’

Trichocereus smrzianus X Trichocereus andalgalensis T. smrzianus–white flowered native to Argentina, wed to the golden T. andalgalensis.

Trichocerues smrzianus X Trichocereus ‘Ruby Visions’

Trichocereus ‘Curly Red’ X Trichocereus candicans

T. ‘Curly Red’– unusual red-orange flowers whose petals curl inward. Bred to T. candicans–Argentina, fat stems, scented white flowers with red sepals.

Trichocereus ‘Daemonomania’ X Trichocereus ‘Dusty Rose’

T. ‘Daemonomania’– a T. bruchii hybrid, named after John Crowley’s wondrously potent novel, which in some ways evokes this impressive cactus.

Clustering 6” diameter stems to 3’+ tall covered in tortuos yellow spines to 2.5". Brilliant orange flowers and delicious fruit. Crossed with ‘Dusty

Rose’– a multiple hybrid with pale rose-orange colored flowers.

Trichocereus ‘Daemonomania’ X Trichocereus ‘Magenta Starlight’

Trichocereus ‘Dusty Rose’ X Trichocereus bruchii

Trichocereus ‘Glorious’ X Trichocereus ‘Ruby Visions’

Trichocereus ‘Pale Rose’ X Trichocereus ‘Spiny Yellow’

T. ‘Pale Rose’– hybrid, light rose flowers. Impregnated by ‘Spiny Yellow’– a clumping hybrid with 1"+ gray brown spines and large golden yellow flowers.

Trichocereus ‘Pink Sunset’ X Trichocereus ‘Curly Red’

Trichocereus ‘Ruby Visions’ X Trichocereus bruchii T. ‘Ruby Visions’ – a hybrid with deep purple flowers. Mated with T. bruchii.

Trichocereus ‘Ruby Visions’ X Trichocereus ‘Daemonomania’

Trichocereus sp. SS04 X Trichocereus bruchii SS04 is a peruvianoid close to T. chalaensis, crossed with the barrel cactus T. bruchii.

Trichocereus ‘Voluptuous’ X Trichocereus huascha v. macranthus

Trichocereus ‘Voluptuous’– multiple hybrid with fantastic large flowers; several shades of pink. Mated with the yellow flowered T. huascha v. macranthus.

[RogerColgreen]

Excellent find, EG! Please put me on this list for T. tulhuayecensis seeds!

---Roger

[djmattz0r]

Keen on tulhuayacensis seeds as well.

My tulhuaya X bridgesii seedlings from SS are coming along nicely, one already has a basal pup so maybe a few years and will be able to see a flower for color check.

[modern.shaman]

Evil genius, I saw you mention that you'd recommend using the colored flower as the father but was wondering if it is possible to breed in activity to those trichocereus hybrids. I'm aware that mother's are commonly the dominant parent for traits. I'd like peoples opinion on this.

I've got a few hybrid colored flowers that should bloom this year and was hoping to get some pc pedro or any other pollen to cross. First cross not important so long as some of the bodies have reduced rib count and are more pedro like. Following crosses can be more traditional san pedros. Picking out seedlings should be easier then colored flowers as fathers.

Not the goal here but I'd prefer a quicker flowering active semi-columnar rather than a traditional san pedro with color, due to time and size issue. A short pedro body (low rib count unlike grandiflorus) with colored flowers is my goal.

[Evil Genius]

Hey modern.shaman, I appreciate your interest in the project. Yes, the colored flower pollen should be used as a father because it increases the chance to get a plant that´s similar to the mother. The mothers are always oftenly more dominant and the chances to get a colored flower on a San Pedro are a lot higher if you use the San Pedros as mother. You can also try the reverse cross because they sometimes produce cool F1 hybrids too. Tr. terscheckii is known to be a great and very dominant father btw. Most hybrids with Terscheckii as father look totally freaky.

Apart from that, I can´t really comment on the part about activity as that´s a.) not my field and b.) not allowed here. bye EG

Edited February 23, 2016 by Evil Genius

[modern.shaman]

Didn't think that was against the rules since not about potency, my bad. Read that in other plants that trait could be bred out so I guess in can also be done.

Thanks for that info about t. terscheckii being a dominate father. If I am able to get that pollen I'll try it. Idk if my small pc pedro cutting will flower before/in sync but shouldn't be too hard to get pc pollen from someone else.

One more question... ('san pedro' x color flower) would not likely flower as early/small as other trichocereus hybrids with colored flowers right; Due to pedro being dominant it would need to be a few feet in size before flowering?

Edited February 23, 2016 by modern.shaman

[RogerColgreen]

Just stock-piling some info here that might be of interest to other breeders.

In harmony with my previous post on "camouflage," as far as the world knows, these are the aims of my breeding program:

Tall-growing;

Large, colorful flowers, moving into 2 and 3 colors;

Minimal spines.

TO THAT END, I'm posting some pictures of useful genetic material:

I) Tr. 'Pluto' (Wessner)

http://echinopsis.eu/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pid=535#top_display_media

This plant is remarkable for having most of what I want.

It's tall-growing, has very short little spines, and a stunning flower, red with purple edge.

II) Echinopsis subdenudata, including well-known clones 'Fuzzy Navel' and 'Domino'

This has the kind of child-friendly spinelessness I want.

This splendidly didactic photo contrasts the common E. subdenudata with E. subdenudata 'Fuzzy Navel.'

III) Lovibia winteriana/wrightiana Lots of small pink flowers, and (at least on the clone I have) spines that are all nicely recurved, presenting a very nice surface to the hand. Handleable. This large-flowered clone is sold by Miles2Go cactus nursery.

Thanks, and sorry for hijacking the thread a bit.

---RogerColgreen

[zelly]

On 5/3/2014 at 5:05 AM, M S Smith said:

Is the focus to use clumping Echinopsis such as "Grandiflorus" and the Schick Hybrids and cross them with the columnars that have been our general focus with the goal of creating fully columnar Trichocereus with colored flowers, or are you not worried about outward form and only with flower color variation? I would love a project that breed colored flowers into T. pachanoi, peruvianus, bridgesii, etc., but looked to retain the fully columnar form with low rib number and minimal spination.

~Michael~

Sadly, Michael no longer appears to be with us, but I believe I'm well on the way to producing the colored flowers for all of the columnar's  he mentioned; pachanoi, peruvianus, bridgesii etc

 

In 2014 I cross bred spineless scopulicola with a variegated cherry red grandiflorus.  The resulting seedlings have manifested in two vegetative forms.  The dominant form has 6-8 ribs and closely spaced aeroles with spination that closely resembles grandiflorus.  The plant appears to clump freely and flowers at an early age of 2.5 years from seed, on their own roots and with a wide range of flower coloration.  This dominant form accounts for 99.5% of all seedlings.  Since the pollen donor was variegated, numerous variegated seedlings have resulted; many of which won't survive unless grafted.  The other vegetative form is also 6-8 ribs and similar aerole spination with wider spaced aerole's. I'm still waiting on flowers for this form.

 

Around the same time I also crossed variegated cherry red grandi pollen with SS02xSS01 as well as with the plant that's labeled validus. The SS02xSS01 seedlings also appear to have formed two distinct vegetative forms.  The more dominant form has 7-9 ribs and appears 'shorter'; the less dominant form has 5-7 ribs and much greater aerole spacing.  The less dominant form appears to grow taller, although at just over a year & a half of growth on their own roots they are still to young to fully determine their true growth characteristics.  I only have a few seedlings of validus x vrg and thus only one form is visible.  These seedlings are also fairly small.  Only time will tell if these F1 hybrids continue growing to their full columnar height.

 

I currently have 16 F2 developing fruits on 7 F1 'The Zelly' hybrids, with numerous buds yet to flower on these and other 'The Zelly' plants.

 

The flowers themselves and their range of color on the F1 hybrids is just absolutely stunning.  The last pic also includes the cherry red pollen donor for the F1 hybrids.

 

[Kykeion]

Wow Z! Thanks for sharing this!  I saw where some of these we added to your website, but I appreciate hearing more about how you developed them.  I am stunned by the color variation all coming from that cherry red grandi!

[kizatzhaddarak]

Those hybrids are stunning. I just enjoyed my Trich.-grandiflorus  blooming.

 

I am still waiting for my Pachanois and Peruvians to make blossoms. I have a question for more experienced growers and hybridizers. Have you had any success with saving pollen and putting it in the freezer, in a wax paper envelope, and then in plastic for later use to hybridize, when flowers are not open at the same time.??  I am curious.

 

Ps. If you all have hybrid seed, I am willing to (test grow). Let me know.

 

Miss K.

[Micromegas]

hey zelly out of all those seedlings you grew up since 2014, scop x grandi, what proportion of them had coloured flowers, did most, or only a few?

 

the body looks as you would expect! but the flowers are really stunning.

[zelly]

micromegas- every scop x grandi seedling plant has a different colored flower.  currently I have 7 that have flowered, each one different......

 

Plus, i gave 1 to Lee, one to Eddie & 1 to George....each of theirs bloomed a different colored flower.....Michelle won one i auctioned on egay, hers was a different colored flower......Jeremy grew some from seed, his first to bloom was also a different colored flower... So 12 have flowered that I know of & I've 3 more seedlings with buds.....  12 for 12 is 100% colored flowers......

 

see this link for high res pics on all known to date     http://misplant.net/Zellys.html

 

F2 fruits are ripening now.......      

 

Here's one of a dozen or so......

 

As for storing pollen I place mine in small zip lock baggies on the top shelf of my refrigerator where they maintain a crisp 37F.  Its good for around 7 months, which is all i need.

[Micromegas]

wow, interesting. they are all on the spectrum of pink-orange (sunburst, lol) that one would expect when mixing deep red with white, but the strike rate is amazing and so are the colo(u)rs and clearly a good cross to grow out. what it makes we wonder is where does the yellow schick come from? anyway they look great as a group planted together with their slightly different variations. well done.

 

the F2 would have more a chance of reverting back to white yeah?

[Inyan]

I like hearing that Zelly hybrids are giving off 100% colored flowers as these are my Zelly hybrids I'll be waiting on for a good bit. (SS02 x SS01 mom)  x (Red Grandiflorus dad). I've been reading that some of these flower within 2 years? If that is true I hope to speed that up just a little bit with those I've grafted. I have noted this particular cross has a tendency to throw out albino and variegated babies in very high numbers so perhaps some nice variegated cacti with colorful flowers will  be the end result.

 

[zelly]

On 8/26/2017 at 9:26 AM, Inyan said:

I have noted this particular cross has a tendency to throw out albino and variegated babies in very high numbers

unsurprising, considering the pollen donor is variegated.......

 

of those that I've grown out, LJ x vrg & validus x vrg also produce lots of variegates..........

[Inyan]

1 hour ago, zelly said:

unsurprising, considering the pollen donor is variegated.......

 

of those that I've grown out, LJ x vrg & validus x vrg also produce lots of variegates..........

 

 It was simply labeled SS02 x SS01 x Red Grandiflorus. I had no idea that it was variegated. A nice surprise indeed for someone like me who did not realize it had a variegated parent. Many thanks for producing these fine wonders @zellyTo say I'm excited and honored to be growing some of your seeds would be an understatement @Zelly.

 

Edited September 27, 2017 by Inyan

[Pedropark]

LJ x VRG grows slow so far...maybe its the peres, that doesnt push enough. This one started yellow, stopped growing and formed a new green pup. 

[Pedropark]

More Lj x TPM on peres. Slow growth, areoles close together. One has 10 ribs so far.

[Jackdaripper]

I fell in love with this thread before i read a single word. And then i read a bit of it and my mind was blown!!!!!! Im so happy right now, Been trying to find info on my tulhuaycaensis for a long long time. The spelling on the cut was sun faded so i never spelled it correct. 

[Jackdaripper]

Shes rough around the edges currently. When she comes out of dormancy its spination is magical. Dropping it in a 5 gallon today so its ready for spring!

[Inyan]

Trichocereus peruvianus "Clyde" x Zelly . This little baby appears to be the only one out of the batch of seedlings to appear with this particular phenotype. Hoping it sticks. It may very well make for an interesting colored flower one day when she grows up a bit more.  

[mysubtleascention]

 

 

 

 

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[Pedropark]

First flower of Eliana this year. More to come. 20 buds or so, are waiting.

Edited June 27, 2018 by Pedropark

[Pedropark]

Yesterday I got this truckload of different sp., candicans, lobivias, lamprochlorus, shaferii and a lot of colored flower hybrids from a grower. All are going in the ground in our park. 

This is a big step for future projects. Many Motherplants of those were brought from Helmut Fechser from Argentina/SA to germany.