tyler83durden Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) spare seeds anyone? Edited May 28, 2009 by tyler83durden Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hebrew Posted May 28, 2009 good one at incriminating yourself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neoshaman Posted May 28, 2009 Man edit your post before you attract unwanted attention from the Mods or other lurking nasties self incrimination is not looked on kindly in these forums n i'm pretty sure no one would admit to owning anything of that nature either way hang arouund get involved attend a few meets you may be surprised what you come across , however drawing unwanted attention to these forums should be avoided where possible considering the authorities already take an interest in them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted May 28, 2009 (edited) already been said. Edited May 29, 2009 by Hunab Ku Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted May 28, 2009 dont quote peoples incriminations! t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rogdog Posted May 29, 2009 wait wut? ya wanted crack seed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auxin Posted May 29, 2009 You cant grow a pizza tree, man. Pizza is taxed so thats be tax evasion! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neoshaman Posted May 29, 2009 What kinda seeds?Pepsi seeds? JUST asking... just asking... Are all species of... um... "Pepsi" illegal in Oz? yes even the native variety thats grows in northern nsw,pfffft fuckin stupid government n ridiculous laws that waste tax payers funds all plants should be legal for personal use what the fuck do they think we are going to grow a plant or two n try n take on the mafias supply chain , the whole concept is fucking ridiculous instead of having a plant in my back yard i can pick a few leaves n make a quid from these wankers that run our country would much prefer i go and fork out a few hundred n fund the activities of some vile underworld fckwit that provides zero benefit to society End rant LMAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyler83durden Posted May 30, 2009 yes even the native variety thats grows in northern nsw,pfffft fuckin stupid government n ridiculous laws that waste tax payers funds all plants should be legal for personal use what the fuck do they think we are going to grow a plant or two n try n take on the mafias supply chain , the whole concept is fucking ridiculous instead of having a plant in my back yard i can pick a few leaves n make a quid from these wankers that run our country would much prefer i go and fork out a few hundred n fund the activities of some vile underworld fckwit that provides zero benefit to society End rant LMAO Yeah what he said oh and also: Maybe they should just hook us up wit another cash handout so we can purchase seeds of all colours and forms from each other on a ATO un-recognized transaction, essentially minutely stimulating our own economy, resulting in a cascading catalytic waterfall flood of unauthorized cash deals and in all its true motion would then infact create the beginning of a democratic downfall and hence abolishing all recession fears and providing a no-holds-barred-society of unlawful vagabonds suckling from each others teat’s in the most glorious of ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark80 Posted May 30, 2009 yes even the native variety thats grows in northern nsw,pfffft fuckin stupid government n ridiculous laws that waste tax payers funds all plants should be legal for personal use what the fuck do they think we are going to grow a plant or two n try n take on the mafias supply chain , the whole concept is fucking ridiculous instead of having a plant in my back yard i can pick a few leaves n make a quid from these wankers that run our country would much prefer i go and fork out a few hundred n fund the activities of some vile underworld fckwit that provides zero benefit to society End rant LMAO the only problem with that is if you made it legal those farms would in fact pop up and i am sur eyou would see a dramtic increase in pepsi (man thats fuinny) availabity. Not sure if austrlian pepsi has ever come form austrlian sources? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teotzlcoatl Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) You REALLY think if they made it legal people would try to farm it and extract the... "Pepsi"?! I mean come on... that seems like a huge project! An Australian Pepsi farm? I personally think ALL plants should be legal for cultivation in landscaping! Edited May 30, 2009 by Teotz' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark80 Posted May 30, 2009 You REALLY think if they made it legal people would try to farm it and extract the... "Pepsi"?!I mean come on... that seems like a huge project! An Australian Pepsi farm? I personally think ALL plants should be legal for cultivation in landscaping! YES YES I do. Its really not that huge. considering the large scale cannabis farms and seeing as though pepsi fetches a much higher price and grows much shiter soils its probably a viable crop. Caus ei take it your arugument is make the plant legal amke the pepsi illegal osrta thing right? look at this way. people who don't have aceess to a poke machine are less likily to abuse it. becuas the biggest factor in gambling is availbility. now if there is poke machines everywhere some people will use it responsbily but others won't. I would say it would be amtter of fact if the plant is legal than abuse of these drugs will sky rocket. simple supply and demand. it will becmae cheaper more people will try it and the addiction begins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted May 30, 2009 "yes even the native variety thats grows in northern nsw," Not quite that simple, Only Erythoxylum coca is federaly scheduled. Yes Ertyhoxylum/Erythoxylon genus are covered under NSW state legislation & ACT, under SA they get a bit more vague "any plant of the genus Erythroxylum P. Browne) from which cocaine can be extracted either directly or by chemical transformation, including Erythroxylum coca Lam and Erythroxylum nova-granatense" http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/lz/c/r/co...2000.199.un.pdf Victoria only state "Erythroxylum coca Lam Erythroxylum nova-granatense" http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/Domino/W...81-9719a065.pdf So in vic its perfectly legal to grow E. australe Point being check your state laws for just what is legal or not legal for you to grow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teotzlcoatl Posted May 30, 2009 Caus ei take it your arugument is make the plant legal amke the pepsi illegal osrta thing right? Yup. You could grow the plant but not produce cocaine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tyler83durden Posted May 31, 2009 So technically my original thread was not that incriminating at all? Being the fact that if one was so inclined to search for some coca seeds (pm me) within VIC this would be rather acceptable considering that they are legal to grow? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruman Posted May 31, 2009 (edited) "So technically my original thread was not that incriminating at all?" Yes mate it was. "considering that they are legal to grow?" No coca certainly is not legal in any way in victoria or the rest of australia. Why do'nt you take a little more time to read what I said & let it digest a little? "Not quite that simple, Only Erythoxylum coca is federaly scheduled. Yes Ertyhoxylum/Erythoxylon genus are covered under NSW state legislation & ACT, under SA they get a bit more vague "any plant of the genus Erythroxylum P. Browne) from which cocaine can be extracted either directly or by chemical transformation, including Erythroxylum coca Lam and Erythroxylum nova-granatense" http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/lz/c/r/co...2000.199.un.pdf Victoria only state "Erythroxylum coca Lam Erythroxylum nova-granatense" http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/Domino/W...81-9719a065.pdf So in vic its perfectly legal to grow E. australe Point being check your state laws for just what is legal or not legal for you to grow." Edited May 31, 2009 by shruman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the germinator Posted May 31, 2009 I mean come on... that seems like a huge project! An Australian Pepsi farm? LOL the Dutch did it yonks ago, a good % of the worlds legit market usta' come from FNQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neoshaman Posted June 1, 2009 Oh thats intresting Shruman I believe the roots have quite intreesting properties Yeah I'm actually in NSW hencwe my mistaken assumption Tyler your post was iuincriminating due to your reference to a certain other seed also you mentioned no to mention you said importing ... why would one need to import an Australian native strain ?as this is the only one that is technically not illegal I do and I don't agree with you mark , I think initially we would see some spike in use there's always a part of society that likes to dive head first in to new fashionable trends however I have a pretty darwinistic view of these circumstance those who have a lack of self control and will power fall victim to drug abuse well so what how beneficial were they in the first place if this is the degree of will for self perservation that they show those that are stupid enough to take more cocaine simply cause more is avaialable diserve every ill health effect that comes with personally i would never have any more interest then making the occasional quid I once saw a documerntary about how cocaine was manufactured and its a very nasty process that involves chemnicals I would certainly think twice about b4 putting trace elements of into my body i mean i feel this way about most chemicals but i think knowing several people who have had there sinus passages eaten by the stuff is a major decision factor Basically what it comes down to is i'm sick of suffering stupid laws made to protect stupid fucking people from themselves honestly make the penalties so fucking servere for manufacturer or possession that people are scared shitless to do and at least decriminalise small quanities like 1 or two plants 1 or two plants is certainly not enough to make ones own coke lab n i can't see anyone who grows 1 or 2 plants going out and wasting the time to make small personal amounts of coke especially from what i've seen of the process cocaine cooks have a rather short life expectancy i hear due to the way its made Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark80 Posted June 1, 2009 I do and I don't agree with you mark , I think initially we would see some spike in use there's always a part of society that likes to dive head first in to new fashionable trends however I have a pretty darwinistic view of these circumstance those who have a lack of self control and will power fall victim to drug abuse well so what how beneficial were they in the first place if this is the degree of will for self perservation that they show Its a matter of making the perscuror of an illegal drug --> legal. I am sure if people could go out and by pure ephedrine, red p and I2 than meth would be a much bigger tyhing than it is. the problem with also is that it is physiolo9gically addictive. So the teenage years spent experiemnting with alchocl will be replaced with an addiction. alchcol is addictive but is not nearly as addictive as cocaine. those that are stupid enough to take more cocaine simply cause more is avaialable diserve every ill health effect that comes with personally i would never have any more interest then making the occasional quid I once saw a documerntary about how cocaine was manufactured and its a very nasty process that involves chemnicals I would certainly think twice about b4 putting trace elements of into my body i mean i feel this way about most chemicals but i think knowing several people who have had there sinus passages eaten by the stuff is a major decision factor Your right those that abuse drugs deserve every ill helath but the problem wityh that is you and i have to pay for it and feel the ill efefcts. Such longer waiting times for surgery, higher tax's etc. The thing about chemicals is that many people would give a shit about after all they put drugs like xtc in there bodys. or meth. which are made with rather nasty chemcials. The cocaine itself is rather nasty as well as thsoe chemcials don't the sinuses the cocaine it slef does as coaine is a potent vasoconstractor and after porlonged use cuases necrsis of the nasal cavity. Thats why it used in nose surgery to prvent excessive bleeding. Basically what it comes down to is i'm sick of suffering stupid laws made to protect stupid fucking people from themselves honestly make the penalties so fucking servere for manufacturer or possession that people are scared shitless to do and at least decriminalise small quanities like 1 or two plants 1 or two plants is certainly not enough to make ones own coke lab n i can't see anyone who grows 1 or 2 plants going out and wasting the time to make small personal amounts of coke especially from what i've seen of the process cocaine cooks have a rather short life expectancy i hear due to the way its made Sometimes you need to prtect people from themsleves. cociane is easily amde its pretty kcuh a smiple acid base extarction with an oxdiation step (iirc). Its not hard to at least produce crude cocaine. Sure decriminialsition may work like it did with cannabis (which i think is still a decent system). the thing is many people won't stop at one or two and will produce mass amounts. this is ebcause the cocoaine plants will be mcuh more easily availbe becuas ethey are decrimnlaised. Still perhaps a viable idea but one that i doubt will ever happen. I think the resbonsible use of quids is a great idea but one that is out wieghe dby the potentail addictive sequlea of coaine abuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neoshaman Posted June 1, 2009 Very good points Mark , in my opinion those with self inflicted problems should automatically be placed at the end of waiting list and also not recieve medicare benefits to save them from there iown stupidity in my younger days I damaged the hell out my teeth due to stupid overuse of MDM? now I don't expect to recieve any tax payer funded free denistry in fact I'm more then happy to pay the several thousand dollars to get my teeth back to the way they should be my stupidity hence it should be my responsibility to fix the problems i caused myself I'm very much of the opinion that the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for mine or anyone elses lack of will and idiocy I understand your points as in many cases society does foot the bill for such actions but I really disagree with the two concepts 1. Restrictions need to be placed on plants to prevent peoples stupid actions 2. Society must foot the bill for others weaknesses , evolution is survival of the fittest in my opinion and those that can not break their own weakness in order to be a productive part society should simply perish and not burden the rest of us with their problems this probably sounds harsh but society would be far more productive and have far less problems if this was the case Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark80 Posted June 1, 2009 1. Restrictions need to be placed on plants to prevent peoples stupid actions 2. Society must foot the bill for others weaknesses , evolution is survival of the fittest in my opinion and those that can not break their own weakness in order to be a productive part society should simply perish and not burden the rest of us with their problems this probably sounds harsh but society would be far more productive and have far less problems if this was the case I saee your point but still disagree slightly with your opinoin for the following reasons. 1) I strongly agree with seat belts as they do save lives. Its a law designed to prveent people form doing stupid things that really only efefct them. Weel i sued to think. It would be nice to live a egocentric kinda world. But we don't our actions hurt others looking at gambling again it estimated that for every problem gambler 10 people are affected. If we look drug addicts not only do they hurt themslevs but tehy hurt others like family spouses and children. they cause crime to pay for fixes etc. its rather simple game theory (or group theory or something>?) for society to function as whole individulas must do whats best for the themsleevs and for the group. Now i nor i guess you would be comfratble with saying your dad is coke addict so you can't get help becuase he punched your teeth in during a argument over his drug money. the rippling effect hurt society as a whole. And they through no fault of there own get hurt and thus society should help. I am saying taht these restrictions help society even if they dis empower ceratin individuals (mainly those that would use responsibly) but many people (llok at alschoclics) have certain addictive behaviours that will in almost ceratinty result in a even stronger addiction to what will most likely still be exuberatntly expensive drug (after all its still illegal) these laws do go to far, for instance i think cannabis is realtvily safe and non addictive (phsyiologically) so is kava and peyote. But for more instances drugs such cocaine (were lethality of overdose is real possibilty) and super addictivness are things that make it unvaibale. sure tahts quite not the argument but i am sure you will see an almost instant spike in cocaine if coke plants are legal. Its a shame that a plant is illegal because of the almost certain deterimental effects of its sequla. 2/ i think your kinda fence sitting. Society shouldn't pay for drug fucked people becuase its there own fault. what about if a someone went on boat in stromy weather does he not deserve to be rescued freely? after all he went out and its his fault. Sure i don't agree that we should eb forking out for people who smoke themsleves to lung cancer but i do agree that if my mate drinks to mcuh and needs his stomach pumped society should pay for it. Its kinda the beuty of socialism you take the good with bad, and help your brother out. because i would like to think that if i stack my motorcycle doing a dnagerous trun in wet weather too fast that i would not expect to pay have my feet stcihed back on or pay to have the drughs even though it was my own fault. i see your point society shouldn't have to pay for people stupid actions but than we kinda live in third world country were if you don't have money youc an rot on the sterrets. Also a darwinian apporach to life is good for population dynamics but socialistically its quirte poor. i don't look at cancer pateint with a brca1 mutation and go "mate you should die, your genes are un fit to procreate". yet again its socialism at its finest. I am sure if you or a loved one got sick say with gene mutation to predisopse you to cnacer, you wouldn't say sorry hun, darwinina evolution. your time is up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neoshaman Posted June 1, 2009 (edited) 1) I strongly agree with seat belts as they do save lives. Its a law designed to prveent people form doing stupid things that really only efefct them. Weel i sued to think. It would be nice to live a egocentric kinda world. But we don't our actions hurt others looking at gambling again it estimated that for every problem gambler 10 people are affected. If we look drug addicts not only do they hurt themslevs but tehy hurt others like family spouses and children. they cause crime to pay for fixes etc. its rather simple game theory (or group theory or something>?) for society to function as whole individulas must do whats best for the themsleevs and for the group. Now i nor i guess you would be comfratble with saying your dad is coke addict so you can't get help becuase he punched your teeth in during a argument over his drug money. the rippling effect hurt society as a whole. And they through no fault of there own get hurt and thus society should help. I agree with seat belts too I also think those stupid enough not to wear them get what they deserve i mean how much mental capacity does it take to realise something that stops you being hurled through a windscreen is a good thing , I think you've really missed my point here as i said nothing about depriving people of sufficient care due to their parent/spouse being addicted I said self inflicted issue such as those that come about from drug abuse should be footed by the individual not society this does not mean the person should be deprived of all treatment and certainly doesn't have any bearing on whether their family recieves treatment I am saying taht these restrictions help society even if they dis empower ceratin individuals (mainly those that would use responsibly) but many people (llok at alschoclics) have certain addictive behaviours that will in almost ceratinty result in a even stronger addiction to what will most likely still be exuberatntly expensive drug (after all its still illegal) I'm saying society does not need such restrictions i think it comes down to the wehole if it legal more people will use it arguement which has been so discredited I'm surprised anyone still uses it to say more people will become addicted is simply theoretical nonsense in my opinion there is no study that shows a co-relation between legalisation of plant precursors and end use chemical addiction if coke became so widely available also lets take economics into account and realise the price would fall dramatically illeaglity pushes price up but coke iasn't so exp[ensive just cause its illegal its also currently a shitload rarer then the majority of black market drugs these laws do go to far, for instance i think cannabis is realtvily safe and non addictive (phsyiologically) so is kava and peyote. But for more instances drugs such cocaine (were lethality of overdose is real possibilty) and super addictivness are things that make it unvaibale. But use of the actual plant is safer then peyote so why not just restrict the processing of the plant even further why restrict the plant in its natural form my arguement being i can legally grow sida , peyote , yellow horned poppy , arygeia or ipomea all which drugs can be created from all of which are not beneficial to all members of society any of these4 plants processed can cause a vast amount of problems for various groups or people in society but in plant form its fairly harmless when used in moderation its ridiculous i can grow plants that have epherdrine, psedueo ephedrine , glaucine , it still legal to grow caapi but prioocessing it in order to obtain beta-carbolines is highly illegal but they still let you grow caapi sure tahts quite not the argument but i am sure you will see an almost instant spike in cocaine if coke plants are legal. Its a shame that a plant is illegal because of the almost certain deterimental effects of its sequla. 2/ i think your kinda fence sitting. Society shouldn't pay for drug fucked people becuase its there own fault. what about if a someone went on boat in stromy weather does he not deserve to be rescued freely? after all he went out and its his fault. Sure i don't agree that we should eb forking out for people who smoke themsleves to lung cancer but i do agree that if my mate drinks to mcuh and needs his stomach pumped society should pay for it. no trust me i have a very strong belief in survival of the fittest n most times i discuss it i tend to upset someone as my opinion is the idiot in the boat should drown and the guy shouldn't have his stomach pumped unless he or his family can pay for it that seems harsh doesn't it , well i think whats harsh is that people who are genuinely sick are made wait cause some fuckwit can't stay in control of the volume of alcohol they drink Its kinda the beuty of socialism you take the good with bad, and help your brother out. because i would like to think that if i stack my motorcycle doing a dnagerous trun in wet weather too fast that i would not expect to pay have my feet stcihed back on or pay to have the drughs even though it was my own fault. i see your point society shouldn't have to pay for people stupid actions but than we kinda live in third world country were if you don't have money youc an rot on the sterrets.Also a darwinian apporach to life is good for population dynamics but socialistically its quirte poor. i don't look at cancer pateint with a brca1 mutation and go "mate you should die, your genes are un fit to procreate". yet again its socialism at its finest. I am sure if you or a loved one got sick say with gene mutation to predisopse you to cnacer, you wouldn't say sorry hun, darwinina evolution. your time is up. Once again if your responsible for your actions there is no reason for society to be burdened if you slowed the hell down and eased into the conner and you still came off i say fair enough have your free medical treatment but if it was a result of driving to fast and hitting the conner too hard I kinda resent having to be burdened withg that I don't look at a cancer patient and say you should die I believe if medical science has found a cure for a disease the person should be cured but in saying that i also believe anyone with a genetic deformity should be sterilised the key word here is genetic hence bad genes should not be allowed to pass to the new generation if i was ever diagnosed with such a condition i would be more then happy to not have children and spread my deformed genes even further through the human race as I asid my views on this matter seem rather harsh to most people but in all honesty people who think they should be allowed to have children etc. where they have the potential to pass on a defective gene are just plain fucking selfish (unless it can be guarnteed through IVF technique the defective gene will not be passed ) I should also point out in regard to organ transplant the ideas i have put forward are alraedy followed by the medical profession where those more likely to benefit and those without self inflicted issues are given far higher priority in relation to who recieves donated organs P>S maybe someone wants to move this thread it seems to be getting quite away from the whole seed and plant exchange concept Edited June 1, 2009 by neoshaman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mauve Posted June 1, 2009 The problem with coca and cocaine is more complex than that: the use of the plant in it's natural form is way different from the isolated chemical, it is non-addictive and used by two countries for centuries without the problems encountered with cocaine addictions. It has been shown that Coca use can be a cure for cocaine addicts so i think that if coca leaves were legal and available people would not bother to waste theyr time with cocaine who hasnt any of the leaves beneficial properties except the anesthesic one. Anyway there is no perfect law against drug abuse, that would be an utopy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites