PD.

Looking good mate, take care of that baby wont ya. <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png

Been a while since i have read/seen this thread. Simply it is as jabez says, all evidence and stories that could be relied upon as truth/fact were lost long ago and all is merely speculation regardless of the desire for it to be otherwise. One thing though i missed last time, From what i have read, boiling liquid was simply done with large shells or even bark "troughs" via the use of stones from a fire, easy. From boiling liquid to using this knowledge to produce any kind of tryptamine brew is a long long shot. The use of mushrooms i have found little written about but from some accounts certain mushrooms were strictly not for use/consumption. More than likely for reasons of toxicity but if one was to assume that trypts were used then wouldnt subs for example be the most obvious choice........... then i guess you get into the old argument as to whether or not subs are introduced lol. Many accounts of miners and early settlers eating fungi and having "experiences". Dont ask me for refs though, cant recall where i read the articles or if they were of substance at all, too long ago now but no doubt easy to find on the www. Some things we would love to be true but there is just no evidence to back up the speculation and highly doubtful there ever will be. Another thing, i thought that the "meeting place" on the mountain was womens business and it was women that led whites up the mountain when they first ventured up there, the track used is where the road is now, well, that is, apparently. <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png

Does look like the Akira plant, which is as mentioned from unknown origins, apparently a T grandflorus x of sorts. The akira i have and a few others here have is was from a guy that used to sell a heap of lophs and knew his plants although he wasnt the greatest to deal with at times so who knows where this plant comes from. Even when called cereus it is still of unknown parentage apparently. I havent done an areole graft on this one, was gunna but never did. I have this akira thing and another cereus which is very very similar but there are differences...... Might do some today, got some stock rooted, i guess i can waste one for the cause <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png It props very easily btw.

Apparently grafting areoles from a crest is a good way to find out what the plant would look like if growing normally, you will get a regular column plant rather than a crest.

Nice one SM, hopefully it keeps growing in that fashion. I have a couple of strange ones from that batch but the older ones have reverted to normal growth unfortunately . One terminated at the tip and has done nothing for a long time now, i expect it will shoot out a pup from somewhere, snags style. Have a couple of the terscheckXpsycho0 that are growing snags style also. She looks happy and healthy, good work <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png

Thanks for sharing that one mate, looks awesome. Hopefully the fruit sets and we get to see the offspring. I had a crested flower pop out of something not long back, plant was standard growth, cant recall for the life of me what it was though now ha. Was nowhere near as good as that monster though!

well the rosei clone was called as such due to the fact robert calls that particular peruvi rosei, and he has two, one a short spine and one a long spine, hence rosei one and two, which is again roberts naming of them. From memory rosei was a somewhat accepted name for peruvianus quiet some time ago. I have always called it a peruvi when asked, t peruvianus "rosei" same as i would label T bridgesii "psycho0". I think there is a thread around about the whole rosei thing, the name was kept out of respect for Rob but all agreed it is a peruvi. Sharxx had two peru clones he considered rosei, well he sent me two. One was a lot different but is an awesome blue peruvi, even moreso than rosei 1. The other is so close to rosei 1 im yet to make a descision for myself and my own labelling, for now they are tagged sharxx ;) They are the ones from the bendigo garden. Should cross them and see what the outcome is perhaps. I have a lot of yowie in ground and see the thing you mention, that is, dark patches, also a light colour very occasionally which if yellow would be considered variagation, i think it has more to do with the nutrient/moisture uptake than the genetics but you could well be right it is a different clone.

i dont have any room at all ha! Yeh i need to get some arse miners in to relieve my nether regions. Might build a new shadehouse before winter, maybe two. Need one for TBMs and one for lophs so nah fuk it, three, need one for seedlings too. If interbeing visits a few more times things will be lighter, he cant resist a nice clump of tricho seedlings and is an awesome arse miner <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png

Yeh i understand what you are saying zac, though i consider the rosei clone to be the peru from fields as it is a peru, yet by him the old and defunct name of T rosei is still attached to it when it is now, for some time considered peruvianus. Yes it is a distinct clone but for a while a member was selling another peruvi as rosei which turned out to be different. It is similar but overall different and from a different collection entirely than fields. Norma is another peru that is similar and as yet im to grow it to maturity but im told is different again from rosei. The yowie clone is rather distinct and i have not seen a tricho of pachanoi bent with the two needle thin downward pointing spines on mature columns, this yowie clone though, like sausage, super pedro, pc pach and many a different bridgesii seem to have made their way around the country long ago which is no surprise. I have sausage plant from vic, SA and WA and all are the same clone afaic, i have yowie from SA and two locations in vic and all are the same clone, super pedro is everywhere also and it is an easy one to distinguish though many names have been applied to it. There is no way im gon try and tell someone what to call their plant but if trying to attach an already in use name to a clone of unknown origins i think it best to at least try find out where it was sourced or ask for a collective opinion on ID as like i said, the more obvious clones are easy to tell apart from the crowd. Not havin a go at anyone at all here btw! God knows myself and other breeders have made things more complicated for future tricho collectors by hybridising (or mongrelising if that suits you better) but as long as things are labelled the history of the plant will be easier to find out if so desired. Many of the plants i have applied a name to i have done for simplicity and memory of where I sourced the plant. For example the yowie clone was originally spotted by a member here who told me about it as i lived close by. I went along and found it to be a different looking tricho to what WE as a community had floating around. There was quiet a bit of material available and so lots of it was sent around, over time others have found mother plants which are obviously the same clone. It is much easier calling it yowie rather than "that plant that yowie told PD about with the double downward pointing spines which looks like a pachanoi of sorts" especially when replying to 20 PMs about the same plant. Most named clones have a story behind them, others are from big collections and are so different many people desire them, incognito named psycho0 as such when he got it for personal reasons and the name stuck out of respect, super pedro was named by the owner of cactus country and has called it that for 20 odd years, snags, cant recall who coined that one but it is self evident lol, eileen, a gift from Eileen to Ed and so on. So afaic, the naming thing does serve a purpose and help keep track of desirable or unusual/sporty clones but only when ppl stick to what is what whether it be a new one they find and spread around to many ppl, use for breeding or an old fat chunk of eileen they buy from SAB classifieds. When an in use name is just slapped onto any plant someone finds without growing it out or really really looking at it/asking things are gonna get twisted and there will be plants with the same name that are well different and ppl just wont care anymore. Then youll have a garden full of bridgies pach and peru, which will be simple but boring as hell lol "who cares where i got it, its a pachanoi so gtfo". I guess it would make for a nice lot of ID arguements though, everyone loves a nomenclature fight.................. I still wish it got named "the terminator" rather than the sausage plant <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png The naming thing is only really relevant to us here though and even then a lot of ppl just dont care about it they just want a nice plant. Ok, i have had a bit too much tonite, time to stfu, i prolly contradicted myself in that lot, things are getting messy in this lil brain, nigh nighs. Might wanna check with sharxx on the origins of those ones mate ;). He had another peru similar to rosei for awhile, not rosei but an awesome blue number none the less

Ill take some scop x spach.

The plant you showed a pic of in your other thread with the tiny pups looked rosei ish. No way to be sure though, maybe ask the owner where they sourced the original plant(s)? Not much point throwing clone names around though unless you are sure of the origins or its such a highly distinct clone its ID is not really questionable.

peruvianus. I very much doubt the pups will end up monstrose, just looks like some pups do, ribs shifting and so on.

Some spines do seem to have the downward kink in them, others have an upward bend. Yowie also has the distinct downward kink/bend in the spines although much more pronounced than the sausage. Some spines are swollen at the base also on snags.

Just keep in mind the later it is the cooler itll be which is good for camping but not so good for fishing. Be good to meet ya finally jabez, ya should come mate.

man that would need to be one strong roof structure. The weight of the plants in a couple of years would be ridiculous!

http://www.shaman-au...item&item_id=14 - Yowie http://www.shaman-au...item&item_id=13 - J collection http://www.shaman-au...item&item_id=12 - Bridgesii collection

Good stuff myco! Looks like itll take no problems. <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png Ive done a couple more grafts of the crests, the mother plant of the one you got perished but not before i got a few more grafts out of it. Just waiting on some stock to root and ill get some more done.

haha for sure. I thoought there was only the one clump in the bush block near the dam. Hard to pay attention out there some times lol.

Ha, thats the impossible task B <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png Still planning on headn over bro, few dramas to iron out first but ill let ya know.

Happy birthday man, catch up wit ya soons. Havent seen ya around for a bit i guess ya still out the backyard potting up all those seedling seedlings ;) <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png

Is far from a bridgie, although im still undcecided whether to slot it into pachanoi or peruvianus. There is one nice stand of it at fields but i have seen a lot come out of SA and have got from both sources. Man SA has a ship load of cactus scattered about the place, just got a few pics from my uncle who is over there a fair bit. One picture is the mother of all pedros, i have seen some bigguns 6 or 7 mtrs but this one is ridiculous and with a jumbled pile of cuttings infront of it the size of a car lmao, gotta find out where it is. As for the climbing tree thing lol, a shade grown etoliated limb that falls onto a bracnch then bends back upward.... not really climbing but i guess ppl see things differently

Yep, is a common trait.

What, no strategically placed lophs in those shots zelly <___base_url___>/uploads/emoticons/default_tongue.png Nice garden mate. Naja - Seems the clone we have here will elongate and throw out areoles anywhere even on the tip. I have grown quiet a few that stretched out and looked like the one in niggles pic above, i think Rev had some similar. Different conditions and all that jazz. Still yet to get a crest from them, but i doubt it will happen, maybe once i get over 500 tbms ill see one.

I know this is slightly off topic but when i started reading your last post tipz i couldnt help but think of David Lange at Oxford debate. Love this What happened to this kind of political leader? One opposed to the US military march across the world under the veil of nuclear threat/protection, not because his opposition would gain his country but just due to the ludicrous nature of the bomb and everything that having it implied

ebay member "snowdug" from tassie ey, havent seen dug around these parts for quiet some time. I wonder how long it will be before that one gets pulled from the ebay shelves.