ergoamide Posted June 9, 2005 does anyone know where to get a copy of either of these books in aus so dont send me to amazon.com ive looke din a fair few places and have so far come up empty handed anyone have any ideas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teonanacatl Posted June 10, 2005 http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online...al/pihkal.shtml http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online...al/tihkal.shtml not everything but beats nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2b Posted June 10, 2005 pihkal has been refused classification , and will prove 'challanging' to procure. Tihkal should not be a problem , possibly Torsten you should stock copies in the shop ? I'm sure it would be popular Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benzito Posted June 10, 2005 Yeah, you're not allowed to possess Pihkal in Aus are you? Or at least, if they raid your house, and find that book. Then every ethnobotanical you have is probably treated as a drug instead of a plant. It would not make it easy to escape any drug related convictions if they found this book aswell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fenris Posted June 10, 2005 Back in the 80's when some dodgy goon was CEO of Nutrasweet, he wanted to protect the $$$ in the artificial sweetner business. Stevia looked like it might provide competition so he paid off his goon mates at the FDA to ban stevia for use as a zero calorie alternative to sugar. They raided the distributor of stevia, they had naturally sweetened tea bags I believe, and also cook books on how to use stevia in cooking. Anyway the FDA in their corporate funded (reich)ousness BURNED all the BOOKS I don't think Australia is far off before things like this start happening, but regardless of all that there are some Ethnobots here from the US. I am sure if you asked nicely they could send you a copy privately as a birthday present. I doubt the Xray machine can see the front cover and why would there be any reason to suspect a book in the mail as being on the banned list? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Posted June 10, 2005 Polyester Books has both in stock $60.00 each Just give him a call for mail order (10$ postage) www.polyester.com.au (03)94195223 [ 10. June 2005, 02:44: Message edited by: Jack ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerbil Posted June 10, 2005 It's been discussed a few times where to get them, UTSE! You can get dymocks to order them, umm otherwise try bookstores like polyester in melb (no idea where you live) Can't remember if dymocks can get pihkal, i'm pretty sure they can, vague memory says i saw them there one day, could be wrong though. Both are definately about in australia. Try as many bookstores online or yellowpages, get both ISBN off the web and call around asking people who can order it for you. Books can be a pain to find, but keep at it and eventually it'll come, i've been after certain books for years, one of which i recently acquired, happy campers all 'round. lol got in before me jack [ 10. June 2005, 02:59: Message edited by: gerbil ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sacrelegion Posted June 10, 2005 i bought a copy in a little bookshop in melbourne, and im sure you know where to find it if you look in the right place Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ergoamide Posted June 10, 2005 thanx 4 ur help everyone ill have a good look just 4 a note though gerbil i did utse but i might have typed them in wrong coz i got no results thanx 4 ur advice though Edit: how wierd that tihkal would get classification and not pihkal the strangness of it all [ 10. June 2005, 08:21: Message edited by: ergoamide ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted June 10, 2005 support polyester. he fights against censorship laws and should be supported for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amanito Posted June 10, 2005 www.bol.com , vendor from holland, cheapest booksupplier i know. I also saw shulgins book very cheap on amazon i think, but you'll have lots of shipping. On bol.com only 2.5 euro for everything together. Tihkal: € 21,83 = 35 aussi dollar Pikhal: € 17,17 = 29 aussi dollar The Simple Plant Isoquinolines: € 34,46 = 56 aussie dollar Shipping = 4 aussi dollar They also have a lot of other intersting books Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted June 10, 2005 imports are cheap only if they don't get confiscated!!!!!! Remember, PIHKAL is a banned book in Oz and will not be allowed in by customs if they see it. I should add that I have NEVER had an amazon.com order opened by customs. I guess it is so bloody obvious what's in the box that they don't bother. With banned books it might be best ot order from amazon if they are not available locally. Personally I would recommend to support Polyester Books even if it costs a few extra bucks. They have lots of other subversive stuff too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amanito Posted June 11, 2005 Banned books , OMG Are there other countries where it's forbidden too? So I guess 'the hive' is also forbidden? What about Learey, McKenna, Stafford, Hoffman .. also not allowed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyAmine. Posted June 11, 2005 Polyester is the best, I cringe when I think about the ammounts of money I used to spend at that place, a couple of thousand at least... I dare say that polyester had a lot to do with my interestes in ethnobotany. I used to spend hours in there reading books (lots of time to kill while waiting on Smith St. ) God knows where my library is now.. in a box in someones house, somewhere in melbourne.. damn ex-girlfriends.... LOL :mad: :mad: :mad: I was on the street when they got raided many years ago... gee, that really sucked, heaps of books got pulled of the shelves never to return.... [ 11. June 2005, 00:30: Message edited by: AndyAmine. ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anodyne Posted June 11, 2005 This is fucking insane! Is Pihkal really banned or is it just that imports are prohibited? How can they do this? Every second book on the shelves describes murders, sometimes in intricate detail, like American Psycho(which I have seen for sale) and yet we can't buy a book that talks about drugs. Maybe we'd have more luck if he took the recipe section out? But for fuck's sake, a lot of the recipes he describes have been published elsewhere in journals etc., which we'd be allowed to subscribe to, but we can't buy a book that talks about the same thing? WTF? It's strange if PIHKAL is banned in Oz, as I have seen both it and TIHKAL in libraries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ergoamide Posted June 11, 2005 it is very strange aslo strange is that amanito had his prices up there for tihkal and pihkal yet from the prices i ahve seen pihkal is usually 20 more xpensive than tihkal in this case its the otha way around thats strange ill have a look at polyester they soudn like a worthwhile cause. thaks for your help everyone Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted June 11, 2005 If you want to know what books, films and magazines are illegal to possess or sell then check the database at the office of film and literature classification. This has been discussed many times on these forums. UTSE. And I don't know how often I have to say this, but just because you can buy something in Oz doesn't mean it is legal. For example you can get High Times magazine everywhere, but every single issue is listed with the OFLC. I still don't understand why PIHKAL is listed and TIHKAL isn't, but that's probably just because no authority has ever bothered to submit it to the OFLC. Import controls are a combination of the above PLUS a few things listed in the customs act. Essentially customs can make up their own rules as they are covered by the 'community protection' clauses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dc Posted July 6, 2005 Hey all, i orded Pihkal from Borders at the Jam Factory in Prahran. Took ages to come in but had no problems in ordering it for me, this was about 6 mths ago. I got Tihkal from Amazon in about 1/8th the time it took Borders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benzedrine Posted July 7, 2005 I've had a book seized that I couldn't on the OFLC database. So i'm pretty sure that they have some power to decide to seize unlisted books too. Its funny, I had a friend who ordered a set of lockpicks and a an instructional book on how to use them. The package was checked by customs and he was given the lockpicks but the book was seized. Beauracracy gone mad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thatpersonthatiam Posted July 8, 2005 I ordered both PIHKAL and TIHKAL about 2 years back for about $50 each through Collins Bookstore. Easy. They (and pretty much any other bookstore) won't bother checking classifications, cause basically everyone realises that it is a ridiculous law than bans books. Mind you I have heard of people's parcels arriving containing nothing but that online bookshops invoice and a catalouge (obviously the book was stolen by customs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bundy Posted July 9, 2005 I think there on-line versions out there. Its been a looong time since i looked but i think i've got one or a least parts of. If you have trouble i'll set up a torrent for ya. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vual Posted November 21, 2009 (edited) http://www.borders.com.au/search/pihkal/ ^If they have it then its legal to me. This entire subject over the past few years has become very confusing, as fare as i am concerned its perfectly Legal, and the police can go raid borders. STILL THE CHEAPEST IN OZ, ALL STATES... $30!!!! Try BEAT IT.. ? Edited December 5, 2009 by vual Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coja Posted November 24, 2009 botanicalpreservationcorps.com - if you don't mind ordering from the western US, they've also got the special editions as well as most everything still available written by Jonathan Ott. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hendry Posted November 24, 2009 Refused Classification (List of books,movies,video games ,songs that the Australian government thinks your too stupid to be allowed to have. Scribd is a good site that features many Loompanics/Paladin Press type how to books,.......... I think? as well as titles from The Strike and Uncle Fester. Pretty fucked up that the Australian government wastes so much time and money pissing on it citizens right to read controversial literature. Most people who read these books do so out of curiosity. If the information contained within them was so dangerous what happens to the govt workers who are paid to read and ban these books and video games are they unnaturally compelled to take up chemistry after reading one of Strike's titles? or do they play Grand theft auto III one to many times and embark of a maniacal crime wave? Even more fucked up was when John Howard banned legal porn for Aboriginal areas. Was that law found to be unconstitutional and overturned? Australia is a very politically correct /pro-multiculturalism place (or it seems that way from watching the news?). It's amazing how that law could have ever passed in the first place. The logic behind it implies that Aborigines are such primitive savages that if given a Hustler magazine they will be unable to suppress their "innate" propensity to sexually assault others. While white Australians (being civilized and less impulsive) are naturally allowed to read said fuckmagazine. It's amazing that such a racist censorship rule could even be suggested or deemed constitutional? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hendry Posted November 24, 2009 Refused Classification (List of books,movies,video games ,songs that the Australian government thinks your too stupid to be allowed to have. Scribd is a good site that features many Loompanics/Paladin Press type how to books,.......... I think? as well as titles from The Strike and Uncle Fester. Pretty fucked up that the Australian government wastes so much time and money pissing on it citizens right to read controversial literature. Most people who read these books do so out of curiosity. If the information contained within them was so dangerous what happens to the govt workers who are paid to read and ban these books and video games are they unnaturally compelled to take up chemistry after reading one of Strike's titles? or do they play Grand theft auto III one to many times and embark of a maniacal crime wave? Even more fucked up was when John Howard banned legal porn for Aboriginal areas. Was that law found to be unconstitutional and overturned? Australia is a very politically correct /pro-multiculturalism place (or it seems that way from watching the news?). It's amazing how that law could have ever passed in the first place. The logic behind it implies that Aborigines are such primitive savages that if given a Hustler magazine they will be unable to suppress their "innate" propensity to sexually assault others. While white Australians (being civilized and less impulsive) are naturally allowed to read said fuckmagazine. It's amazing that such a racist censorship rule could even be suggested or deemed constitutional? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
