rahli Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) I have three seed grown (about a year old) Icaros DNA seedlings. I remember reading somewhere that Icaros DNA seeds have a large amout of genetic diversity as they are collected from wild Trichocereus peruvianus source plants. Two of the seedling look like average Trichocereus. One of the seedlings has always looked a little darker green with a much more flat rounded appearance. This plant also dropped and picked up ribs as a seedling. It has now progressed in its weirdness to pup from the apical tip. Has anyone seen this type of behavour before in Icaros DNA plants? Edited January 15, 2009 by rahli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genki Posted January 15, 2009 no but i like it, should be interesting to see how this turns out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conan Troutman Posted January 15, 2009 no but i like it, should be interesting to see how this turns out Ive seen it in 'yowie'... Id guess the tip was damaged in some way. also I will have a shizenhousen load of Icaro seedlings available soon... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rahli Posted January 15, 2009 (edited) There wasn't any apparent damage as you can clearly see in the first pic taken when she decided to pup from the tip. Looked sort of like it just dropped all its ribs and had nowhere else to go. Close examination of the rib structure also shows that it has dropped and picked up / changed rib formation a number of times in its seedling stage. I hope she continues to provide me with ongoing entertainment as she has been fun to watch so far. CT have you noticed much variation in form with your Icaros seedlings? Pics would be good too if you have them. Thanks Edited January 15, 2009 by rahli Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted January 15, 2009 hey Rahli..are they grown from seed..1 year old..? H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rahli Posted January 15, 2009 hey Rahli..are they grown from seed..1 year old..?H. Hey Hunab Ku, The seed was purchased from the SAB shop and planted right away a little over a year ago, so the seedlings are around a year old. I have no idea how fresh the seed was at the time of purchase. I think there was around six seeds that germinated out of 20 planted out, but it was a while ago now so I'm not entirely sure. Could look back through my plant purchase records and photos to find out exactly. Does anyone have some photos of Icaros seedlings or plants they would like to share? I'm especially interested in there being a large range of forms expressed as a result of high genetic diversity. Or does this source of T. peruvianus show an average range of form diversity compared to other seed sources? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted January 15, 2009 reason I ask is I'm growing a wide and varied selection of cactus from seed at the moment and have about 200 seedlings powering on...was just trying to eye ball their size after 1 year. I've found that the lophs and bridgesii and scop are absolutely flying..about a cm high after sowing seed in late Nov. I recently acquired a nice amount of Icaro seed so I'm particularly interested in their growth rate. nice plants..I really like their form and spination. H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Undergrounder Posted January 15, 2009 My 1yr old Icaros aren't nearly that big... mind you i had them in straight sand and didn't fertilise much, i only recently changed them into soil. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted January 15, 2009 mmmm at what point would it be safe to fetilize seedlings as young as I have them..mine are in sand soil mix and I'd say there are some trace nutrients allready in the soil..would say 2 or 3 drops of cactus fertilizer in a litre of water and wick water them be ok at the age I have em...or should I be waiting till next year before attempting any form of ferts with em? they are all really green and fat ...although some have slight redish tinge to them..but nothing much. H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_e_ Posted January 16, 2009 there should be a hell of a lot of these seedlings around, my partner and i brought back about 10,000 seeds, and torsten was already stocking the seed (back round end of 2005 i think) so there should be some 3+ year old plants out there.. i've been really interested in seeing what has come through, should b some good diversity! i remember some ppl doing grafting to speed it all up. pics ppl pics! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rahli Posted January 16, 2009 I've gone through my computer and gained a more accurate idea on growth times. Planted seed around July 2007. Hardened off around Febuary 2008 July 2008 and now 18 months from planting seed and around a year since hardened off and put in full sun 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted January 16, 2009 Absoulutely beautiful... love the time line..interesting the growth from Feb to July..I assume they where in a green house to put on that much growth...then again I just saw where you live..LOL...hot all year round..still that's some nice growing..well done. H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rahli Posted January 16, 2009 Thanks Hunab Ku, Yes everything grows all year round up here in the monsoon tropics. Goodluck with your little trichos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synapse Posted January 20, 2009 Grafted in april 08, the small one has red spines. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rahli Posted January 22, 2009 Grafted in april 08, the small one has red spines. Hey synapse, Your grafts look great. Did you graft them all onto the same stock? and what stock did you use? They will be ready for degrafting in no time. Sweet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synapse Posted January 25, 2009 cheers rahli, its a 3 seedling graft onto a cereus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teotzlcoatl Posted January 25, 2009 (edited) Those seedlings are beautiful. I think you have a "Monstrose" Icaros... I'm positive it's the genetics that are making it do that... Edited January 25, 2009 by Teotz' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rahli Posted January 25, 2009 Yeah thanks Teotz, I'm pretty certain too as she is now starting to produce joined areols and it looks like the tip is ready to result is some more funky typed form. I'll post some more pics in a few more weeks when the tip express itself better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moses Posted January 26, 2009 here is a variegate that came from seed planted sep07 she's 16cm tall and slightly thinner than a coke can. rahli if yours stays monstrose i'll trade u a cut of my variegate when they grow up if ya like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rahli Posted January 26, 2009 here is a variegate that came from seed planted sep07 she's 16cm tall and slightly thinner than a coke can. rahli if yours stays monstrose i'll trade u a cut of my variegate when they grow up if ya like? She looks like a mad little cactus MOSES, I'd deffinately like to trade you a cut of my little changling in future. I'm thinking she should maintain the traites as she has displayed them her entire life. You've done a great job growing your little one as she is pretty big and healthy looking especially for a variegate. Is she from Icaros DNA seed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moses Posted January 27, 2009 Is she from Icaros DNA seed? yep she's 'icaros' seed from s.a.b, the only one to show variegation from around 200 sown(only about 60 germinated) she started to show variegation at about 1cm then at about 7cm i thought it was just nutrient deficiency cos it started to fade was really hard to see the pattern but it seems to have settled now wish i'd taken shots of her as seedling now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rahli Posted February 3, 2009 Here are some updates. The tip is just starting to pup again. Here is the joined areols. and a profile pic 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teotzlcoatl Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) Wow! Cool! I dub it the Trichocereus peruvianus "Icaros Monstrose"!!!! That's an excellent clone you have there. I'd cut it up soon and propagate. Edited February 4, 2009 by Teotz' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
incognito Posted February 4, 2009 it certainly looks promising! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutant Posted February 4, 2009 Great cactus ! Lucky you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
