Eikel Posted February 7, 2006 Grrr, ok, the universe doesn't want me to eat the wild mushrooms in my paddock, I'm sure of that now. After not seeing any mushrooms for ages I watered the patches that had been mulched (and subsequently fruited) with my manure/straw composts some months back, been doing this for a few days and I saw today nice white patches on the top of the mulched areas (on the actual parts of the manure poking through the woodchip layers. I thought - FINALLY, I'll be able to take some pics and prints and 100% ID these as cubies..... my dog came in from outside 20 minutes ago, dizzy and in an "entranced" kind've state... having seen this once before I ran out to see, the patches of white were gone, and chewed manure from the mulched areas spread out on my lawn. This is the second (or even 3rd maybe) time that the stupid dog has (suspectedly) eaten mushrooms from the field, it seems to ignore all the other fungi I've seen excepting the patches of manure, which it will chew up and eat. Has anyone else had pets that eat their hard worked-for mushie cultivations? Gotta go now, I have to take care of a stupid dog that seems like it's gonna throw up... she KNOWS this is what happens and she still does it, I'm sure of it.... frustrating animal! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikel Posted February 7, 2006 Now she's tired herself out doing laps around the house and is enjoying her CEV's.... Damned trippa dog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvpills Posted February 7, 2006 Maybe you just need to harness this dogs fungal instincts and put them to good instead of evil, maybe her great, great grandfather was a truffle sniffer and the genes have been passed down the line and she is just acting on instinct. With no truffles around what other choice does she have but to consume the next most valuble fungi available? Alternatively, you could take her to the nearest dog obedience school and explain the problems you are having, although, i'm not certain they will be familiar with 'Cube' eaters. Its probably a specialists area. Possibly one of those doggy Phycologists but i can only think they must be a tad more bonkers than the dogs they treat.................. Or, just simply make a few extra rice grain cakes next time you innoculate and put a few aside for her, that should save her munching the valuable ones. I mean you can't really blame the dog, crikey, we all know how good they are and maybe she's just got the taste for them. I shouldn't joke, i'm feel'n the pain, good luck with it Eikel!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mescalito Posted February 7, 2006 LOL maybe an OD might deter her next time but dogs like to eat shit anyway so that might've been all she thought she was eating. My little mate learned the hard way when he ate what he thought was an ounce of butter flavoured leaves from the compost quite a few years ago!! He was bent for close on three days Also we had a sheep once that thought it'd be a good idea to eat all the berries from a belladonna plant...poor thing we found her leaning against a brick wall with dialated eyes and her tongue out panting like crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikel Posted February 7, 2006 Maybe you just need to harness this dogs fungal instincts and put them to good instead of evil, maybe her great, great grandfather was a truffle sniffer and the genes have been passed down the line and she is just acting on instinct. With no truffles around what other choice does she have but to consume the next most valuble fungi available? Well I've put in a couple of oaks and am trying to get more info about pre-innoculated oak/cedar/maple seedlings from a local source - there are companies in the USA that sell them, but essentially you just need to fertilize your soil and treat with lime to bring up alkalinity... it's a long-term process, would be 10yrs in best conditions before you could harvest any "fruits" from your truffle-innoculated trees. But I just wish she'd leave the "magic" stuff alone, the missus always worries about here and thinks that it's not going to wear off (which it always does, within 12hrs or so). but dogs like to eat shit anyway so that might've been all she thought she was eating. Hehe, no mate, she KNEW what it was, she will sniff through poo to find the one covered in the "white" ;mycellium, if she wanted to eat poo there's a big pile of pinechip horsepoo compost much closer to the house than the one that had the mushies come through... there's also other areas with poo that she doesn't even go near... reincarnated hippie I swear, she will also destroy any mull plants she finds, eats the thing and brings back the stripped stalk to the house for us, silly dog ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amulte Posted February 7, 2006 awww dude what a sweet fungi big puppy! yeah i was thinking ex human mushroom eater, maybe try getting some truffels, let dog smell them, then go bury them and see what happens. if dog finds em them give treat and congratulate then walk round looking for more i guess? i dunno, im dreaming :D Love ya dog! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rev Posted February 7, 2006 Well I've put in a couple of oaks and am trying to get more info about pre-innoculated oak/cedar/maple seedlings from a local source truffles you want like Oak and hazelnut (Corylus) trees You can buy them . not sure from where but i saw it on TV i also saw the experimnets in progress at UNI Its not rocket science - really making tubestock is not the hard part ist getting reiliable and commercial yields hey mescalito sure about that belldonna ID? its not a common plant at all in Aus. far more common and goig by the same common name here is Solanum nigrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botanika Posted February 7, 2006 Cats will seek out this sort of fungi too. A dog has a lot less colour perception and detail focus than humans but then has better movement tracking and nightvision...it would be interesting to know what sensory effects the animals would experience. I wonder if such fungus would influence their already phenomenal smell and hearing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyAmine. Posted February 7, 2006 Drive down the country road until he gives a good sniff in one direction, then go hunt out the cube'ies! LOL Now you jst need to get him a liking for Pans and youll be all set! Hey, you could even hire out your dog to mushroom hunters! $40 a day! sounds like a potential bussines, training up magic mushroom hunting dogs for all those hippies wihtout an eye for the fun-guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikel Posted February 8, 2006 Heh Hey guys, thanks for all the well-wishes for the "puppy". She's fine now and her normal self destroying my clothes hanging to dry Rev - if you find out who sells those innoculated stock please let me know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvpills Posted February 8, 2006 There was a program all about it last weekend.......... Check out this link it should set you along the right path http://www.wineandtruffle.com.au/news.asp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvpills Posted February 8, 2006 Or these sites, it was on landline last weekend that i saw it, with a dog like yours you could make a packet........... http://www.smallfarms.net/farmingtruffles.htm http://www.tastruffles.com.au/ http://www.perigord.com.au/ http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2004/s1250667.htm http://www.theage.com.au/news/epicure/the-...1539031264.html Just remeber who your mates are when you start digging them up :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mescalito Posted February 8, 2006 Rev:yep it was Atropa not a wild S.nigrum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiders Posted February 12, 2006 Weird I could have sworn that animals found the smell of psilocybin-bearing mushrooms offensive - Ive never met a dog or a cat that would go near them, let alone willing seek them out without training. Im sure you could train dogs to find them though. Infact ive never heard from anyone that has had a dog that actively chose to go out and eat psilocybes. I also read somewhere that it was suggested that psychoactives that effect serotonin in the brain had minimal effects on animals - i remember reading that they thought that only higher primates got a severe psychedelic reaction to tryptamines and LSD - could be wrong though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botanika Posted February 13, 2006 Infact ive never heard from anyone that has had a dog that actively chose to go out and eat psilocybes.I also read somewhere that it was suggested that psychoactives that effect serotonin in the brain had minimal effects on animals - i remember reading that they thought that only higher primates got a severe psychedelic reaction to tryptamines and LSD - could be wrong though... I thought this too, but my gf's crazy cat has eaten them accidently and if they are left out will curiously find them. It wont touch shittakes left on the kitchen bench though, only the cubies. I could have sworn this accidental ingestion had an effect but it could have been the animals natural behaviour too. I've read lots of stories about farm animals eating grasses that contain psychedelic (but nasty in this raw form) substances and being effected considerably. Maybe animals only get the more physical symptons, not the serotonin receptor magic. The simplest explanation I can think of regarding dogs is they're not seeking out the mushrooms because of what they are but because the owner is also seeking them out. The dog could be more interested in helping its master (the alpha pack leader) than seeking spiritual canine enlightenment. Im quite sure domestic animals, dogs especially, have evolved in more complex ways than we know due to their long interaction with humans. Dogs have evolved considerably in appearance from the grey wolf ancestor, I wonder just how much their thought processes have evolved with such close and dependant human contact?? I've had some damn freaky experiences where I've felt like i can commune with animals when tripping... but that's probably a whole other topic in itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amulte Posted February 13, 2006 I've read lots of stories about farm animals eating grasses that contain psychedelic (but nasty in this raw form) substances and being effected considerably. Maybe animals only get the more physical symptons, not the serotonin receptor magic. Very correct, A.Hoffman and (i know it shultz but i think 1st initials are R.L)Shultz have an encyclopedia of livestock and psychidelis. i remember seeing the pic of a lamb that ate morning glory vine. legs twisted and beating its head into a post for hours till it could no longer stand and died 2 days later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvpills Posted February 13, 2006 Hey Eikel, i think i have found your mushroom theif? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eikel Posted February 13, 2006 Hey Eikel, i think i have found your mushroom theif? HAHAHAHA, LOVE IT! Glad I didn't get out the air-rifle to scare 'em off then ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botanika Posted February 14, 2006 A yoda dog? Thats too cool... :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wandjina Posted February 14, 2006 I've read lots of stories about farm animals eating grasses that contain psychedelic (but nasty in this raw form) substances and being effected considerably. Maybe animals only get the more physical symptons, not the serotonin receptor magic. hmm, yeah...like phalaris staggers. check out the first few lines of this: http://deoxy.org/codex/action=edit&id=Heresy I also read somewhere that it was suggested that psychoactives that effect serotonin in the brain had minimal effects on animals - i remember reading that they thought that only higher primates got a severe psychedelic reaction to tryptamines and LSD - could be wrong though... yeah, I heard this somewhere too, but I've also heard otherwise. Some time ago i read a review of 'Animals and Psychedelics: The Natural World and the Instinct to Alter Consciousness.' http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/089281986...glance&n=283155 I haven't read it, but it wouldn't surprise me if it has been established that serotonergic plants/substances have a pronounced psychedelic effect on 'lower' animals...even invertebrates. One cannot know (at least under normal conditions ) what goes on inside the mind of an insect, but I've obsevred some pretty peculiar behaviour from an ant and a cockroach after having ingested DMT and psilocybin respectively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mescalito Posted February 15, 2006 You've seen the spider web pics in Stafford's Psychedelics encyclopedia haven't you? Cool how the web-building reflects the nature of the substance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benzito Posted February 15, 2006 I've posted about my LSA-loving rabbit before. He loves to nibble morning glory vines, but the actual vine, so who knows what other toxins he is getting! He will then spend one or two days sitting next to any water he can find, as long as it is a shady spot. He just cowers in the shade, next to a bowl of water, or a discarded ice cream container filled with rain water, etc. If you pick him up and move him somewhere else, he will just slowly hop/hobble his way back to the water again. He doesn't seem to drink any more than normal, but just likes to be near the water. This has occured about 4 times now, but now I've moved the morning glory so he can't get to it. It's funny, but kind of frightening, when it happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wandjina Posted February 17, 2006 (edited) You've seen the spider web pics in Stafford's Psychedelics encyclopedia haven't you? Cool how the web-building reflects the nature of the substance. yeah, those are fascinating. If I remember correctly the caffeine and amphetamine webs were the messiest, the LSD web was near perfect, and on one substance the spider didn't even bother weaving a web at all (was it THC or an opiate...or did I just imagine this?). I know that in the 1950s researchers did all kinds of weird experiments on 'lower' animals with LSD and other substances, including several on tropical fish, at least one on axolotls, and one on salamanders. Benz...your rabbits behaviour sounds interesting (and sooo cute), any photos? Edited February 17, 2006 by wandjina Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
apothecary Posted February 17, 2006 http://www.cannabis.net/weblife.html There are some others linked below like arachnids on Benzedrine or Chloryl Hydrate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
