Smoking Acacia fimbriata

[Freakosystem]

Hi all,

 

I just watched Snu Voogelbreinders talk titled "Psychoactive Australian Acacia species and their alkaloids" on YouTube where he mentions he and others have smoked Acacia baileyana leaves for a slight effect, adding it is somewhere between smoking tobacco and cannabis.

 

Have any of you tried this? What were your experiences like? How much did you need to smoke?

 

Also, what precautions should somebosy take before attempting this? How risky is it?

 

I'm also interested in trying Acacia suveolens phyllode tea which may have a mild stimulant effect similar to green tea.

 

Here's a link to the talk:

 

*edit: Corrected the species.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Freakosystem
wrong species.

[ph7]

He mentions smoking baileyana for that effect, don't remember fimbriata.

 

I haven't tried it but have some plants growing

[Caster]

I’m also interested in finding out about this! I listened to the lecture a few months ago. Really good lecture. 

[Freakosystem]

Thanks for the correction ph7. You know when you think about one species but have the name of another? Yeah. I hate that.

 

Well if anybody knows why I shouldn't give it a go, let me know.

[Obi J]

Hi , first time posting and I see this post is not new but in case anyone is interested still I’ve smoked baileyyana . I used a large cone amount. Effects were similar to weak dope . Felt light headed and some time disoriented, lasted about two hours , didn’t taste too good and left an unpleasant smoke taste in your mouth. I’ll try again vaping it once the tree gets a little bigger as I bought it as tube stock and smoked the lower leaves . 

[Strontium Dawg]

26 minutes ago, Obi J said:

Hi , first time posting and I see this post is not new but in case anyone is interested still I’ve smoked baileyyana . I used a large cone amount. Effects were similar to weak dope . Felt light headed and some time disoriented, lasted about two hours , didn’t taste too good and left an unpleasant smoke taste in your mouth. I’ll try again vaping it once the tree gets a little bigger as I bought it as tube stock and smoked the lower leaves . 

You might find vaping isn't very effective unless you can get the temp up reasonably high. A lot of the harmala type compounds vaporize at higher temps than tryptamines and other compounds. Worth a try though I guess.

[Obi J]

Yeah I agree, I use a volcano so it’s no lightweight with the temps,  but I’ll give some feedback once I give it a go, can only try .

cheers 

[Dan_j]

just remember not to smoke random acacia species with no confirmed reports, some Australian species do have cyanide 

[Obi J]

10 hours ago, Dan_j said:

just remember not to smoke random acacia species with no confirmed reports, some Australian species do have cyanide 

Cheers Dan, already onto it bro, I have a science background and specialise in bush foods and medicine , but concern is very much appreciated and welcomed cheers 

[Northerner]

On 03/05/2020 at 11:03 PM, Dan_j said:

just remember not to smoke random acacia species with no confirmed reports, some Australian species do have cyanide 

This was exactly the point I was going to bring up. There's a whole host of toxins that can be found in trees besides cyanide. I did a exploratory extraction study on many acacia species some years ago and found many more that contained toxins than contained psychoactive compounds. Even some that contained both. 

There's seriously no logical reason to be experimenting smoking unknown plants. It's borderline stupid.

 

If you are super keen on exploring something please do an a/b extraction and an ethanol extraction and contact me. I can get GCMS analysis done for free on acacia extracts.

[Dan_j]

On 07/05/2020 at 10:26 PM, Northerner said:

This was exactly the point I was going to bring up. There's a whole host of toxins that can be found in trees besides cyanide. I did a exploratory extraction study on many acacia species some years ago and found many more that contained toxins than contained psychoactive compounds. Even some that contained both. 

There's seriously no logical reason to be experimenting smoking unknown plants. It's borderline stupid.

 

If you are super keen on exploring something please do an a/b extraction and an ethanol extraction and contact me. I can get GCMS analysis done for free on acacia extracts.

 

found anything negative in the commonly used acacia accuminata?

its my current source for brews

[Northerner]

Both types of acuminata contained only DMT, trace beta-carbolines and plant fats and oils. I didn't get the oils tested but you can assume a similar profile to most, just tannins and fat. 

Personally I wouldn't consume the bark. But the greatest risk is stomach irritation really.

[Dan_j]

good to know!

currently only using phyllodes ( leaves) and small twigs with success.

my 1st and only bark brew may have had trunk with the bark, so wasn't a great experience, dont know how bark only would work yet clearly not very sustainable way of harvesting the material

[Northerner]

Good on you man. There's no reason to go ripping up the forest. There's a lot of oils in the phyllodes, I'm not sure how much of that I would ingest, might give a funny tummy. There are ways to separate the prize from the plant though. 

There are people in Australia who have planted acuminata especially for harvesting for these purposes, it's cheap and sustainable.

[fyzygy]

I've smoked A. baileyana leaf from a mature specimen, rolled into a cigarette. It was better than nothing. But I haven't exactly rushed back to source more. The effect is not dissimilar to Snu's description, very mildly psychoactive and not very long-lasting. I've tasted worse. But maybe it'd better to try in a smoking blend. Or maybe there's a method of curing the leaf - which is already pretty dry, right off the tree. Could be some seasonal variation, I didn't keep records of my experiments. And I try not to smoke anything at all these days, if I can help it. Might be good for a smoking ceremony, or incense.