Ariocarpus appreciation thread.

[BillyThKid]

Ariocarpus is my favorite genus of cacti. I love the tubrical growth of the plant and how it blends in with mud even though it is most beautiful when uncovered. I grow many seedlings but i do not have many recent pictures of them. all seedlings are 10 months old now.

Currently i grow ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus (one 3 headed graft and 4 seedlings),4 ariocarpus agavoides seedlings, 7 ariocarpus retusus subspecies trigonus seedlings, 8 ariocrpus retusus subspecies confusus seedlings, one ariocarpus retusus 4 year old, and one ariocarpus bravoanus 3 year old. also one ariocarpus confusus grafted to a pereskiopsis.

You guys got any ariocarpus? i have only a few so i really want to see some of your collections. i have only seen a few really nice ones but at this point just about anything tops my collection of them.

A. retusus

A. Bravoanus

A. kotschoubeyanus three headed graft.

I will show off my seedlings once i get a chance haha.

[Schrodinger's Khat]

I don't have enough to make it worthy of a full post, but a few of the pro's on here seem to grow a few and grow them very well.

I seem to remember GoOnThen and Hellonasty having a nice collection (I think)

[Ethos]

I've only ever tried growing A. Fissuratus,
never had a graft successfully take hold and after four years my 'seedlings' are still the size of a few week old Lophophora seedling.

Slow growers indeed...

[Hellonasty]

One of two of mine flowered recently;

A. Retusus

A. Bravoanus

A.Retusus

A. Fissuratus hybrid

[Schrodinger's Khat]

I love you Hellonasty.

[Schrodinger's Khat]

HN... Why Hylo stock and not something else?

I have noticed that you favour this grafting stock? Do you have an abundance or do prefer the species? (Hellonasty)

[Hellonasty]

I definitely prefer Hylocereus, It grows fast and performs well for both seedling and advanced grafts. The only exception is Lophophora SP, they don't like Hylocereus for some reason, so I graft them to Trichocereus.

[myco]

Ario's are one of my favorites to

I'm fairly new to growing them but have amassed a decent little collection over the last year

I'll post up some pics of my lil collection when i get a chance when

so busy lately looking at buying land and building a house it's all been pretty full on

[BillyThKid]

I don't have enough to make it worthy of a full post, but a few of the pro's on here seem to grow a few and grow them very well.

I seem to remember GoOnThen and Hellonasty having a nice collection (I think)

Hey now, i have a small collection myself and i still showed some of it off. PLease show off your babies. i dont care if they are seedlings or not.

I've only ever tried growing A. Fissuratus,

never had a graft successfully take hold and after four years my 'seedlings' are still the size of a few week old Lophophora seedling.

Slow growers indeed...

Something is wrong with either how you were growing them, or the seed stock you got because a four year old Ariocarpus should be at least 5cmn across if not more.

What color are yours and did you ever notice any color changing? back in September right after i brought my Ariocarpus over to my windows and lighting for my cacti and they got too much light and started turning olive green colored and almost brown at some of the tips. After that it took them at least a month and a half to recover from the sun stress, a managed to get them behind a few of my other cacti to be protected from the light better (even though they already had plastic lids for light blocking and humidity). A couple months ago they were all growing really good and then in april i put them outside and god sun damage again and now they are stalled out again for another 2 or 3 months.

If you got sun damage they would also grow incredibly slow, but four years is still a hell of a long time for it to stay the size of a loph sprout. they develop their first tubrical leaves at 4 or 5 months old.

And i have only grafted One ariocarpus to a pereskiopsis and i did it without pressure or and real technique. i just cut and grafted it off center to the water core and it took.

One of two of mine flowered recently;

A. Retusus

A. Bravoanus

A.Retusus

A. Fissuratus hybrid

I love both your A. Retusus plants, the double flower in the first picture is beautiful as well. Your A Bravoanus graft looks interesting, im so use to seeing the thinner longer leaves of a rooted specimen. Are you sure it is not A. Bravoanus Var. Hintonii? As i recall A. Bravoanus does not have areoles on the tips of its tubricals.

the hybrid is really cool too. i really want to get into Hybridizing my own Ariocarpus once they get large enough to flower. They are one of the few species i enjoy hybrids of. so long as i know what kind of hybrid.

Funny though because the Ariocarpus genus is really messed up anyway. Trigonus and confusus are two sub species of retusus, they are the result of natural hybridization. And most people consider them their own species, which they are subspecies i guess,

[Myeloblast]

Ariocarpus has to be my favorite genus too..here's some from my collection:

various Ariocarpus fissuratus plants

A. fissuratus v. lloydii plants

pair of A. fissuratus v. bravoanus plants

A. fissuratus v. Godzilla

A. retusus plants

A. retusus v. furfuraceus

A. retusus v. maruibo

A. trigonus (trigonus is considered its own species, whereas confusus is not...at least that's my understanding and current opinion)

Few hybrids planted together

Some seedlings

More hybrids, seedlings, and grafts to come

[BillyThKid]

@myeloblast You have an amazing collection. Your Lloydii look almost like haworthia plants haha. on the note of Trigonus and confusus though: To my understanding they are both sub species of retusus. At least according to E. F. Anderson, read the first paragraph which is the summary it says trigonus is a sub species of retusus

http://www.living-rocks.com/anderson.htm

That website has the most up to date info i can find on Ariocarpus other than a few minor things.

Edited May 26, 2014 by BillyThKid

[AZS]

I only have one - approximately fifty year old Ariocarpus Fissuratus. It flowers every year in the fall - if it produces seeds I haven't been able to find any.

[djmattz0r]

This is my only one, an Ariocarpus retusus v furfuraceus. It's a bit bigger than this picture but was the most recent one I had.

[BillyThKid]

I only have one - approximately fifty year old Ariocarpus Fissuratus. It flowers every year in the fall - if it produces seeds I haven't been able to find any.

Some ariocarpus are self fertile but not all of them. Personally i collect pollen when my cacti flower and store it in glass slants and it keeps good for a long ass time. Some get good results by just self polinating the single flowers by rubbing a cue tip around inside of it to fertilize it.

The flowers form berry pods like most plants and in nature they typically shoot out the seeds, though i think this is from them sinking into the ground more and pressure is put on the dry seed pot which then bursts.

ever notice any berry seed pods? what happens to the flower after it is done?

This is my only one, an Ariocarpus retusus v furfuraceus. It's a bit bigger than this picture but was the most recent one I had.

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Thats a damn big ariocarpus retusus, furfuraceus taxonomy is an interesting one. So many ariocarpus are sold as that which are not actually that Var of cactus.

where did you get this one?

[djmattz0r]

I ordered it last year from cactuslands, the picture of it is still up on their oddities page towards the bottom actually. I am not sure of it's specific variety just going off what it was sold to me as

[AZS]

Some ariocarpus are self fertile but not all of them. Personally i collect pollen when my cacti flower and store it in glass slants and it keeps good for a long ass time. Some get good results by just self polinating the single flowers by rubbing a cue tip around inside of it to fertilize it.

The flowers form berry pods like most plants and in nature they typically shoot out the seeds, though i think this is from them sinking into the ground more and pressure is put on the dry seed pot which then bursts.

ever notice any berry seed pods? what happens to the flower after it is done?

Tried Q-tips, Camel hair and Sable hair brushes - no seeds produced

The flowers just shrivel and die - no pods form

If someone sends me pollen in Sept. I will share give you any seeds produced

Edited May 26, 2014 by AZS

[Hellonasty]

@ Billy, The Bravoanus is also a hybrid and I don't know what the father was unfortunately

Here is a nice Ariocarpus Retusus CV Cauliflower, which is starting to show the trait more as it matures, I hope it continues in this fashion.

[Philocacti]

When my A. Fissuratus graft flowered the first time, it produced 1 flower if I remember correctly. I hand pollinated it and nothing happened. The following season three specimen flowered from 2-6 flowers each and I also hand pollinated them. 6 months later only the grafted to Stenocereus (not the oldest one) produced 4 seed pods.

I read that after pollination it could take them a whole year to produce the fruits.

[BillyThKid]

@ Billy, The Bravoanus is also a hybrid and I don't know what the father was unfortunately

Here is a nice Ariocarpus Retusus CV Cauliflower, which is starting to show the trait more as it matures, I hope it continues in this fashion.

Hey i saw cacti like this for sale like MAD on ebay but they all got insane priced within a day or two. Where did you get yours?

When my A. Fissuratus graft flowered the first time, it produced 1 flower if I remember correctly. I hand pollinated it and nothing happened. The following season three specimen flowered from 2-6 flowers each and I also hand pollinated them. 6 months later only the grafted to Stenocereus (not the oldest one) produced 4 seed pods.

I read that after pollination it could take them a whole year to produce the fruits.

I heard it depends on growing methods. Flowering happens in the fall in their natural habitat, Then they go dormant.

I think maybe the plant needs to be dormant to produce proper seed and flower. maybe not. we shale see

[Philocacti]

The ones I have do flower in autumn, although the go dormant I water them 3 times during winter. They're all grafted though.

[Hellonasty]

@ Billy, I grow nearly all my plants from seed, this plant was grown from seed and grafted to Hylocereus after 20days. It was degrafted last season and is growing on its own roots now.

Edited May 26, 2014 by Hellonasty

[BillyThKid]

@ Billy, I grow nearly all my plants from seed, this plant was grown from seed and grafted to Hylocereus after 20days. It was degrafted last season and is growing on its own roots now.

Im with you. i have a huge little green dot collection. 10 month old ariocarpus from 4 different species/subspecies.

De-grafting ariocarpus has been reported to be very very hard. what was your method? with aztekium hey actually require a slight amount of moisture to root and not shrivel up. WB ariocarpus?

how many ariocarpus plants do you have roughly? if my count is right i have at least 25.

I have an Ariocarpus which i want you to take a look at. It is a natural Twin ariocarpus trigonus. it came up from seed with a little side shoot dwarf twin. it has grown some. this picture is about 2 months old making the plant 8 months old in this picture i believe.

I had minor sun stress in the early months of winter while i was working under artificial light, but they recovered fine.

[Myeloblast]

@myeloblast You have an amazing collection. Your Lloydii look almost like haworthia plants haha. on the note of Trigonus and confusus though: To my understanding they are both sub species of retusus. At least according to E. F. Anderson, read the first paragraph which is the summary it says trigonus is a sub species of retusus

http://www.living-rocks.com/anderson.htm

That website has the most up to date info i can find on Ariocarpus other than a few minor things.

Interesting article, something I hadn't read before. Makes sense, but virtually no one actually refers to their plants as such (I can think of only 1 exception at the moment). Why not use it yourself, when referring to your seedling here?

[BillyThKid]

Interesting article, something I hadn't read before. Makes sense, but virtually no one actually refers to their plants as such (I can think of only 1 exception at the moment). Why not use it yourself, when referring to your seedling here?

there is nothing wrong with shortening it to ariocarpus trigonus for the purposes of a post or in conversation. But when you specifically brought up the issue after i mentioned it, i felt the need to offer information that might change you mind.

most of the time if im making a forum post or on my Instagram i use the full latin name of Ariocarpus retusus ssp Trigonus. but when others involved already know about trigonus and retusus it becomes kinda crazy to keep saying it.

Edited May 26, 2014 by BillyThKid

[Hellonasty]

Im with you. i have a huge little green dot collection. 10 month old ariocarpus from 4 different species/subspecies.

De-grafting ariocarpus has been reported to be very very hard. what was your method? with aztekium hey actually require a slight amount of moisture to root and not shrivel up. WB ariocarpus?

how many ariocarpus plants do you have roughly? if my count is right i have at least 25.

I have an Ariocarpus which i want you to take a look at. It is a natural Twin ariocarpus trigonus. it came up from seed with a little side shoot dwarf twin. it has grown some. this picture is about 2 months old making the plant 8 months old in this picture i believe.

I had minor sun stress in the early months of winter while i was working under artificial light, but they recovered fine.

Ario2.jpg

Is the bottom little pup attached ? Looks like two seedlings, one having germinated recently.