FOR SMOKERS - TAKE A LOOK ON THIS!

[Tomer Corymbosa]

http://www.smokingaloud.com/death.html

READ IT ALL...YOU WILL FIND IT REALLY INTRESTING!

[Tomer Corymbosa]

AND OTHER FACTS:

http://www.smokingaloud.com/index.html

[occidentalis]

quote:

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Smoking Aloud will attempt to clear the smoke from the controversial issues while probing the various claims made by the Socialist led anti-smoking movement.

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Watch out for those Socialists. They're nearly as bad as the Terrorists.

[Torsten]

why would annual death rates decrease in the U.S. as cigarette sales rates increase?

Oh dear. They show a graph from 1900 to 1990 death rates compared to tobacco consumption. This is their proof!

Even the dumbest must realise that death rates have dropped dramatically since 1900 - but obviously not because of tobacco.

I can understand tobacco companies promoting this sort of stuff, but I am puzzled why individuals would do so.

[MrBumpy]

Torsten:

I can understand tobacco companies promoting this sort of stuff, but I am puzzled why individuals would do so.

Some people will try to convince themselves of nearly anything if it makes it easier for them to continue doing something destructive.

Kinda like how when I buy a pack of cigs, that I hope I'm getting the warning "smoking harms your baby" rather then "smoking causes lung cancer"

but I really need to stop... was about to ask another question but that would probably hi-jack the thread...when I can be bothered I'll start my own.

-bumpy

[Dodie]

What a knob, why would the government say its bad but make so much money off it!

[incognito]

this is what i think is a jip-its legal to buy and smoke cigarettes/tobacco but under no circumstances can u grow it for ur personal use!!

wtf?

[AndyAmine.]

I hear ya Jono.. not only that but, you must smoke thier horrible chemical drenched, nicotine enhanced addiction sticks instead of being allowed to grow healthy, clean, organic tobbaco.

It should be bought to more of the publics attention as a health issue.. its rediculous.

[apothecary]

American Spirit cigarettes are 100% additive free, no stems, whole leaf (as in no sheet) tobacco.

Also a lil cheaper than other cigarettes.

Great for spinning. Nothing worse than ripping open a cigarette to find bits of stem and shit in there.

[onz]

American Spirit sound really nice. Went to thier website and was convinced to try. But how easy are they to buy in aus? Though I haven't looked for them, I've never seen them, or heard of'em.

[Benzedrine]

Don't know about in stores but you can buy american spirit online from aus:

Alexander Cigars

When I used to smoke I tried to convince myself it wasn't that bad but I can't say I ever really believed it. There are however a lot of these sites out there. Just google "smokers club".

[LurkiestLurker]

Hmmm... apparently China likes smoking according to this Globe and Mail article

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sorry page is using anti-hotlinking to get you to buy a news story. Try this google search instead (first result.. they let google referred request see the whole page )

[ 08. September 2005, 11:38: Message edited by: LurkiestLurker ]

[nabraxas]

after years ov mixing tobacco w/MJ because the wife wouldn't smoke neat MJ cones--even though she first started smoking in WA where the norm is to smoke it neat---i finally put my foot down. Now we are both agreed that neat dope gets us more stoned & we smoke less because we're not trying to satisfy a nicoteen craving.

[Benzito]

Good move Nabraxis.

MJ is only psychologically addictive, Nicotine is physically addictive.

I know that's what I'm hooked on.

I can feel the withdrawals right now. (I'm quitting MJ this week)

[Leo^]

Wow good luck Benz, I cant imagine quitting. Last time I tried I got so bored I went mad and did some crazy stuff so try and keep yourself busy heh

[Siggor]

stuff

Edited December 11, 2009 by spudamore

[Benzito]

To quit cigarettes, I reccomend 'Zyban' as it is sold in Australia.

I've used that stuff twice to quit (not compared to the 6 times I've used patches). And it WORKS!

When you're on it, you just don't crave nicotine. You crave a 'smoke', but not the drug itself.

And then when you finally give-in, and have a cigarette, the drug stops you getting any of the Nicotine.

So, you don't even get a buzz, you just feel like you cheated yourself, in your quitting efforts.

I've been off the cancer sticks since Feb 04 now, all thanks to Zyban.

As far as the MJ: it's easy to quit. You just have to want to.

I had my first mushroom experience on Saturday night, and they told me I need to quit. Finally, I have the willpower.

Thanks for the support.

[apothecary]

They used to sell American Spirit at my local tobacconist but stopped because apparently nobody except me and a mate were buying them lol.

We found another tobacconist in Parramatta (goddamnit, there are only like 50 of them ) that sells 'em.

There is a sticker on the pack that says "Tax Exempt outside the US" ...does this hold true for Australia? Are these cigarettes really tax exempt?

[Benzito]

They're tax exempt, in-that, you aren't paying tobacco tax to the U.S. government.

If they are imported all legit-style, then you should still be paying tobacco taxes to John Howard.

But, me and my mates used to buy Winfields that we're destined for export, without the government warning, from our local tobacconist. Back in High school. It was only the regulars who could buy them, and they we're only $5 a pack, when ciggas we're about $7-8 a pack. (Wow, that was a while ago!)

So, many a tobacconist has been known to acquire dodgy tobacco. Who knows if you're paying tax?

[Blairis78]

Hey Benz, You say you used Zyban did you not get any negative effects while taking it? I tried it about a year ago and yeah it worked but I couldnt handle the other negative psyhcological effects that go with it, I really felt like shit on the stuff. Perhaps I am too quick to blame the drug as I probably was a lot less happy last year than I am now, but I just thought that it may amplify any personal problems you may be having at the time.

[Benzito]

Blairis, to be honest, I never noticed a single side-effect. A mate I know used it aswell, and he has been on many different anti-depressants before, so is quite familiar with the side-effects of this class of drug. He also, did not notice a single side-effect.

Obviously, every person is different, but you may have made yourself feel terrible because you we're quitting.

Most people beat themself up, and allow themselves to be depressed, because they feel they are losing something they love, when they quit any drug.

After a few weeks of being clean, you should feel very positive about your new lifestyle. Or at least, make yourself feel happy, if you don't.

[ozLALA]

To smoke or not to smoke? Is it even a question? Its bad for our health - so clearly we shouldent. But somehow we still do things that are bad for us

In fact, there is not a single "for" case, its all "against". And still we do it (well, some of us do).

It would seem to me that the root of the issue is the right to do wrong (to oneself). Its like trying to find a good rationale for nihilism or the desire for oblivion. And still we do it.

For myself, in all the range of the twists and turns a smokers mind makes, through guilt, rebellion, liberation, etc, it is the sense that underlying the quit movement (indeed this quit society), is the most naive and simplistic reading of human psychology, and the assertion that there is only one way to thing - the desire for health, in its most joggerly, atkins way.

On the whole, I would say:

a. if you are gonna smoke, then smoke, and enjoy it - and be liberated by doing somethinmg that is completely unacceptable (read "Cigarettes are sublime", and blow smoke in no-smoking signs) or;

b. if you dont want to smoke, then dont (read "Easyway to quit smoking" by Allen Carr).

Its the constant guilt, and then filling everyone elses pockets from something that you cannot find the space to enjoy that is destructive. Plus, if we are gonna beleive Terence McKenna and his wave-time theory, the paranoia is just as likely to give you cancer anyway.

A bit polemical folks, but its working for me.

[nabraxas]

^^wow---what an excellent first post.

only one way to thing - the desire for health --or is it the desire for more life?

"coke adds life & everybody wants a little more"

Coca Cola advertising line from the 70's.

[Torsten]

Many people who are against smoking are not against the right to do wrong to yourself. They are against having wrong done onto them.

Personally I couldn't care less if someone smokes like a chimney as long as it doesn't interfere with my right to clean air.

But that is probably the minority of the anti smoking lobby, many of who are do-gooders that want to protect the population from themselves.... while gorging themselves on McDonalds.

[ozLALA]

It is interesting that now we want to segment the air, something that is a little too permiable for it - hey man, your air is messing with mine!

As an aside re non-smokers not minding smoking:

went away with some mates to the border, this weekend, and one frind was the most hardcore drinker of beer ever (but in a Melbourne-grunge rather than bull-horns-on-ute way).

All during the night I kept asking him for papers for a smoke, and he was like "I dont smoke -try (x)". Finally I said - "Rocko, what do you mean yu dont smoke, you smoke Champion Blue, I have sat with you at the bar for years, and seen it!". He said - "Thats because you smoke that - I am just always sitting with smokers - but I dont mind it". He went on to add "In fact, out of sympathy, I find myself bitching abaout places that dont allow smoking, like an addict". Later, the same thing happened with grass, then other things, I said "Mate, your reputation has done well considering that you are basically just a boozy irish type". He just got the rep by hanging with the right (or wrong) people....