The Hot Dog man

[santiago]

Not to be confused with an earlier thread of mine called ""Why wouldn't you eat a dog?'' http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=21913 But what the hell, i would eat a dog hotdog anyway. Maybe even a crocodile or snake or kangaroo hotdog if you could get one on the side of the street. I probably wouldnt eat a human hotdog unless we were floating in the middle of the pacific ocean it was day 22 and you were telling me to have a little resty whilst you scrape the seaweed of the side of the boat with the claw hammer in your hand. Kadoink....fell for the ol cannibal tells his guest to take a nap trick.

But my topic is today...The hot dog man.

From time to time i have turned to micro business. Well once anyway properly. It was window cleaning and it went from $300 to $30000 in 6 months. Walked away one day mid swipe, finished the job quickly and never answered the phone again. Thats the beauty of a micro business. Sure realistically i could have hired someone and went that way but i just knew that it wasnt for me so whats the point trying to push shit up a hill. Most small businesses take alot more risk than the mere $300 i invested, namely life savings and the house. Then even if it works there comes the newly established capital and employee base and all the rest of that stuff you have to deal with. Its basically impossible to give it away without massive upheaval in your life, unfortunately your life is actually a small business. Some people make it work well and i admire these people, certainly for me though i would rather a no risk, throwaway after 6 months if you dont like type of small business, what i call a micro business. I want a business to be an extension of me. Like a hand on a human body, instead of its beating, bleeding heart.

Which brings me to the hot dog stand. Im sure most of us here in Australia have seen what i mean. Outside bunnings and similar, not american style but just your good, simple, practicle normal sausage and bread and sauce and onions type thingy. Like the pics below if i was a 1 man band would be ideal.

So here in Perth, there is 1 left i think. In the city and even he is trying to be shut down. The way i understood it, they (them) didnt want the trashyness of it all, maybe dodgy dudes popping up everywhere giving people food poisoning. But it goes deeper than that. It goes into the very heart of democracy and freedom. I certainly dont assume i understand anything of the way the world really works, i may post stuff like the communist manifesto and rant on about gold and china and the like, but thats all just part of the confusion which is we all live in a world which we believe we are free, if that is the case...................sit there now for 30 seconds, close your eyes and breath. Think to yourself are you really free? If the answer is yes, then please let us all know how to be free. If the answer is no, then your openly admitting that you are modern day slave. Your being persecuted without even knowing that your life grade has already been sorted into groups of social class based on the simple premise of slavery.

Once again i digress, apologies and back to the hot dogs. Had a great debate last night with some people (humans). I said BAM. I want to buy a mini hot dog stand and go to the beach in summer or the riverside and sell hot dogs. 3K all up easy max investment.

You cant do it say my wise friends. Why not i say. They say its all got to do with putting other businesses out of pocket and being unfair becausen of its not paying rent and city councils not allowing it due to by laws and all that fucking rediculous logical pain in the ass fucking bullshit that comes with it.

But are you telling me i say...in reply that small businesses at the beachside would be so worried about being undercut by a tiny micro hot dog man, councils couldnt be bought off with a permit, small businesses on the beach basically saying to the micro man, your undercutting us and providing so much better value and that we have massively ripped of the general public for years that we wont allow any competition from a little man at all.

I thought that we were free. Americans are free right...they have hot dog stands, asian countries do that i know of. So what im really saying is that the hot dog man opitimises free spirit. If life is so bloody complicated and moderated that as this so called ''land of the free" democracy designed on the ideal and virtue of FREEDOM, isnt free at all.

Ahh but here comes the logic twist of it all. If you align yourself with Coles or bunnings or a so called charity.............or EVENT, then thats ok. So its ok to be moderated as free, so long as you join forces with the forces of big business. Travel 1km away and set up on the beach to the lower classes, no way.

Listen i might be totally wrong here and i can become a freewheeling hot dog man for the masses over here in Perth and put one across the road from plakas and co on the beachside, great you want your 10buck kebab, nice one........but you want a good ol hot dog with a bun...$3, come back anytime.

But im a slave right??

Think about it people, its not about the hotdog is it? Its about the ideal, regardless if its a hotdog or a roadside class (er sorry drug test) its about time the free minds of australia joined forces pretty soon and offered a realistic political party, seriously. Any ideas. Do we have enough numbers here to actually cause a few peaceful ripples to the establishment and open some swinging voters to what may not seem to be right now very much support, but if it was structured on a base of sanity and co-operation and lateral peaceful national thinking, who knows.

My suggestion would be "The Rational Party of Australian Socialists" or the "Hotdogs"

From Hot Dog man to prime minister, you tell me free thinkers of australia. Is it still possible for a slave to win his freedom in australia and lead the country, whether thats you or me or your best mate macca.

Maybe im talking shit but here is the test.

100 memberships available as a starting point.

if it gets too 100 well then there is actually some support enough to start to formulate a serious political plan and start registering legals etc...just register your interest by posting a definite yes or no somehow below...post a picture of a hotdog, link it, draw it...write it in red...whatever.

we all talk about stuff like this and i imagine it being a stressful and even dangerous path, is it possible to change history.............you tell me?

hot dogs-get your hot dogs...

[botanika]

Yeah it's funny, Australians are so well travelled yet were still stuck with 1970's milk bars. Street food is amazing in Asia. They say Australia is a BBQ nation yet our bbs's generally consist of steak, chops, sausages and coleslaw. Seasoning is tomato sauce. America kicks our arse when it comes to BBQ and chilli cookoffs. Mexican food in Australia - forget about it. We could have so much more in Australia - our streets at night could be really interesting but we choose to sit indoors in our suburbs watching burkes backyard or the footy show. That's the price of freedom: good ideas are met with regulations and the 'not in my backyard' sydrone.

I suggest the hotdog party push for late night shopping every night, street food streets - a permanent carnival atmosphere. And dancing Gogo girls!

[TheExplorer]

I too am a fan of the old micro business. I've set up a few and eventually abandoned them in order to have more free time (as they were always a secondary source of income). I always went in with the same attitude you do and I always at least broke-even. I've always wanted to set up a food-based micro business as I love food and I love cooking. Yet, as with your experience, there is always too much red tape to get through. The only reasonable avenues I have found are through markets or events (like festivals or doofs). However, these are usually too few and far between as to warrant investing my time, money and effort; as the numbers are never guaranteed and on a bad day you may not even cover the money you spent on petrol to get there. Basically, I have always wanted to setup somewhere with a guaranteed high traffic flow and not have to spend the first half of my day trying to recuperate my costs just for being there. At this stage it becomes more of a small business, rather than a micro business, as you have to invest more resources and therefore become committed to the cause.

Your story actually reminds me of a guy I met (who I was actually looking to purchase a mobile cart from) who had set up his own little micro business years ago. Basically he bought a tuk-tuk, registered it (which would probably be impossible these days), threw a BBQ on the back, and then waited outside major sporting stadiums for punters who wanted to complement their bellies full of beer with a nice sausage sandwich. He was making a lot of money and decided to expand by purchasing more tuk-tuks and then getting others (friends who wanted to make some cash and such) to run them around to different hotspots. Eventually Sydney Council caught wind of his little venture and shut him down.

After travelling through Asia recently I was amazed at the free-market competition which exists in their streets. As a result there are more options, better prices, a great vibe in the streets and arguably better food (as it is their pride and joy and often their only source of income). As you said, it all comes down to money and bureaucracy. We aren't truly free.

[Slybacon]

+1

[incognito]

theres a fellow here that goes around to all the local footy games selling GOOD coffee out of the back of his van.its freezing cold and all the mums and dads and family that are forced to get out in the cold and watch their kids play cue 10 deep for coffee for the day. coffees are 4.50 but they are big ones, and the coffee is fucking good. as i always see him most weekends i asked him what kind of money he makes. he said for the duration of the footy season he puls from 1000 to 3000 a weekend. he does the rugby union on saturdays and league on sundays. he mainly trys to focus on junior league because in the senior league most of the spectators are just drinking piss. he said he mainly just works the winter, but sometimes if theres a big road construction in the vacinity he rocks up there at smoko for the workers. good idea i thought!!! my neighbour in mullum used to seell gourmet sausages in a bun at local markets and the mardi grass. he used to make good money there as well.

[Distracted]

My father always wanted to go to the beach on a hot day and sell cans of coke for $2 each out of an esky but was afraid of being shut down.

Melbourne has tonnes of roasted chestnut carts in the CBD, I remember there was even one in the franklin train station when I went over. Seemed odd as you'd never see anything like that in Adelaide.

[botanika]

theres a fellow here that goes around to all the local footy games selling GOOD coffee out of the back of his van.its freezing cold and all the mums and dads and family that are forced to get out in the cold and watch their kids play cue 10 deep for coffee for the day.

There used to be a boat that went around pittwater with a coffee machine and muffins onboard. Good job - boating around picturesque waterways selling coffee to rich guys on their yachts and sexy girls in bikini's at the beach!

[Zen Peddler]

There is a bloke that BBQ's chestnuts at night near where i love on fridays.

[qualia]

those chestnut stands in melbourne are hardcore. you can smell them from a block away, walking down the street on a typical melbourne winters day smelling warm, fresh roasted nuts....what hope do you have?

[qualia]

Your story actually reminds me of a guy I met (who I was actually looking to purchase a mobile cart from) who had set up his own little micro business years ago. Basically he bought a tuk-tuk, registered it (which would probably be impossible these days), threw a BBQ on the back, and then waited outside major sporting stadiums for punters who wanted to complement their bellies full of beer with a nice sausage sandwich. He was making a lot of money and decided to expand by purchasing more tuk-tuks and then getting others (friends who wanted to make some cash and such) to run them around to different hotspots. Eventually Sydney Council caught wind of his little venture and shut him down.

 

so is there any reason why? did he not have the right permits etc? i'm not sure what it's like in other states, but in melbourne they seem to always go on about diversity and "vibrant city culture", it's what they market. i can't see why a nut stand would win out over a hot-dog stand, so maybe it's just a matter of getting the right permits? i'm sure NY HD stands have permission/permits to be there. so yeah, the red tape may seem shit, but i don't see how you're going to change it, so just work with it. oh, and make sure you sell some non meat fake dogs for us leftist commy pinko socialist greeny types, you know, diversity is key and all.

[TheExplorer]

so is there any reason why? did he not have the right permits etc? i'm not sure what it's like in other states, but in melbourne they seem to always go on about diversity and "vibrant city culture", it's what they market. i can't see why a nut stand would win out over a hot-dog stand, so maybe it's just a matter of getting the right permits? i'm sure NY HD stands have permission/permits to be there. so yeah, the red tape may seem shit, but i don't see how you're going to change it, so just work with it. oh, and make sure you sell some non meat fake dogs for us leftist commy pinko socialist greeny types, you know, diversity is key and all.

 

Yep, he didn't have a permit. But that is what Santiago is talking about. Why can't someone set up a stall anywhere and sell food?

[AndyAmine.]

Umm, because they could kill people with food poisoning etc and in such a compo happy society such as ours that = massive amounts of liability so its a risky move for owner and council.

Try claiming compo for food poisoning in China. different story. = negligible amounts of liability so why not set up a hotdog stand,

Edited July 22, 2011 by AndyAmine.

[santiago]

If the issue was food poisoning why do the street corners in new york have so many in what would be deemed to be the most litigous country in the world.

Im not talking your mate colin flippin a few snags on the family bbq here andy, im talkin a semi pro setup just like you see at bunnings. its not as if food poisoning is a huge issue right, if your smart about things you ring allianz and pay 15 bucks a week insurance to cover you for this type of incident.

why is it then that those peanut sellers up above are not a risk food poisoning, why is it then written above that somebody can resell coke cans on the beach where obviously there is a demand and no risk of food poisoning, i think you will find that it has nothing to do with food poisoning andy and thats probably a convienient excuse if any.

its about encroaching on small to medium size business i feel, they wont stand for a little guy undercutting them. if so then coles can sell milk for $1 per litre but realistically the corner deli cant so if you get my gist this is leading somewhere more insidious.

personally i cant stand by and waste my life being a slave anymore, slaves are meant to revolt right?? wasnt there a big teary eyed historical page when africans or other races broke away from slavery, no they didnt they just broke into our slavery, the modern day lie you live everyday................well it might only be a hotdog to some, and personally i think 99% of people love slavery buy for me i have questions that need answered, alot of you cry foul when your civil liberties to grow cacti might be repealed, the why the ignorance toward other related topics, a hotdog on the beach is exactly the same as a cacti in your backyard, its just the symbolism you want to choose and ideal you fight for that differs.

maybe i need to go interview the council and that one last hotdog man that stands in the perth cbd to get some answers.

i think it is better to attempt an escape from prison than just sit there and wait to die, regardless if you fail.

that is what the ..

HOTDOG PARTY stands for.

[botanika]

Contact your local chamber of commerce.

[santiago]

im really looking for feedback here, tell me sensibly with pure logic somebody with a spark of knowledge why you cannot set up a professional hotdog stand at the beach in perth ond or resell coca cola from eskies, yet the jiffy food van can drive around with clapped up piece of shit vans with stale food and sell it. why can dodgy old men come and sell you flowers at a nightclub but not a hotdog or coke.

thank you botanika i will go there.

i re-iterate this is about ideals and freedom not the hotdog per se.

wakey wakey people, forget about your next mortage payment for the moment and if the tyres have enough tyre shine on them on your car, yes your hair looks great at the washing is done.............is that the way you want to live your life or do you want to buy a cheap feed and a can of coke on the beach in summer, or do you want a latte served on a gold embossed towellete only in your exclusive club.

dont worry about the poor old hotdog conundrum, pretty soon you will be getting busted for that rogue acacia in your back garden, im starting to wonder why my local police station just ripped up the hundreds of acacia they had in the garden and just repaced them with another garden style similar to an ellenbrook designer garden- its coming people, your already in the slow boiling pot and you dont even know the temperature is rising.

from what i have seen here alot of people talk the talk but dont walk the walk, who is gonna save you.............yourself, us, greenpeace, ega........nobody is gonna save you but YOU.

no offense here but from people i know who read or have heard about the forums here they simply think that we are a bunch of stoners and drug abusers- are you?? no wonder society doesnt give a shit about our rights then if thats what people think you are if indeed you are, can you walk your talk??

i cant not yet as this is a gag, we have 2 members in 3 days, myself and slybacon...................i think that is bloody amazing personally, at that rate we could have 128 members in 21 days, then do the maths after that.

go out to your backyard now and look at your plants, then look yourself in the face in the mirror and ask yourself if you deserve them or you are just a faceless nameless avatar on a empty screen of which nobody cares.

i care and you do have rights, you deserve rights and its about time you fucking demanded rights.

get off your ass and make it happen, 100 members and this aint no gag and we start changing history, do you want to go to your death bed and flashback over your life and realise you didnt even give it a go- you are free, you are not a slave.

[Seldom]

 

Edited July 23, 2011 by humanzee

[Quill]

My father always wanted to go to the beach on a hot day and sell cans of coke for $2 each out of an esky but was afraid of being shut down.

Melbourne has tonnes of roasted chestnut carts in the CBD, I remember there was even one in the franklin train station when I went over. Seemed odd as you'd never see anything like that in Adelaide.

 

In a town in the hills there is an old guy that would setup a chestnut cart to the main road and you could smell the delciousness in the next town,he used to park it in front of the supermarket. Man, they were some deliciousness