radio music

[chnt]

sometimes when i'm driving with my gf and we're really bored we decide to put on the radio to judge shit music and laugh at it in disgust.

today was one of those days, we generally cant listen to one station for more than 10 or 20 seconds, but yeah..

so i turn on my car to drive home tonight, and it's on one of the latest hits stations, and some dudes are discussing some new song by some chick..

and they're saying that it sounds familiar to some song by jewel, and they play a small portion of both songs, the other dude was like nah nah i dont hear it,

and they're bickering and shit and they decide to get people to call up and say whether they think it's similar or not..

i dont really care if those songs were similar or not, i wasn't paying too much attention but they did sound similar, but why i'm writing this is because..

dont those fucking douches on the radio realise that 90% of the songs they play sound like the other 90%?

all the fucking katy perry and rihanna and lmfao and taio cruz and pitbull ft t pain ft douche face ft etc etc etc and usher and kesha and blah blah blah,

it's all the fucking same and they listen to it all 50 times a day, yet they never ever bring up similarities within every single song,

the same beats, the same synths, the same melodies, the same lyrical themes, sometimes even the same lyrics verbatim, i mean jesus fucking christ..

why the fuck do you bring up some obscure jewel shit when you're drowning in an abundance of the same shit every single fucking day you fucking douche bag cunts...

and the other 10% are the token "other" songs that are the same as the other token songs that come and go semi-frequently, ie the "sad" song, the "funk" song, the "we're rich and famous but we can relate to you" song.

please go fucking die

yeah thanks.

[Foo]

Ke$sha rocks my world

[nabraxas]

grumpy old people ov the world unite

[tipz]

 

 

- this here is the shit !

[qualia]

[Distracted]

edit: damn you qualia

Edited July 16, 2011 by Distracted

[chnt]

thank you so much qualia.

[coin]

accepting other people's personal taste and sense of aesthetics takes some maturity :-)

it's the lyrical content that's more concerning (esp. that pertaining to interpersonal relationships)

but i still think you seem a bit hard up for things toward which you can aim your own frustrations. maybe stop turning on the radio for laughs when it obviously makes you angry

oh, and, baby i was born this way.

[chnt]

i wont deny that it angers me greatly, but i have to completely disagree with your position, it's not about personal tastes but rather the commercialised world we live in and how the media controls the masses and uses that control to influence and stupify them and turn them into mindless "happy consumers" to reference bill hicks, and to turn off their minds so big business can do what ever they wont with no repercussions.

[random]

Sounds like a severe case of music-ism to me.

[coin]

i wont deny that it angers me greatly, but i have to completely disagree with your position, it's not about personal tastes but rather the commercialised world we live in and how the media controls the masses and uses that control to influence and stupify them and turn them into mindless "happy consumers" to reference bill hicks, and to turn off their minds so big business can do what ever they wont with no repercussions.

 

okay

next come the conspiracy theories

I don't like much music on commercial radio but I still find it interesting how it evolves (even if you insist it all sounds the same) because I'm very interested in music in general.

it's called pop[ular] music for a reason...it's preferred by the majority of the populace. It seems like it would be similar to get really pissed off because so many people wear jeans & t-shirts & runners that have a recognisable name on them.

I get what you're saying but your cynicism is only making you unhappy ... you're obviously immune to the mass media's attempts at stupifying you, so just don't worry and enjoy your life & stop listening to popular music just a warning also, if you haven't watched TV for a while, you might want to keep that up as well. also, don't go to the movies, read the newspaper, look at the side of a bus, go to a 'mall' or visit a "dot com". don't answer phone numbers you don't recognise...someone may be trying to sell you something.

(not taking the piss...just playing)

[chnt]

haha dude i actually do most of those things...

i watch tv shows and movies though, but on my computer and with no ads in between, obviously i cant filter our 100% of advertising, i dont watch tv, i generally dont listen to the radio apart from previously mentioned, or if i'm subjected to it say at a play of employment or something, and i dont watch the news or read the paper, i do read some news on forums like this and i watch media watch but that's about it.

i just feel like there's a lot to be angry about in this world, and i do have a lot of anger within me, but that's only one part of me, many parts make up my whole.

edit: typo

Edited July 19, 2011 by chnt

[coin]

oh yeah...thank g*d for torrents yeah, fox fm all day while you're trying to work -

yeah, i'm hearing you...personally I hate romance, pop psychology & people that line up to get the free big red pointing hands at coles (last reference may be lost on you)

[chnt]

nah unfortunately i've seen/heard one of those coles ads.. i'd like to keep that memory repressed

[FancyPants]

Yeah I try not to judge, but you can't help but get aggrovated by the definition of "popular" music must mean "average."

[Rabaelthazar]

i just feel like there's a lot to be angry about in this world, and i do have a lot of anger within me, but that's only one part of me, many parts make up my whole.

 

There's a lot to be happy about in this world as well.

If you do need to be angry at something, pop music seems a pretty insignificant dot on the surface of things wrong in the world.

Turn on PBS, or a community radio station if you want some different music.

One role of music is to help people connect and come together over a shared experience. While I don't particularly like Katy Perry's music, I'm sure there are some 9 year old girls bonding over it now who will relive the memory of today's pop music in 20 years time. When I was 9, I listened to Bananarama and Rick Astley (amongst other things - just trying to pinpoint the poppest), certainly no more intelligent than the music on Fox FM these days. I grew in my musical taste but the pop music I liked as a kid was a stepping stone on my musical journey.

I reckon relax, Chnt. Not worth getting upset about. Channel your anger into something that can improve the world.

Peace.

[chnt]

There's a lot to be happy about in this world as well.

If you do need to be angry at something, pop music seems a pretty insignificant dot on the surface of things wrong in the world.

Turn on PBS, or a community radio station if you want some different music.

One role of music is to help people connect and come together over a shared experience. While I don't particularly like Katy Perry's music, I'm sure there are some 9 year old girls bonding over it now who will relive the memory of today's pop music in 20 years time. When I was 9, I listened to Bananarama and Rick Astley (amongst other things - just trying to pinpoint the poppest), certainly no more intelligent than the music on Fox FM these days. I grew in my musical taste but the pop music I liked as a kid was a stepping stone on my musical journey.

I reckon relax, Chnt. Not worth getting upset about. Channel your anger into something that can improve the world.

Peace.

 

i have to disagree with you there.

i agree there are many significant things to be angry about, but i also think that the entertainment industry and the media are hugely significant.

raising one of the many points on this issue, how old do you think children are when they start watching music video programs?

like morning rage on the weekends on abc, or how many families have foxtel and their children watch mtv or channel v?

have you seen pop music video clips?

do you know what themes are brought up in pop music lyrics and in their music videos?

do you think it's ok for imppessionable people under the age of say 18 to be influenced by these things?

do you know what the norm is for young people?

getting drunk and going clubbing

what do these pop songs promote in the majority of what you hear?

how about 10 year old girls being subjected to rappers calling women bitches and seeing slutty chicks in almost no clothes dancing in an extremely sexual way?

how about their pop idols like katy perry and rihanna and ke$ha and britney spears who wear almost nothing and sing about drinking and having sex and dance slutty in minimal clothes in their clips?

have you seen katy perry's new clip for last friday night?

here's a portion of the lyrics from that song:

There's a stranger in my bed,

There's a pounding my head

Glitter all over the room

Pink flamingos in the pool

I smell like a minibar

DJ's passed out in the yard

Barbie's on the barbeque

There's a hickie or a bruise

Pictures of last night

Eended up online

I'm screwed

Oh well

It's a black top blur

But I'm pretty sure it ruled

Last Friday night

Yeah we danced on tabletops

And we took too many shots

Think we kissed but I forgot

Last Friday night

Yeah we maxed our credit cards

And got kicked out of the bar

So we hit the boulevard

Last Friday night

We went streaking in the park

Skinny dipping in the dark

Then had a menage a trois

Last Friday night

Yeah I think we broke the law

Always say we're gonna stop-op

Whoa-oh-oah

the video clips parodies the typical "loser" in highschool with braces and ultra-nerdiness, making fun of them, do you think that behaviour is acceptable, do you think it's ok for a pop idol to promote making fun of the "loser" type or people with braces? do you have any idea what school kids are like?

do i need to go on?

this is just one aspect of why this shit makes me so angry and why it should anger anyone with at least half a brain, i'm not trying to suggest you have half a brain or less and i'm not trying to insult you, i just feel like this is a really huge and important issue, and people shouldn't downplay it as simple pop music.

it's not ok.

[synchromesh]

Once you've found the real stuff you never go back.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc-aEYPPe7w

[qualia]

LMFAO - if you want to see the depths pop music has plunged to, go watch some of this shit on utube.

[synchromesh]

Huh?

[santiago]

i think he means LMFAO the pop group not the shortened web talk syncro.

when i was out a few weeks back i saw a massive lineup outside EVE club and the shuffle song was on inside the club, there was some dude in the lineup with bright yellow skin tight pants and a look on his face like he needed to do a really big poo and he was doing the SHUFFLE.

now i really understand why they are called LMFAO, not only was this dick in the yellow pants 15-20 years too late for the acid house and techno movements where the shuffle was commonplace history, even those dudes 20 years ago were 100 years behind the tap dancers who invented the shuffle............but i digress back to the yellow panted dickwad in the lineup.............if your reading this dude i think you really have wasted your life, the shuffle just aint cool dude in any century. LMFAO (web talk) hahaha.

[synchromesh]

Oh, right... Thanks, santiago.

[Rabaelthazar]

i have to disagree with you there.

 

No sweat. I still think you're taking the matter too seriously, but that's your prerogative.

raising one of the many points on this issue, how old do you think children are when they start watching music video programs?

like morning rage on the weekends on abc, or how many families have foxtel and their children watch mtv or channel v?

 

Obviously, different kids start getting into it at different ages, but I'd guess an average of about ten years old. I was eight when I started watching Rage and I would have been among the first kids in my year level to get interested in music other than what I'd hear from my parents' record collection. Maybe he average has lowered since then, but somewhere around there.

have you seen pop music video clips?

do you know what themes are brought up in pop music lyrics and in their music videos?

 

Yes, I have. I have a two year old son and we watch Rage together fairly regularly. Not every week, but perhaps once every three weeks. We don't do a lot of tv at our house. We watch an hour of ABC for kids on weeknights and other than that, Rage is really the only other time the tv is turned on. Are you shocked that I allow such a young person to be subjected to the themes brought up in pop music and in their music videos?

do you think it's ok for imppessionable people under the age of say 18 to be influenced by these things?

 

These things exist in our world: sex, drugs, violence, discrimination, war, sickness, disability, abuse, etc... always have and probably always will. I don't have control over that, but I do have some level of control over how I help my children to understand those things and to learn the difference between right and wrong. Sheltering/hiding my children from the negative things in the world is not the way to help them learn the difference between right and wrong in my opinion.

Our children will come across these things that you seem so worried about from watching tv, from seeing a pair of strangers arguing in the street, from suffering negativity from a peer or an elder, from seeing a homeless man in the city, from being teased for being different in some way or other and from a whole heap of sources.

At the age of two, is my son going to be negatively affected by seeing Katy Perry dancing in a bikini? I don't believe so. As he grows older and does become more impressionable, is he going to be more influenced by the television or by the lessons I take the responsibility of teaching him? If I do my job correctly, then I believe it will be the latter. If I were too lazy to take the time to teach him how to develop his own moral compass then perhaps tv would be an issue, but I don't intend to be a lazy parent.

do you know what the norm is for young people?

getting drunk and going clubbing

 

As has been the norm for young people for for decades (the clubs change, but the alcohol (and drugs and sex and violence) stays the same.

what do these pop songs promote in the majority of what you hear?

how about 10 year old girls being subjected to rappers calling women bitches and seeing slutty chicks in almost no clothes dancing in an extremely sexual way?

how about their pop idols like katy perry and rihanna and ke$ha and britney spears who wear almost nothing and sing about drinking and having sex and dance slutty in minimal clothes in their clips?

 

The vast majority of songs are about sex and have been ever, even going back to classical musicians like Debussy, certainly in the early jazz medium, operas, rock and roll, you name it. People write songs about sex because people like sex. I like sex, I assume you like sex. You mum and dad liked sex, jeez, even your grandparents liked sex. It's genetically built into us. In some respects, you could say that it is our most important and most basic instinct. My two year old son will like sex one day. I don't feel the need to pretend to him that it doesn't exist.

Here are a couple of videos I remember from when I was younger. Despite the overtly sexual nature of these videos, my generation has turned out alright. I think the new generation will make it through Katy Perry's "Last Friday Night"

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gudEttJlw3s

this is just one aspect of why this shit makes me so angry and why it should anger anyone with at least half a brain, i'm not trying to suggest you have half a brain or less and i'm not trying to insult you, i just feel like this is a really huge and important issue, and people shouldn't downplay it as simple pop music.

it's not ok.

 

I can understand why people with half a brain could get upset about the prevalence of sex in the media... thankfully I have a fully operational brain so can recognise that it's a pretty insignificant thing in terms of the bigger picture (that's not meant to be an insult to you, either, I'm talking more about the general "up in arms" section of the community). There's so much complaining about the inappropriateness of what's beamed into our heads but the thing is, we can choose how it affects us. We can educate our younger generation so that they can grow up choosing how it affects them as well.

On a final note, there's good and crap music in all genres. There's classic rock and there's terrible rock. There's amazing classical music and frightfully boring classical music. There's great jazz and then there's Kenny G.

I've reached my video limit in this post, so please see below for a few examples of pop gems from the last few years. There's plenty of decent stuff out there in amongst the crap. If you turn the radio off after 20 seconds, you could miss out on something you really like (you might just have to put up with a little Ke$ha on the way).

Peace.

Edited July 19, 2011 by Rabaelthazar

[Rabaelthazar]

 

This girl is full of musical talent and the lyrics are really meaningful. I saw this song on Rage and ended up buying the album on the basis of this tune. Has turned out to be a great cd.

 

This track isn't particularly amazing, but nice and groovy with a good clip too. Edited July 19, 2011 by Rabaelthazar

[Rabaelthazar]

 

This band is made up of the guy who produced one of Lily Allan's albums (Greg Kurstin) and a jazz singer (Inara George). Regardless of what you think of the music itself, there's no denying that the production is very well done with generous lashings of musical intelligence.

 

And this one is lyrically very powerful and a beautiful piece of music. John Mayer is doing the pop thing - but there's not a trace of Lady GaGa or Katy Perry in his music (thank the lord). Edited July 19, 2011 by Rabaelthazar