Yawning Man Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/police-gain-new-antiterror-search-powers-20101115-17uit.html Police have been given new powers to enter a home without a warrant under new anti-terror laws. Labor and the coalition voted together in the Senate on Monday to pass the legislation, and defeat a series of Green amendments. Federal Attorney-General Robert McClelland said the legislation would give the Australian Federal Police and security agencies the tools they needed to fight terrorism, with appropriate safeguards. "Our national security and counter-terrorism laws will be exercised in a just and accountable way," he said in a statement. Police have gained new powers to enter premises without a search warrant in emergency terror situations where there is material that may pose a risk to the health or safety of the public. The time available for police to re-enter a premise under a search warrant has been extended from one hour to 12 in emergencies. The legislation also disregards a seven-day detention limit for someone arrested on suspicion of terrorism. There is also a presumption against bail, and an expansion of the "urging violence" offence so that it applies to individuals and groups who incite violence on the basis of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality or political opinion. The National Security Information (Criminal and Civil Proceedings) Act 2004 has been amended to speed up national security and counter-terrorism court proceedings. The legislation also establishes a joint parliamentary committee on law enforcement to monitor the Australian Federal Police and the Australian Crime Commission. Speaking in support of the bill, opposition legal affairs spokesman George Brandis said terrorist activities needed to be defeated at their source. "One of the most insidious ways in which terrorism may be promoted and almost glorified is for the conduct of terrorists to be characterised as martyrdom or some other glamorous form," he said. "Terrorism is nothing but murder." Australian Greens legal affairs spokesman Scott Ludlam later moved a series of amendments but was shot down by both the major parties. He unsuccessfully sought to remove the word "indirectly" from terrorist acts. Senator Ludlam also objected to the clause about material assistance, arguing peace activists blocking a naval ship heading to war could be charged. But the government argued legitimate protests would not be criminalised. Edited November 15, 2010 by Yawning Man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lofty86 Posted November 16, 2010 "Police have gained new powers to enter premises without a search warrant in emergency terror situations where there is material that may pose a risk to the health or safety of the public." I know in QLD they can already enter your premesis on grounds of suspicion and ive witnessed situations where telling the police they could not enter without a warrant was deemed as suspicious so they apparently had the power to enter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yawning Man Posted November 16, 2010 It's stuff like this that makes me think maybe the New World Order conspiracy is actually true. Really, they're allowed to do so much without consent from anybody. In fact they could almost do whatever the fuck they want and not be held accountable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicdirt Posted November 16, 2010 It's stuff like this that makes me think maybe the New World Order conspiracy is actually true. Really, they're allowed to do so much without consent from anybody. In fact they could almost do whatever the fuck they want and not be held accountable. The screen has only just slammed shut after Clinton left and now we get this. How much cash went under the table for this deal to get through. It's just too easy to manipulate our politicians given how greedy they all are. What's the bet they start talking about becoming a republic again soon. Now we've all been disarmed they can do whatever they want. This country is showing many parallels to the actions taken by Kaiser Wilhelm 2 and the changes he made in Germany. His changes paved the way for Fuehrer and the result is history. We're headed down a one way street towards a dictatorship under the guise of democracy. I say we should run the country like jury duty with decisions being made by a cross section of citizens that can't make any financial gain from their decisions. Hard to implement and administer and in no way perfect I know, but there is way too many thumbs in pies in Australia and this sort of legislation is the result. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synchromesh Posted November 16, 2010 Gotta keep the fear alive baby! I say we should run the country like jury duty with decisions being made by a cross section of citizens that can't make any financial gain from their decisions.Hard to implement and administer and in no way perfect I know, but there is way too many thumbs in pies in Australia and this sort of legislation is the result. Hold a referendum to abolish the States and replace them with fifty regional councils based on direct democratic principles. http://vote1josephtoscanovictoriansenateticket2010.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
santiago Posted November 16, 2010 well on monday channel 9 news perth reported that the nationals blocked the police stop and search laws and also that the law aimed at the bikies, whatever it was called....anti association laws was blocked too, so its probably too soon to start thinking that just because some polly or police law maker thinks of a new way to adjust human liberty that its automatically going to happen. our attourney general actually thanked the nationals and the people who fought the anti association laws as now they lost the test case they now know what they did wrong and wont make that mistake again next time, but for the moment i see that as a win for the common man and im sure between their gritted teeth they do to......for now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mac Posted November 16, 2010 (edited) material that may pose a risk to the health or safety of the public. This way they only have to find cleaning chemicals, fuels & solvents, pool acids chlorine, nail polish remover or whatever Its just another loophole so they can do whatever they like (to whoever they like) without being held accountable for false search & seizures. risk to the health Oh bugger hide the ciggys Edited November 16, 2010 by mac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naja naja Posted November 17, 2010 H2O is dangerous too, how many people drown in it every day? Maybe we could sue them for piping hazardous materials right to out houses. Or electricity for that matter, damn dangerous stuff that is. Loosly word things so we can encompass everything if we choose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickapop Posted November 17, 2010 Am I the only one that doesnt really care? I dont want to sound like a dickhead but I sat here for a good 15 minutes trying to think if this would effect me or anyone else I know. I got nothing. So the police can search your home under suspicion of terrorism without a warrant? Cool. Im all for it. So they rock up to your door and search your house under suspicion of terrorism and find a lounge room full of cannabis......fucking unlucky that is...must of gave them a reason....like maybe your an idiot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bℓσωηG Posted November 17, 2010 Yeah sure why not, prison guards dont need a warrant to shake down a cell looking for contraband such as tobacco ,porn and shanks so why pretend we are any different or have more rights than prisoners? Im all for keeping it real and no doubt any opposition to the Israelie war machine and those "radicals" who question the Zionist dominance of world governence are defo a threat ,its all just leik they tell arse "Its all to keep us safe"zzzzzz... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickapop Posted November 17, 2010 Yeah sure why not, prison guards dont need a warrant to shake down a cell looking for contraband such as tobacco ,porn and shanks so why pretend we are any different or have more rights than prisoners? so thats whats going to happen yeah?? they gonna come to our homes one by one and search it like a prison cell? Nooooooo not my porn...please dont take my porn.....you you new world order zionist pig. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synchromesh Posted November 17, 2010 Am I the only one that doesnt really care? No, of course you aren't. In fact, there's a tonne of apathetic people in the world! Eight-Year-Old on TSA Terrorist Watchlist Gets Frisked Do You Fit the Terrorist Profile? The making of the terror myth One Hundred Naked Citizens: One Hundred Leaked Body Scans (Video) Schoolboy, 15, held as terror suspect after taking photos of railway station for GCSE project Unraveling the Myth of Al Qaida 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickapop Posted November 17, 2010 apathetic heh? terrorism is a beef up?? terrorism is being used politically? nooo really? police searching homes without warrants is also a beef up. Its as real as you want it to be it wont effect any of you guys..dont even sweat it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magicdirt Posted November 17, 2010 Orwellian All we need now is thought police - the UK is getting close with computer modelling of crowds to spot individuals who might be about to commit a crime. If they are doing it there you can bet we wont be far behind, if we aren't already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mac Posted November 17, 2010 (edited) No, of course you aren't. In fact, there's a tonne of apathetic people in the world! Well they are apathetic unless and until it begins to affect their personal circumstances, then they will cry How Could WE let this happen Edited November 17, 2010 by mac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickapop Posted November 17, 2010 Or you could ask yourself what did I do to gain attention? How did/could I let this happen? If its a case of mistaken identity / innocence then.... What am I going to do about it? "How could WE let this happen?" is a mute question Imo It was always going to happen and there is nothing we could ever do about it. But I can do everything about it. A good start is how I project myself in this world The extreme worst case scenario is becoming an enemy of the state Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naja naja Posted November 18, 2010 like the first people targeted under anti terror laws in NZ were greenpeace! Surely we want to allow the popo to stop the steve irwin? Fucking terrorists of the highest degree if I ever saw. Or maybe just " we finally got a law to fuck the bastaards over" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mescalito Posted November 18, 2010 Or you could ask yourself what did I do to gain attention? How did/could I let this happen? If its a case of mistaken identity / innocence then.... What am I going to do about it? "How could WE let this happen?" is a mute question Imo It was always going to happen and there is nothing we could ever do about it. But I can do everything about it. A good start is how I project myself in this world The extreme worst case scenario is becoming an enemy of the state Well said,basically we are already slaves to the grind,rich or poor (I prefer poor LOL). I've got long hair,pierced ears,nose-ring,full beard,thin,wear metal band T-shirts and a cap. I'm a target for the cops and the ones that want to ask the old "hey bro,do you know where...." Happened again yesterday LOL Yet my conditioning is such that I'm designed to appear against the grain because I'm "in control of MY life" yah right The war on Terrorism is Fake and constructed in such a way that fear drives our actions. It's also an undeniable excuse for authority to think up nearly any reason to keep tabs on anyone for reasons other than "Terrorism". Advertising on the TV is Terrorism IMHO,as as is the sliced and diced news coming from the very same box. FEAR hey,what an incredible power to be abused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickapop Posted November 18, 2010 (edited) The war on Terrorism is Fake and constructed in such a way that fear drives our actions. It's also an undeniable excuse for authority to think up nearly any reason to keep tabs on anyone for reasons other than "Terrorism". FEAR hey,what an incredible power to be abused. hell yeah the WoT was constructed...its a massive machine with seemingly unlimited funding...the economy thrives on it. And yeah there will be abuses no doubt with these new powers but if one just assumes they are doing it already its not a problem. Work with it people. I have heard of people living in the grey their whole lives and have never even got as much as a parking ticket. Its like you have mates that you love going to the pub with and you have mates that you refuse to go out with. Its like they project this anger without saying a word...they always end up in a fight or getting picked by somebody. Or even dealing with police...how do you carry yourself when you get pulled over for speeding? I always go the yes sir no sir have a nice day sir approach. I get my ticket and its all smiles and thats it. I know others who will argue, swear at them and just be rude and in the end they have gone over their car and given them 20+ defect notices...searched their car...and kept them there while they find every reason to arrest them when really if they just shut up they would have been gone with just 1 fine I look at it as police are just doing a job that is a shit job...shit hours and generally shit money and they are not out to get me.....I believe this projects when dealing with police or any other authority.......I have had bouncers at clubs say "no mate you cant come in you have had too much to drink"(I wasnt drunk they were just being cunts)..every time I say "no worries mate"...have a laugh and step aside... light a ciggy and before Im finished they say cmon mate in you go Im babbling lol What I rekon is its so fucking easy not to stand out Im surprised anyone gets into trouble Edited November 18, 2010 by lickapop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickapop Posted November 18, 2010 like the first people targeted under anti terror laws in NZ were greenpeace! Surely we want to allow the popo to stop the steve irwin? Fucking terrorists of the highest degree if I ever saw. Or maybe just " we finally got a law to fuck the bastaards over" lmao the WoT will never stop greenpeace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synchromesh Posted November 18, 2010 Well they are apathetic unless and until it begins to affect their personal circumstances, then they will cry How Could WE let this happen Advertising on the TV is Terrorism IMHO, as is the sliced and diced news coming from the very same box. Pretty much, yeah. Terrorism of the psyche... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nothinghead Posted November 21, 2010 hell yeah the WoT was constructed...its a massive machine with seemingly unlimited funding...the economy thrives on it. And yeah there will be abuses no doubt with these new powers but if one just assumes they are doing it already its not a problem. Work with it people. I have heard of people living in the grey their whole lives and have never even got as much as a parking ticket. Its like you have mates that you love going to the pub with and you have mates that you refuse to go out with. Its like they project this anger without saying a word...they always end up in a fight or getting picked by somebody. Or even dealing with police...how do you carry yourself when you get pulled over for speeding? I always go the yes sir no sir have a nice day sir approach. I get my ticket and its all smiles and thats it. I know others who will argue, swear at them and just be rude and in the end they have gone over their car and given them 20+ defect notices...searched their car...and kept them there while they find every reason to arrest them when really if they just shut up they would have been gone with just 1 fine Soooo, your position is that systematic oppression is all good 'cause there's a decent chance that you'll slip through the cracks anyway, and assuming you don't as long as you act in bad faith like a good little citizen and accept whatever comes down to you, fair or unfair, you might get a discount on the potential fine/jail term, and should then be thankful that you did? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest svarg26 Posted November 21, 2010 a true democracy, would have every single citizen, vote on every new law and have a chance to abolish old moronic laws. we have this little thing called the internet in every single household. you can't tell me this isn't possible.laws like this would never get voted in by the people. democracy suddenly means, the power to kick your front door in, for no good reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickapop Posted November 21, 2010 (edited) racketemensch Soooo my position is you will get more of what you want if your not a COCKhead as opposed to COCKheads who get nothing. Its Just an observation. So its obvious you dont agree with me with how you asked the question so instead of asking more questions give me some insight on how you reckon one should deal with these laws. Because this is just a start of these laws. I wanna know if I should just blend in to the street scape and not change a thing in my life or should I become a rebel? YEAH... become known to police always looking over my shoulder, cant even J-walk without the police jumping on me? What do you recommend mate? whats working for you?? Edited November 21, 2010 by lickapop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
