deepthroat, mouthfuck

[planthelper]

i haven't finished reading the whole thread yet but, mutant you did some name calling in post 133, and i'm sure it did not cause any problems but could we please avoid name calling allways....

why i am so anal about this is, because i think it's our high code of (verbal) contact, which makes this thread and the whole forum one of the best arround. imagen if just a few trolls would enter this discussion, the whole discussion would greatly suffer.

i love the discussion which suddenly happend, very good stuff, and it was not me mentioning the radiator....

gp, i picked a beauty from one of your statements, cheers!

[G*P]

 

 

see im not the only one who winces and mumbles *dickhead* at comments like this one:

 

G(randeur)... can be delicious.. * but the P(ersecution) part, not as much so. If you promise not to be offended, il promise not to offend.

[/b]

 

It really seems like psychedelics have not even imparted he tiniest piece of knowledge regarding words or language to you.

Or much of anything else- are you really trying to stir me or just neglecting to look into yourself, observing the world around. Its surely all separate, yes?

How could this happen?

Anyway, whadya talking bout meetin ppl in the real world?

 

 

"not mine though ... g*p you are clearly 'wolf b' [god b, etc] when you're sitting next to me , if you see that I might withdraw the declaration... "

 

Whadya mean mutant? I've enjoyed our exchanges.. what is wolf b?

where are the substantial and hard arguments?

I can't be certain, but maybe there comes a point when a person doesnt have to wonder anymore cos they know. You know, like a lot of theoretical debate doesnt hold water anymore.. . and instead, there could be an element of experience about things? What do you think?

Playing tiddlywinks inside the head is great..

The gorgeous part is, that most of the people who i'd like to exchange with the most here, dont need to exchange. They'll choose not to. I suppose wehavent eve nbegun to open that kind of dialogue yet.

Now with me, im enjoying my work with words, to bring my own cognition closer to the inexpressible. Heaps of fun ways to do this, I reckon.

Luckily my online entity identity, is familiar enough to be self organizing 'pieces' that I otherwise wouldnt be interested in, or even able to integrate.

Does anyone else enjoy really feeling like they can shift perceptual positions?

Incog?

Cup of tea? It'll need some mush in it ;)

Thanks planthelper

[incognito]

It really seems like psychedelics have not even imparted he tiniest piece of knowledge regarding words or language to you.

Or much of anything else- are you really trying to stir me or just neglecting to look into yourself, observing the world around. Its surely all separate, yes?

see, this may hold the tiniest bit of credit if it didnt come from someone declaring themselves a homophobe as they dont like being hit on by gay people in a gaybar.

It really seems like psychedelics have not even imparted he tiniest piece of knowledge regarding words or language to you.

never in my experience with the entheogens have they ever urged me to spin shit.

[santiago]

If you lost your penis in an accident, would you be celibate for the rest of your life, go a 180 and invest in some poppers and take it in the bum or get radical sex change surgery and become a woman. What would a homophobic sex addict do. And on the subject of deepthroat, mouthfuck would you still let Caster Semenya or Lady Gaga suck your cock?

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[G*P]

I might actually try answering the OP then.. lol. While im here, of course

A good mate has explained to me how he gets 2 out of 3 of his girlfriends to unreservedly, and easily enjoy the act of deepthroating his penis. He explains, that all the participants of his polyamorous relationship can easily and naturally inhale most, if not all of the 7.5 inches of his moderately fat member.

1 certain theory went, that the entire body is erogenous. Seemed 'fair enough' I said. He noted that women would often enjoy sucking on a finger or having their lips delicately chewed or licked during sex. He then thought of reflexology...

At another particular time in his life, every last bit of sex he was enjoying went exactly like the highest class, dirtiest porn movies. All of a sudden he realised that his sex life perfectly modelled the world in his fantasies.

Anyway he once explained how he lived in a large house with his computer in the study- the study was next to his bedroom and there was no carpet, and only thin floorboards.

Sound seemed to reverberate. Not audibly, and not always consciously- in fact rarely was he learning anything in a conscious matter->

One night he realised his g.f asked for anal. He recalled the hypnotic induction playing in the room next to him. It was called 'anal orgasm hypnosis'. Next night he played a mp3 called 'sexy dirty talk'. This was an intro into just how and why men can learn to speak sexy/dirty to women, and how to more comfortable own and express aspects of their masculinity.

Oh yeah,

amongst other ideas he'd played with was NLP, and 'anchoring'. He wondered for instance, whether he could 'anchor' and chain that association of pleasure from one body part to another. He would play with and lick the nipples, and the in a similar fashion make the same actions to the lips of her mouth. This went on with all kinds of pleasurable areas, and it was easy to notice how the clitoris corresponded to the heart, and how kissing the lips of the mouth would make the body wet in other places too. He went onto chain anchors between the vagina, the anus and the mouth.. using metaphors like ice cream, and chocolate.. and even hypnotic stories about enjoying such things.

He continued to play subaudible audioprograms and seminars, at the same time as porn and during lovemaking sessions with Mary Jane. He would watch, and observe as certain particular phenomenon occurred, even objectively noticing the changes in sexual expression that were occuring. He tells me that a couple of his g.f's will cum with only his penis in their mouth.

Hmm.. so even as some sounds he noticed could resonate from different parts of the house, and achieve communication with different parts of a womans mind, and body.. so too did he learn to speak in a way that could colour the imagination, and the body with incredible new feelings that were never previously felt.

It was as if, all at once- he realised that he found a very powerful key here.

and he put it all together, as if immediately understanding what the universe was trying to tell him.

Now, he'd always attracted women who needed some kind of healing through sex. Strange patterns of rape and abuse and neglect seemed to emerge in many of the woman who started coming to him to fulfill their wildest fantasies. porn fantasies. Im told that principles in 'the secret' might have had something to do with this, and also years of casting 'sigils' while ejaculating over his favourite porn. Given he has a big heart, aswell a fiery libido- he joined the 2 together. loving, dirty sex works really well for him these days- and in a way that collapses polarities- it seems to happen by maintaining and annihliating the paradox.

So, as I was saying- he now enjoys amazing, wild and passionate sex- (Iron hand in a velvet glove) kinds of stuff, even as his partners cultivate their sexual energy through daoist practice and meditation.

Oh, and yeh- all of them have what some people would call 'open throat syndrome'.. free from the gag reflex.. experience anal and throat-sex orgasms..

So, I hoped I stayed on topic with that-

and one last thing- he found that a nice champagne somehow stimulates just the right balance of mouth/throat tension and production of saliva. And his recommendation, that spit is the ultimate lube of all!

Hope that helps,

G*P

[mutant]

it would be sure more erotic and real and interesting if you spared the grandeur parts and the mumbo jumbo 'higher' elfy language inco regards as 'skillful word spinning' - , when 'your friend' read the girl's mind and that... lol ... it's not difficult to read a nymphos mind anyway.... a nympho is almost like a sex machine practically, anyone who's made sex with such a girl know what it's like... it's a blessing and it takes no special skills in 'understanding' it or performing it, other than liking rough and somewhat kinky sex - OK propably a decent sized organ too?. Kind of similar to a submissive/kinky girl... anyways.... so, fucking and pleasuring them is no biggy [and pleasuring oneself is guaranteed almost all o the times], what really fascinates me is the reasons, why they are doing this, and why they are sad, because they are indeed sad, many of them at least, something you don't seem to care for much... I care about the mechanics and psychanalysis of people with extraordinary sexuality.... and any extraordinary quality...

I seriously doubt that 'women who want to 'punish themselves sexually' is really something to 'take advantage' for long, not that I haven't been there sometimes... I think that many guys would see the real potential of keeping such types close as fuck objects, but I didn't feel like going on much with those lost souls... you know, its normal people living outside the norm meet such kinky, crazy, openminded etc [you get the idea] ladies more often that mainstream people. Point is I personally feel the depression when I am with this 'type' of girl sooner or later, I feel something is wrong and cannot pretend as a man that "only thing she needs is a good fuck and she will forget it" or something... Sooner or later I catch myself trying to analyze why she is like that, you know, which is of course not so pleasant for her if I try to ask questions...... anyways, its far more complex than just saying 'sexual punishment' I am convinced that 'sexual punishmen't as you put it or nymphomania is not a healthy not healing approach for the person in question, it only might relieve symptoms or creates a pleasure-allibi to escape the real deal...

Whadya mean mutant? I've enjoyed our exchanges.. what is wolf b?

yeah me too! I just don't like blurry pretentious words that pass off like the intellectual and spiritual elite, that's all.

About wold b: wolves have ranks in a pack... wolf A is the leader of the pack... there is only one wolf who is wolf A in the pack, and while I am it, you will be wolf B, that's what I mean.. it was a silly semi-joke, it implies I am a better person than you and that I have bigger dick then you too and maybe, just maybe, a bigger heart

it's aimed to your megalomania, with which I partly connect, but wanna believe I am more humble and less illusioned

[G*P]

Ah fuck,

Ok thanks man,

here you go:

There not blurry words for me. They're my words. And unfortunately im in a rush with them. These words, and any words (even other words) can be completely felt within the body. They can be entirely understood through identification!.

Now or sooner, I would have told you that my words are my bread crumbs. They're more like stones for me. Big rough, heavy and moss covered stones. Dark green, in only the way a mind could colour what is written, write? These stones are sitting by the river where I work, underneath the gently swaying Casuarina and luscious healthy, water greedy willows. and im wicked and im lazy.. and these rocks, and my written words, (spoken aloud, and inside) they're the reality of a tone of voice that I have cultivated through 5 or so years of regular chanting and heavy lifting) and as they are rehearsed, even inside my mind- as intellectually and heady and pretty as they might not even appear,

"Every day I am completely annihilated, and every morning and evening I write about it."

I do this in and with my body. Enlightenment does not exist outside the body. Well, actually it does- but it is wasn't what we really wanted anyway, was it? After all, its death.

So, rather than sitting out of focus- there is a way that person can read.. and only presented in so few words of stories

they begin to feel the very essence of the ideas that they would naturally expand upon- in way very, very special, and peculiar only to them. Only inside the reader.

Or does life seem more appealing?

Anyway with me. there is a body sitting in front of the computer. Typing.. thinking.. breathing.. writing .. moving.. eating.. serving..

and remembering the way back home. And mindmapping reality, concentrcially through visual images and lightspeeding thought with the help of allies- and revealing them to supersize before ingesting the universe- the weight, and smell and taste of planets, worlds, and universes. Re-reading my own words in packaged bundles to make sure I am never lost again this ocean of consciousness- and making sure that i'll always know how to swim - and that il never get lost in that forest either. But before I index my travels through space and time: stand like, and become the trees... flow in effortless mind with the river.. and become the stone and more of these elements in order to move them, and will them- I use all my own inner devices to feel the largest, roughest and toughest wolf A of the fucking multiverse- as I

sledge and command the tiny half tonne block of stone out of the bush with my hands alone...

as I lose myself and move as the Earth..

And finally, the bread I would have thrown- instead of the rock, is something I breathe Earth and become the world! so that I could realise something that I knew all along..

NOW

and all of the words that I write for myselves, become clearer and clearer upon re-examination to the point we can reverse this process, slow all this shit down, and find clarity inside oneself instead.

NOW

that's one of the highest way I know to serve

what I do as shaman of MySelf

and thank you in everyway for helping me do that

so im sorry to jump in from where im at, because im finding new planets to stand on ever day..

and I write my words as I can speaks them, even one word so deep as to level a building in a breath- and only because I expressed barely enough air to whisper my words: "I am the wind".

And in fact, Wolf B, these planets? I've got the lever to move them ;)hahaha. My ego will be my last gift to God.

and With the house the 3 piggies hide in, I wolf with wings to spit fire on their insubstantial shelters with roaring and earthquaking love

Heart,

G*P

p.s- the 'g.p' is wrapped over planted Earth, regreened Eden (*)

;)

[GingaNinja]

whats with all the name calling shit in this thread? it seems people that have been on SAB for a while get away with soo much more then newer memebers. hypocrisy ftw

fair enough that you disagree with someone, thats pretty common, but calling each other cock suckers etc is pretty lame

make love not war \m/

[AndyAmine.]

I once went out with what you could call a nympho and went to some group therapy sessions with her.

'nymphos' usually comes in 3 kinds, the most common is the one that uses sex as a way to feel loved and or receive attention, gain value or to make social contact etc. the second is simply addicted to the pleasure and what comes with it and the third a mix of the prior.

Its a very complicated subject and can be very unhealthy, the behaviour keeps reinforcing its self and someone taking advantage of this can sometimes be no better than a smack dealer.

[G*P]

My favourite thing, when a person becomes clearer and clearer in their universe..

is that the feedback loop becomes so obvious. Getting and giving..

Satisfying ones desires, has you also satisfying others..

and the mirror becomes so obvious.

I've know people who have done some dark things, and deep inside those blackest holes they managed to find the light instead.

What was it, that story about the samurai who attained enlightenment after killing 999 men?

I suppose it comes do to the being now right and wrong.

lol

[mutant]

Cool thread, PH, I am sure you didn't expect this when starting it

[Osprey]

how about shit as a lubricant?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

[.:Shadow:.]

My God !

This is the first time i've been in here, the first time posting in here & the last time i'll be in here lol

Sorry just a bit to much for me after dinner

[paradox]

how about shit as a lubricant?

man i have just the video for you

don't ask me how i came across this...

http://www.newsfilter.org/video/52438/Sick...o_hell_forever/

[Torsten]

Lofty - GP has demostrated in a couple of previous threads that he views himself as much more enlightened than the rest of us, so I don't think that is really anything he can backpeddle on [though I am sure he will try if it suits the situation].

Thunderideal - not having a go at you, but when I read your interpretation of homophobia I was thinking about the many times I got scared when big Somalis or Islanders walked towards me in westen sydney and kings cross respectively. It doesn't mean I will avoid such people in other situations. Being scared of someone in one situation doesn't mean you suddenly develop a phobia for every other potential memebr of that ethnic of social group. The idea that developing a phobia of gays because of getting hit on a few times seems ludicrous to me. I am sure plenty of cute gay guys also get sick of getting hit on by girls, yet that doesn't excuse them developing a prejudice.

I don't believe for a moment GP doesn't know I am gay, but for anyone else who wants to know which camp I am arguing from, yes I am [but no need to fear me as I am married ].

[G*P]

OK,

Yeah, as if I really am coming from separateness and still play with poles ;)

 

 

Etymology of the word.

 

1382 (O.E. had inlihtan), "to remove the dimness or blindness (usually figurative) from one's eyes or heart," from en- + lighten.

 

That's why I call a spade a spade.. and a gay plant loving German, a gay plant loving German (now that I know)

Its clear, neither here nor there. Until of course, you choose to cry about it. Hopefully not.

Spade.

And make your own meanings.. Ones that serve you.. and maybe your health? a little better..

Offended or otherwise, thy enlightened crew of fellow symbol shifters should be able to see few a through words or more, yes?

Especially the honcho.

Talking straight seems to cause the most trouble here..

"Fuck!"

Like I should dance around the edges of the fire and ask permission instead..

There only seem to be a couple of real peanuts about here.. (that im more enlightened than ) and they're probably the ones that consistently troll and flame other members.

[planthelper]

i used to be very phobic arround dogs, but last year's holyday and this years i have spent some time with a very big and lovly dog and he cured me of my phobia.

i guess, maybe gp has to meet onetime some realy special gay man to help him overcome his phobia.

i was scared of gay's as a young person, but that was mainly because of my stupid catholic school upbringing, since than i have met many gay people and i would say they even appreciate my being even more than other people.

i got sometimes offended by gay men wanking off there penis close to me in puplic spaces, but that would fucking never make me think in hommo phobic way's.

gp, you got a long way to go yet, and composing longish replies in a mostly very unclear way, will not be the answere to your limitations.

[ThunderIdeal]

i don't think i was heard the way i intended, never meant to say being hit on had anything to do with it... was trying to make a deeper point really but i'm not delving back into it.

[G*P]

gp, you got a long way to go yet, and composing longish replies in a mostly very unclear way, will not be the answere to your limitations.

If I stared a new thread, about enlightenment or something.. it wouldnt gather half the clarity or content that may or may not emerge from this thread..

So instead, i'll ask you here-

What do you perceive are 'my' limitations, where is this place one might try to get to, and what limitations must I answer?

---

When a friend listens, and waits turn only to speak..

This, i've realized is the core of my challenge with homo's-

Not sure if we're having a genuine chat, or whether the ambiguity which can seem so unclear,

allows a person to form their own conclusions. That is the only real 'unknown'. And it plays on straight mans mind, the way he wouldnt want to lead on a 'fugly wilderbeast' woman.

And my 'fears'.. and conclusions, that are formed before making real contact with a person of their ideas..are nothing more than desiring the direct knowledge that this man does not want to have sex with me.

Its not so much a phobia, as it just seems important these days to get it out of the way.

The consensus pattern has shifted, and so people seem to be adjusting- and doing so with radical new communications which will eventually find new balance, or so it appears.

[B. Loco]

i got sometimes offended by gay men wanking off there penis close to me in puplic spaces, but that would fucking never make me think in hommo phobic way's.

Is that a gay thing? ... i would have thought that was a mental illness not specific to orientation.

Anyway if people became 'phobic' about being hit on, then women would surely all be man-haters, right.

Torsten how did you get married? Are you talking about a civil ceremony or whatever you call it? One of my distant (female) cousins recently got 'married' right here in nsw.

[lofty86]

Is that a gay thing? ... i would have thought that was a mental illness not specific to orientation.

Its happend to me a couple of times, being followed into the toilet and having guys begin to play with themselves at the urinal. never another openenly gay guy always a seemingly straight deviot. (ive had sex in public toilets but ive always been picked up somwere else) LOL

I dont think its just homosexuals who seek out sex with men, theres a lot of deviots on the down low, i wouldnt class them as homosexual or even bi because there not capable of loving anyone but themselves and they would just as rather easily stick it in a woman,a dog, or a squid.

just selfish disgusting pigs who are on the prowel for a sexual encounter, they dont care with who.

[FancyPants]

Its happend to me a couple of times, being followed into the toilet and having guys begin to play with themselves at the urinal. never another openenly gay guy always a seemingly straight deviot. (ive had sex in public toilets but ive always been picked up somwere else) LOL

I dont think its just homosexuals who seek out sex with men, theres a lot of deviots on the down low, i wouldnt class them as homosexual or even bi because there not capable of loving anyone but themselves and they would just as rather easily stick it in a woman,a dog, or a squid.

just selfish disgusting pigs who are on the prowel for a sexual encounter, they dont care with who.

Bolded for emphasis.

I wonder how many "homophobic" straight men would turn into quivering scaredy-cats if they were to reverse gender for a day and become a woman to be the target of many sexual advances? And we're the weaker sex?

At least a man doing that next to another man might not be unequal in size/strength.

[Torsten]

Torsten how did you get married? Are you talking about a civil ceremony or whatever you call it? One of my distant (female) cousins recently got 'married' right here in nsw.

Sorry, I used that term out of convenience. I am not interested in getting married and don't understand what all the fuss is about as long as there is legal equality of the defacto relationship [eg inheritance, power of attourney, etc]. This equality should be relatively complete in the next few years thanks to the Krudd government.

I use the term 'married' to pretty much any couple who have a house and two dogs together ;). That seems to be a much bigger committment than sribbling your name on a bit of paper.

planthelper, the only guys I have ever seen wank in public were straight. Not saying that gays don't, but it seems to be more a 'male' thing than a gay thing. Oh yeah, alcohol & coke seem to play a major part too ;)

I wonder how mnay homophobes who claim to fear gays due to potential advances will turn around and do the same thing to a woman 5 minutes later?

FFS, what sort of man are you if you aren't confident enough in yourself to be able to knock someone back and take it as a compliment?

[rahli]

FFS, what sort of man are you if you aren't confident enough in yourself to be able to knock someone back and take it as a compliment?

Too true Torsten.

When I was about 22 I was out at a local club (a few years ago now as my drinking days are over). A guy approached me an started full putting the heaviers on. My responce was to put my arm around him and say kindly - "listen mate, you sound like a really nice guy but I'm afraid Im not gay"

His responce was- "WELL I WOULDN'T WANT TO GO OUT WITH YOU ANYWAY!!!!" and ponced off in a huff.

Most fun I've ever had with a gay.