Alchemica Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Have you experienced altered states of consciousness which you believe have resulted directly from external, human-made electromagnetic radiation other than visible light (mobile communications, wireless internet, radio waves (including TV signals), microwaves)? There is some interesting material on the formation of highly structured microcrystals in the pineal gland which have piezoelectric properties, with potential excitability in the frequency range of mobile communications and other non-ionising radiation: Piezoelectricity in the human pineal gland "Melatonin secretion by the pineal gland has been reported to be affected by exposure to electromagnetic fields (EMFs). In an initial investigation to determine if calcifications commonly found in the pineal gland could respond to EMFs by a transducer mechanism, studies were conducted to ascertain if pineal tissues were piezoelectric. Second harmonic generation (SHG) measurements showed that pineal tissues contained noncentrosymmetric crystals, thus proving the presence of piezoelectricity. Both mulberry-like and faceted crystalline calcifications were observed by scanning electron microscopy (SEM). Some of the calcifications had compositions similar to that of hydroxyapatite; others contained a high concentration of aluminum.... ...The SHG results show that the pineal gland definitely contains noncentrosymmetric material which, according to crystallographic symmetry considerations [7], is piezoelectric. SHG detection does not permit determination of quantitative piezoelectric and other material constants. Piezoelectric crystals were detected throughout the human pineal gland (Fig. 1) in all subjects examined (Fig. 2)..... ...The first two kinds of crystals are chemically similar to bone mineral, which is not piezoelectric [17], perhaps suggesting that they were not the source of the SHG response. On the other hand, the crystal structure of bone mineral and pineal calcifications is not well known, and it is possible that small changes in crystal structure could result in the appearance of noncentrosymmetry, hence piezoelectricity. With the exception of one location, the nonpineal tissues contained no crystals visible in the SEM. Thus, if the SHG determinations involving the nonpineal tissues (Fig. 2) are interpreted as negative, then it could be concluded that there is a strong correlation between the presence of crystals and piezoelectricity. Aluminum was consistently observed in the pineal glands using independent methods of measurement (EDS on powder, EDS on single crystals, atomic absorption), indicating that the element is consistently present in the human pineal gland. Its relationship to the piezoelectric property of pineal deposits, however, is unknown." - http://ortho.sh.lsuhsc.edu/Faculty/Marino/...electricity.pdf "Because of the fast development of mobile telecommunication, the interaction of Electromagnetic Fields (EMF) with biological environment becomes a public health concern. Although the action of non-ionizing radiation on biology is still unclear, several hypotheses of interaction have been suggested: hot spot phenomena, ADN/RF-EMF interaction, EMF effect on cellular development (oncology) [1-3]. But no convincing study brings to the conclusion of an effective risk of RF-EMF for health. The pineal gland converts a neural signal into an endocrine output. The most important hormone it secretes is melatonin the main role of which is to control the physiological circadian rhythm [4]. Two biomineralization forms can be observed in the pineal gland. Concretions so called "brain sand", a polycrystalline complex of few millimeters long, and microcrystals the length of which does not exceed 20 micrometers. While concretions have been extensively studied [5-9] no study has been published on the microcrystals. In this article the microcrystals were analyzed with different biophysical techniques. Their physicochemical properties and particularly piezoelectricity would give them an active role in a potential mechanism of electromechanotransduction in the pineal body. We are currently planning a study on the effects of Global System for Mobile (GSM) waves on these microcrystals in cellular culture and their influence on the pineal body physiology.... ....We report here the presence of a new form of mineral deposits in the pineal gland. The calcite microcrystals would have piezoelectric properties with excitability in the frequency range of mobile communications. Their interaction with GSM waves could constitute a new mechanism of electromecano-transduction on the pinealocyte membrane, influencing by the fact the melatonin production. The RF-EMF electrical component interaction with the crystals could induce a morphological modification of the crystals, a vibration depending on the EMF frequency. This morphological change, even tiny, could involve a modification of their cellular environment, by a localized modification of the cellular membrane of related cells. The membrane changes could alter the adrenergic suggested and/or calcium channel function. A similar mechanism of magneto-transduction was revealed by Kirschvink in connection with magnetite crystals of the brain and their interaction with the magnetic component of RF-EMF [15]. Pinealocyte can "communicate" through their gap junction [16, 17]. The deformation caused by the crystal vibrations could thus by simple activation of one or two pinealocytes, activate a whole area of pineal cells and thereby act on the pineal physiology." - http://www.ursi.org/Proceedings/ProcGA02/papers/p2236.pdf Anyway, I'm keen to see the results of the Poll. Edited June 10, 2009 by Alchemica Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted June 10, 2009 does this include the new style light globes? t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alchemica Posted June 10, 2009 The compact fluorescent globes probably should be included, as long as the light isn't directly aimed at or reflecting into the eyes. They are known for generating EMF radiation along with visible light. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted June 12, 2009 yo fuckers,106 views but only 5 votes!?!?!?lot of peeps taking but not putting in or a lot of guests veiwing....you got an unsure option,it all counts toward the overall picture..... t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psychoshaman Posted June 12, 2009 it's funny i was reading about this the other day, and the thing with the light globes, apparently (although not sure what they do these days) they used to filter out the yellow spectrum of light from the globes "producing a more natural light and eliminating that harsh yellowness... blah blah and wtf... how can this be i'm sure the creator would of eliminated that yellowness if it was seen unfit, it's there for a reason why take it out??? as for fluorescent lights, i loathe them, can't even walk into a servo at night as they play havoc with my eyes and sometimes i'm sure i can "feel" them burning into my brain (but that could be my over active imagination) so yeah that's all i've got for the mo and i voted too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted June 12, 2009 psychoshaman what are you trying to say about yellow? they say autistic folk often dislike fluoros. they can see them flickering whereas most of us are unaware of it. i have found that when i'm tired because i've had coffee and stayed up too long, i see the flickering in my peripheral vision. i voted unsure, because i don't know if i'd say appliances of caused 'altered states' but sometimes they are definitely attacking my aura, or whatever. when i'm stoned it's 4028450 times more noticeable (like i almost can't bear to be near a PC), when i'm not it's more like a placebo effect if at all. i believe it's fair to speak on terms of auras given the topic, and probably fair to say pot can make your aura more vulnerable.. so i think the situation can be compared to the earth (people) with it's own protective magnetic field, shielding it from the worst of the suns (appliances) radiation, and getting stoned may weaken the protective field somehow (maybe because one starts exploring different areas with their energy, and becomes more novel but less staunch.... or maybe one is just able to be better attuned to what is going on with that energy). reader's digest (heh) told me today that poor melatonin production could be a major, major cause of cancer, basically cancer rates were lower in more dimly lit areas compared to brightly lit cities. it was recommended that red lights (which cause smaller drops in mel. production) or a dim light be used when going to the bathroom at night. bit of a worry for me as most of my life i have had shit sleeping conditions, sunlight and street lights through the cracks in my curtains and late waking times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FancyPants Posted June 13, 2009 So who's going to do the experiment? One big speaker magnet sitting on the guinea pig's forehead while lying in the dark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t st tantra Posted June 13, 2009 when i'm off in an extended psychotic/spiritual experience i've noticed i avoid the teev and the computer because they tend to make me uncomfortable and interfere somehow with the state. i dont like fluros etc flickering at any time and either walk away or close my eyes while it warms up.......the new light globes seem to make me depressed,changing back fixed it! another reason to try nasal irrigation,neti,it is unexpectedly powerful.......maybe the mind clearing effect from it is the removal of flouride compounds?but seems more than that to me! t s t . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted June 13, 2009 This is why we feel so good when we are outside in the fresh air and in nature...we take our bodies out of the electromagnetic field that is our house power supply...that coupled with copious amounts of lighting and appliances makes for a great field of electromagnetism. Is there any proof that there is any forms of crystal in the human brain or body anywhere that anyone has heard of...as you know they have a polarity and this may have some adverse effect on how we feel when inside our homes and the electro field surrounding us. H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alchemica Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Is there any proof that there is any forms of crystal in the human brain or body anywhere that anyone has heard of...as you know they have a polarity and this may have some adverse effect on how we feel when inside our homes and the electro field surrounding us. The calcite microcrystals have been found in humans [1]. So have magnetite particles [2,3]... So, next time we get a pole reversal and maximum solar flare activity (2012?), that should be enough to mess us all up quite nicely. ...maybe fluoride was added into water to alter these crystal structures so that governments could tap into our thought processes using radio waves... [1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12224052 [2] Marcia Barinaga, “Giving Personal Magnetism a Whole New Meaning”, Science , vol 256, page 967, May 15, 1992 . [3] Charlene Crabb, “Magnetic Minds”, Discover , vol 14, page 70-71, January, 1993. Edited June 13, 2009 by Alchemica Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) The calcite microcrystals have been found in humans [1]. So have magnetite particles [2,3]...So, next time we get a pole reversal and maximum solar flare activity (2012?), that should be enough to mess us all up quite nicely. ...maybe fluoride was added into water to alter these crystal structures so that governments could tap into our thought processes using radio waves... [1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12224052 [2] Marcia Barinaga, “Giving Personal Magnetism a Whole New Meaning”, Science , vol 256, page 967, May 15, 1992 . [3] Charlene Crabb, “Magnetic Minds”, Discover , vol 14, page 70-71, January, 1993. that's one theory I hadn't come across...I would have thought it was the case we have some form of crystal in us...check out how men can navigate really well against females..I mean you can spin me around and throw me upside down and I'll still be able to tell you where North is..there is some form of magnet in us and in greater strength than females. H. edit..don't things like moths and in particular hammerhead sharks you use magnetic fields and polarity to find their way around...when a pack of sharks is circling slowly just like a moth circles a light..they only ever circle the one way...clockwise..this apparently has a lot to do with magnetism and magnetic fields. Edited June 13, 2009 by Hunab Ku Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mac Posted June 13, 2009 well i voted no a couple of days ago based on i did not feel anything with MRI & ct scans but i will admit that constant flicker of flourecent lighting is slightly annoying & may have a slight effect now i would say im in the not sure category Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alchemica Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Thanks for voting everyone! The light problem is difficult, so "No" was probably the way to go. I thought the SAB lot needed a "Not Sure" option if we did experience an altered state, but were off our chops anyway... Just to clear up the meaning of it. Edited June 13, 2009 by Alchemica Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thelema Posted June 13, 2009 Hi, when most computer screens were cathode I'd have a severe problem with about 1 in 3 of them. Nowdays with the flatscreen its OK. But in shopping centres I get very edgy, finally worked out that it was all the flouros. Me, I'll be sourcing incandescant light until they run out, my house is starting to give me a headache with these new stupid globes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alchemica Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) Yeah Thelema thanks for bringing that up- I agree that the incandescent light bulbs are much nicer to work under, being close to full spectrum rather than vapour/phosphor emission lines (not to mention the problems that are going to arise from all the mercury vapour in them when they are disposed). I've heard that the cheap compact fluoros are really bad for some. I've seen some low-wattage energy saver halogen lights for standard fittings that can even be dimmed - I wonder if they are more friendly? Edited June 14, 2009 by Alchemica Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chiral Posted June 13, 2009 Yeah that's the trade off with the new fluro's is now we are all under that flickering madness for the sake of a few bucks over a year...yeah CRT monitors were bad for me too..really bad ...it wasn't until I started writing my electronic music and having to stare at midi notes for sometimes 8-10hrs a day did I realise just how awful they are...that was plain and simply the demise of my eyes and the begging of all my migraines and poor eye sight I'm sure of it. Why can't they come out with a light based on the same technology as LCD a flat light made of liquid crystal...be great for the environment and would last years in the offing and safe to humans. Or a form of white laser technology that is being used in new type flat screen TV's ...I think Mitsubishi own the patent to that technology..sounds pretty useful. H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fenris Posted June 14, 2009 Squids http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID Superconducting Quantum Interference Devices (SQUID). They have been used to map ares of neural activity in the brain and whatnot. It also works in reverse. Say I take some mushrooms and map my brain with a squid helmet (did I just say that?), areas that have been mapped while under the influence can then be stimulated by magnetic field at a later time to produce a similar effects. Transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) http://www.wetwarehacks.com/TMS/sciam_tms.pdf I have had spontaneous altered states before, I never would have put them down to emf and still wouldn't. I did hear a guy on the radio who had put his head in a very strong magnetic field which was used for diagnosing fractures in mechanical parts for aircraft, apparently his vision went all over the place and he was seeing things very psychedelically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alchemica Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) Thanks Fenris - interesting links, hadn't heard of SQUID before. Links from DMT/Ayahuasca - The Spirit Molecule - awareness Facebook page) Sweet Dreams are made of Geomagnetic Activity http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1687...c-activity.html The Biological Clock mechanism: dynamic & rhythmic fluctuations in the Solar System Interplanetary Electromagnetic Field Matrix http://diamondhead.net/ssiefmbc.htm Cell Phones and the pineal gland http://cellphonesafety.wordpress.com/category/pineal-gland/ The circadian rhythm of melatonin production (high melatonin levels at night and low during the day) in the mammalian pineal gland is modified by visible portions of the electromagnetic spectrum, i.e., light, and reportedly by extremely low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic fields as well as by static magnetic field exposure. Both light and non-visible electromagnetic field exposure at night depress the conversion of serotonin (5HT) to melatonin within the pineal gland. Several reports over the last decade showed that the chronic exposure of rats to a 60 Hz electric field, over a range of field strengths, severely attenuated the nighttime rise in pineal melatonin production; however, more recent studies have not confirmed this initial observation. Sinusoidal magnetic field exposure also has been shown to interfere with the nocturnal melatonin forming ability of the pineal gland although the number of studies using these field exposures is small. On the other hand, static magnetic fields have been repeatedly shown to perturb the circadian melatonin rhythm. The field strengths in these studies were almost always in the geomagnetic range (0.2 to 0.7 Gauss or 20 to 70 mu tesla) and most often the experimental animals were subjected either to a partial rotation or to a total inversion of the horizontal component of the geomagnetic field. These experiments showed that several parameters in the indole cascade in the pineal gland are modified by these field exposures; thus, pineal cyclic AMP levels, N-acetyltransferase (NAT) activity (the rate limiting enzyme in pineal melatonin production), hydroxyindole-O-methyltransferase (HIOMT) activity (the melatonin forming enzyme), and pineal and blood melatonin concentrations were depressed in various studies. Likewise, increases in pineal levels of 5HT and 5-hydroxyindole acetic acid (5HIAA) were also seen in these glands; these increases are consistent with a depressed melatonin synthesis. The mechanisms whereby non-visible electromagnetic fields influence the melatonin forming ability of the pineal gland remain unknown; however, the retinas in particular have been theorized to serve as magnetoreceptors with the altered melatonin cycle being a consequence of a disturbance in the neural biological clock, i.e., the suprachiasmatic nuclei (SCN) of the hypothalamus, which generates the circadian melatonin rhythm. The disturbances in pineal melatonin production induced by either light exposure or non-visible electromagnetic field exposure at night appear to be the same but whether the underlying mechanisms are similar remains unknown. http://www.biomedexperts.com/Abstract.bme/...uction_of_melat Maybe 50 Hz mains power is a problem, too? Electro Magnetic Fields and the Nature Rythms of the Earth http://www.articlesbase.com/cell-phones-ar...rth-524383.html http://druhempel.gnn.tv/blogs/28719/Melato...agnetic_Secrets http://www.bridgeofstars.co.uk/pineal-gland.htm http://cacaoist.blog.com/1024870/ Facebook users might be interested in the video http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/video/vi...?v=127653780299 GEOMAGNETIC STORMS AND THEIR INFLUENCE ON THE HUMAN BRAIN http://www.cnic.edu.cu/revista%20CENIC/rev...05-4-CB-081.pdf Geomagnetic storms: association with incidence of depression as measured by hospital admission The hypothesis that geomagnetic storms may partly account for the seasonal variation in the incidence of depression, by acting as a precipitant of depressive illness in susceptible individuals, is supported by a statistically significant 36.2% increase in male hospital admissions with a diagnosis of depressed phase, manic- depressive illness in the second week following such storms compared with geomagnetically quiet control periods. There is a smaller but not statistically significant increase in female psychotic depression and non-psychotic depression admissions following storms. There was no correlation between geomagnetic storm levels and number of male admissions with psychotic depression, which is consistent with a threshold event affecting predisposed individuals. Phase advance in pineal circadian rhythms of melatonin synthesis may be a possible mechanism of causation or be present as a consequence of 5- hydroxytryptamine and adrenergic system dysfunction associated with geomagnetic disturbance. Effects on cell membrane permeability, calcium channel activity and retinal magneto-receptors are suggested as possible underlying biochemical mechanisms http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/164/3/403 Edited June 19, 2009 by Alchemica Share this post Link to post Share on other sites