Marijuana Withdrawal

[ThunderIdeal]

maybe he was, considering his last post showed some kind of medical opinion that marijuana's addictiveness is 22 out of 100 (still addictive)

divinersage, shall i assume you're a teenager? the truth is that you go through a lot of mental stuff as a teenager, it's a time of inner turmoil and thankfully as you roll into the twenties you start to feel wiser and stabler each year (although your mind loses it's edginess heheh). being a very heavy pot user in your teens DOES puts more problems on your plate that other teens don't have to deal with. in my opinion, it also opens up vistas of thought that may be unavailable to other teens. where are your priorities? haha, you're too young to be certain! that's what you have to ask yourself though. i wouldn't worry about this 'addiction' word, what's the difference between loving something TOO MUCH, and having a chemical need for it? you may as well put yourself in the 'regular pot user' category and decide where to go from there.

i think exercising helps to quit (makes you feel good, makes you realise that you are torpid and your lungs are useless), but any activities are pretty useful, including socialising with your pot user friends anything that keeps you occupied is a winner

[Conan Troutman]

OP so u do smoke spin but not cigarettes..plz clear this up for me

your wife is a GP and she hasnt recommended a small course of Valium?

Edited July 11, 2008 by Conan Troutman

[chilli]

OP so u do smoke spin but not cigarettes..plz clear this up for me

your wife is a GP and she hasnt recommended a small course of Valium?

Hey Troutman, no I used to smoke ciggys when I was 12-18, and only had mixed baccy with pot a couple of times when I was a kid.

I've got a few lorazepam on hand, but trying not to use them as they kick my ass for the next few days.

All this info is my earlier posts.

PS. making some little crest cuttings soon if you are still keen for postage from NZ to there... I never forget blatant begging, although I'm sure you have.

*edit* Oh yeah, sorry Legba, it seems a lot more obvious you were maybe being facetious today.

Edited July 11, 2008 by Sublime Crime

[MindExpansion]

I agree with Thunder, whether you would be called 'addicted' or not means shit all, if you are using more than you'd like or are concerned about your use for whatever reason, you need to consider what action to take about that. Avoiding addiction probably shouldn't be the reason for your wanting to stop, but if you want to stop because your using more than u want then fine, if you want to stop because your worried about your health, both mental and physical, thats find, if its costing you too much, then fine, and while all of these problems may result from addiction, you shouldn't be quitting because you are addicted, but due to the negative effects that may result from addiction or use in general.

Peace,

Mind

[Conan Troutman]

Hey Troutman, no I used to smoke ciggys when I was 12-18, and only had mixed baccy with pot a couple of times when I was a kid.

I've got a few lorazepam on hand, but trying not to use them as they kick my ass for the next few days.

All this info is my earlier posts.

PS. making some little crest cuttings soon if you are still keen for postage from NZ to there... I never forget blatant begging, although I'm sure you have.

*edit* Oh yeah, sorry Legba, it seems a lot more obvious you were maybe being facetious today.

yeh short term memory loss sorry

welly then your wd symptoms certainly sound on the extreme end of the scale..

if you choose wd over lorazepam im not sure what we can do for you...hang in there ey

[chilli]

welly then your wd symptoms certainly sound on the extreme end of the scale..

if you choose wd over lorazepam im not sure what we can do for you...hang in there ey

I'm just following your advice, I want to harden up

Cheers for the help to everyone who posted in this thread and especially to that special funny lurker who PM'd me at just the right time, you guys have made it so much easier, seriously.

Edited July 11, 2008 by Sublime Crime

[baphomet]

While I know where Andy and Balzac are coming from I still don't agree. There have been people who have died from alcohol withdrawals, I realise this but there have also been many who have died from heroin withdrawals too!

I am finding it hard to understand how people seem to think that cocaine is about as addictive as tea or coffee either, I have not had a lot of experience with this drug but I'm sure there are a lot of crack heads out there who would disagree with that statement!

The experience that I have had with cocaine leads me to believe that the withdrawals are largely psychological, mainly in the form of EXTREME paranoia, depression, etc which may not be directly life threatening but still makes it more uncomfortable to get off than tea or coffee.

I haven't heard of too many people selling their ass to get a cup of tea or coffee either but there's plenty of crackheads in the US who will do far worse than that to get a hit!

Likewise I haven't seen or heard of too many people turning to prostitution, breaking into houses, doing armed robberies, or stealing from their loved ones or selling their organs the way they do for heroin just to get a beer!

Oh well.. believe what you will I guess, I will just stick with what I know!

[ThunderIdeal]

actually those are good points baph

"you in here for marijuana? BOO THIS MAN!!!!"

although it was comparing NASAL cocaine to tea/coffee. it's easy to believe that it is the smoked cocaine which addicts so many people.

[nabraxas]

Likewise I haven't seen or heard of too many people turning to prostitution, breaking into houses, doing armed robberies, or stealing from their loved ones or selling their organs the way they do for heroin just to get a beer!

Probably because you can steal metho from any supermarket.

[baphomet]

although it was comparing NASAL cocaine to tea/coffee.

Your right, sorry 'bout that but Nasal is still highly addictive, much more than tea or coffee IMO, it is what I was referring to when I spoke of my own experience and the extreme paranoia, etc.

If it is no worse than tea or coffee then I don't suppose we would have quite so many celebrities in rehab or people blowing their entire life savings or committing fraud, etc to support their habit as they do in other countries like the US.

I once watched a movie called 'The Boost' when I was young about a guy who looses everything to cocaine addiction, it just wouldn't have been quite as believable if it was about tea or coffee for some reason

[Conan Troutman]

Oh well.. believe what you will I guess, I will just stick with what I know!

wish you would, thats what most of us do

[chilli]

I haven't heard of too many people selling their ass to get a cup of tea or coffee either but there's plenty of crackheads in the US who will do far worse than that to get a hit!

So you are a Cat Power fan too then?

[sarcasm]TI, don't agree with Baphomet, he is the current forum underdog...[/sarcasm]

[apothecary]

I guess I harp on this a lot, but being an "addict" and having experienced these withdrawal symptoms, I can honestly say kava is the perfect recovery substance. Light nightly doses before bed counteract any of the night issues for me and I can be "in" and "out" within a week...

[AndyAmine.]

I realise this but there have also been many who have died from heroin withdrawals too!

Umm, they have?

Do you have any refferences for this?

Ive actuallt heard the total oppoiste, that you CAN NOT die from heron WD's and this comes from my old Dr/ who runs and privatly run psych/detox in Melbourne and many others in the proffesion have said it to me as well.

Plus, I have spent time in a few different detox's with both opiate and alcohol addicts, around 8 or 9 times, one time I slept in the same room as one.

I can tell you first hand the alcoholics had it far worse than the opiate addicts did and I was comming off of a daily IV dose of 0.5-1gm+ of close to pure rock heroin each time.

I would be REALLY interested in reading about opiate addicts dying from WD's if you can find anything as this subject is very close to home. in fact Im looking at WD'ing from a 9 year Methadone addiction in the near future.

Edited July 14, 2008 by AndyAmine.

[Jesus On Peyote]

Sina makes a good point, i mentioned codeine as an aid b4, but as kava is ment to have similar effects, i would probably opt for kava over codeine as an exit aid ( in terms of healthiness ).

Good luck andy, on your methadone attempt when it comes.

Edited July 14, 2008 by Jesus On Peyote

[~shameless~]

I think weed is definantly dependance forming, some would say addictive, i farkn totally agree with both staments depending on the individual

Although I (ME) have never heard of any one pushing over an old lady for weed money, or sucking someone off either!!

i am good freinds with a couple of chaps who smoke morning noon and night ( about 8 to 10 cones each morn)

Joint @ morning tea Bongs @ lunch and the rest of the two grams at night, when they run out from time to time, weed or money , they are not the easiest to get along with, but don't spend all night driving around the place search'n for smoke or hang out looking for easy targets to rob

Most of all i think it is the nature of the substance that alows people to still have morals, you arn't totally fucked up enough to go and do something just down right seedy, just get a bit moody, hate things for a couple of days

You can be totally craving a smoke but never need it that bad (in my experience, depends on the person i don't know any total numbnuts)

The worst thing i'v seen is someone replace a cannabis addiction/habbit with another habbit

Getting drunk / popping valium or both!! each night will relieve the symtoms of cannabis withdrawal but you can soon get used to that shit too,

"if one is capable of really enjoying cannabis more than they should, they are capable of enjoying other things more than they should" its human nature - you can take the man out of the weeds but you can't take the weeds out of the man- i'm a former alcoholic and battle a cannabis habbit

[incognito]

i agree with sina. kava is the way. a few cups in the evening, and if u are still experiencing nervous tension and insomnia, ZONK is great. FUCK benzos!!

cocious breathing is also great when u feel the urge to bong on. detatches u from that urge(energy)

i am starting to sound like a hippy.

kava definately removed the urge to smoke in the evenings (when i smoked the most)

and ZONK eliminated the insomnia.

the foul taste of kava eliminated its use by itself after a couple of weeks, and the ZONK i just stopped taking.Had no withdrawals.

Tulsi is also awesome (im repeating myself now)

[baphomet]

Umm, they have?

Do you have any refferences for this?

Ive actuallt heard the total oppoiste, that you CAN NOT die from heron WD's and this comes from my old Dr/ who runs and privatly run psych/detox in Melbourne and many others in the proffesion have said it to me as well.

Plus, I have spent time in a few different detox's with both opiate and alcohol addicts, around 8 or 9 times, one time I slept in the same room as one.

I can tell you first hand the alcoholics had it far worse than the opiate addicts did and I was comming off of a daily IV dose of 0.5-1gm+ of close to pure rock heroin each time.

I would be REALLY interested in reading about opiate addicts dying from WD's if you can find anything as this subject is very close to home. in fact Im looking at WD'ing from a 9 year Methadone addiction in the near future.

"Rapid detoxification from high tolerance heroin use is extremely dangerous and can be fatal." http://www.addictionsearch.com/treatment_a...n-detox_10.html

"Sudden heroin detox, withdrawal, by heavily users can be fatal." http://www.addict-help.com/heroin-detox.asp

"Sudden withdrawal from some synthetic opiates such as methadone can be fatal." http://treatmentcenters.com/articles/opiate-withdrawal.html

As with almost everything there is a lot of conflicting information around, my doctors told me it was potentially fatal and advised me against rapid detox and it seemed everyone I spoke to who was on methodone knew that the withdrawals were potentially fatal. I certainly felt as though I was going to die a couple of times when I jumped off it! I heard Hitler used to put it in the water of his soldiers so they couldn't go too far from their base or they would collapse in a heap, this way there would be no deserters.

I certainly don't envy you mate and I wish you lots of luck! Methodone withdrawal is Not to be taken lightly thats for sure!

"wish you would, thats what most of us do "

In my experience some of you read and believe misinformation on the net and then preach it as fact! You know who you are

[ThunderIdeal]

hey that thing about nazi water would be no great surprise! they say that methadone was invented by nazis, because goerring and some of his crew knew they were facing a future problem in opiate availability.

[ballzac]

"Rapid detoxification from high tolerance heroin use is extremely dangerous and can be fatal." http://www.addictionsearch.com/treatment_a...n-detox_10.html

"Sudden heroin detox, withdrawal, by heavily users can be fatal." http://www.addict-help.com/heroin-detox.asp

"Sudden withdrawal from some synthetic opiates such as methadone can be fatal." http://treatmentcenters.com/articles/opiate-withdrawal.html

Interesting links there. I was unaware of this. Two of the links refer vaguely to 'sudden withdrawal', and the other to 'ultra-rapid, anesthesia assisted withdrawal'. I would think, perhaps, that it is very unlikely to die from a detox withour naltrexone or similar.

"Mortality was as high as 35% prior to the era of intensive care and advanced pharmacotherapy. The most common conditions leading to death in these patients are respiratory failure and cardiac arrhythmias" in relation to delerium tremens. http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic524.htm. I know that not all alcohol withdrawal results in DT, but I think it would be high in the severe category.

Would be great to see a comparitive study on mortality from withdrawal for common drugs.

[chilli]

Going through this again, no one but myself to blame.. man it sucks balls, but olanzapine is helping me a great deal to eat and sleep, and has a nice anti-emetic effect as well.

Psych prescribed a shitload of lorazepam too, but it seriously puts me into a blind rage if I have too much..

its been about a week since no pot, but had tapered off a lot in the prior couple of weeks due to anxieties from a million life stresses... really determined not to self-medicate with pot again, as this just isn't worth it!

[ThunderIdeal]

hang in there mate

i'm about one year and counting. in 51 weeks you will be too!

[Rabelais]

Yup, stay strong.

Some things I found that helped:

Repetitive (preferably physical) labor. Having a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day is a winner. It stops "the nights drawing out like a blade" Red - Shawshank Redemption

Getting up early and definitely no naps during the day. Come evening you want your body to be craving rest.

Fluids. Get to a herbalist and buy a bunch of different teas, try some different recipes and see what you like.

Not much else one can do, I know where you are and so do you by the sounds of it.

Edited January 21, 2011 by Dale Cooper

[Zen Peddler]

My missus tends to smoke way to much - she says to calm down anxiety but I find that every time she stops smoking her anxiety goes mental for about 10 days or so - bigtime angert surges and all that.

things that helped for her were valerian and ashwagandha was really good - espectially smoked.

While I know where Andy and Balzac are coming from I still don't agree. There have been people who have died from alcohol withdrawals, I realise this but there have also been many who have died from heroin withdrawals too!

true, I think 20% of patients with who experiences DTs die because the unrestrained sympathetic overactivity (which has adjusted to long periods of central nervous system depression) is suddenly unrestrained. Usual consequences are anxiety, hypertension and in many cases unapposed sympatheticall mediated heart damage, etc.

I am finding it hard to understand how people seem to think that cocaine is about as addictive as tea or coffee either, I have not had a lot of experience with this drug but I'm sure there are a lot of crack heads out there who would disagree with that statement!

The experience that I have had with cocaine leads me to believe that the withdrawals are largely psychological, mainly in the form of EXTREME paranoia, depression, etc which may not be directly life threatening but still makes it more uncomfortable to get off than tea or coffee.

Cocaine is way addictive. Fucked a workmate's life right up and a good friend of my missus's Dad lost ten years to crack addiction. Cocaine does all sorts of interesting things to norepinephrine transporters and a few other things, dopamine being the most obvious but not necessarily the biggest issue. But it really is just like strong coffee in effect as far as im concerned. But longterm use is the fucker.

Most withdrawal symptoms are the result of various drugs and their effects on the sympathetic/parasympathetic systems or their epigenetic modifcations of various transporters in the brain.

[Zen Peddler]

(2) Cocaine is about as addictive as coffee or tea's caffeine.

(3) Alcohol is about as addictive as heroin.

Gees I can find medical studies that demonstrate anything you like - doesnt make them right.