XipeTotec

yes, with my fist

i dont think it is. I think we are a society of, "solution in a pill", and generally, we have a low acceptance/tolerance of pain (amongst other things), and will more than happily take a pain relief tablet than have a lie down. Im not talking about chronic pain sufferers here, Im talking about, "healthy" 18-50 year olds... who may actually only be experiencing headaches etc as a result of poor diet, and low water intake, or lack of physical activity. In regards to being a pill popping society, I doubt many would dispute this, particularly when we look at how many people are on anti depressants, and adha medication, in my opinion, unnecessarily (im not saying that some shouldn't be on them, but there does seem be be a disturbing trend.). The fact is the medical profession are more likely to prescribe a pharmaceutical than a change in diet, or lifestyle.

I guess this is a good time for you to get your rocks off, and give me an ID... i think I saw an ID for this in another thread a while back, but never got around to writing it down. It is naturally skinny, im not sure if that can be perceived in pics thanks guys

thats why I am so good at cryptic crosswords!!

ok, thanks for that pete, pete, repeat

so its..... young tripper?

someone who doesnt drink alcohol. If you are having a go at the spelling... i just double checked, and apparently it is spelt, " TEE totaler".

this appears to be a case of obvious heavy abuse... you would have to be pretty thick to be using nurofen plus in this way. . It is probably more of an issue that this pain killer has become one of choice for many people... whom will pop a pill at the slightest sign of discomfort.

your not allowed to quote me on that one I appreciate the information though, as now I know not to make the same un-quotable quote

yeah, but who is the other guy??

these are difficult classifications, as psychoactive cacti ie. loph williamsii also have established medicinal used which are unrelated to their psychoactive effects. should Selenicereus grandiflorus be added to the medicinal list, as it has shown some medical effectiveness in treatment of heart conditions?

sina, sina, sina... a. i wasnt being a smartarse, i was contributing to a discussion....I believe thats what this place is for.. b. You didnt catch me out... the information, in the form that I presented it (without misrepresentation mind you) was correct. c. The thread that you linked did not show me being called out, infact, I just stated the kava extract (alcohol was implied, as most, if not all therapeutic use, fluid extracts are alcohol based) was... to quote myself, "thought to cause liver damage". If the reason for this is due to aerial material within the COMMERCIAL product, then, what I stated was still correct. I admit i was not informed on whether root only was not hepatotoxic, but, as each reference I have made has been in reference to off the shelf commercial extracts, then some amount of hepatotoxicity can be assumed (as you reference that they contain aerial material.) mind you, if I recall the correctly, it was isolated incidences with people that may have already had less than perfect liver function (dont quote me on that one though), but we all know that it doesnt take much for the TGA to take a natural remedy of the market... compared to a pharmaceutical. as for your references... you have obviously done some research on this, and I am happy to take your word for it. goodnight sina

ref?

they published findings a few years back when kava products were taken of the market, I say TGA, but my actual reference is my partner who was involved in the industry at the time, who was informed by suppliers of these products (whom i may not be able to reference for possible legal reasons), she does inform me that this information would have been published by the the tga for obvious reasons. Whether the TGA or one of these companys did the initial research, I am unsure. regardless, it resulted in the alcoholic extracts being removed from the market.... again, i couldnt tell you whether the extracts were root only or not... which I believe is the issue at hand... which no amount of referencing will enable me do so.

tga... i dont have the actual findings, so I couldnt tell you if it was specific to root only or not.

do u mean as an alcohol extract... or infusion?? being a tea totaler it eliminates the infusion option.

last two nights I brewed seperate teas of the above mentioned herb. Each time approx 12 flowers used, although I believe second night was a stronger brew. boiled each tea down to about 1 cup, and mixed 3 teaspoons of sugar into tea. I refrigerated, and mixed like cordial with lemonade (This tasted very pleasant!) The first night i felt slightly more relaxed (i also smoked a cig rolled from dried boiled material) I also felt a little light headed. The second night, I did feel some light headiness sort of feeling, and some relaxation, again, pretty mild. duration each time was probably about 1-1 1/2 hours. Compared to friendlies 20 g does, i imagine this was quite low dose (i only have kitchen scales, so I didnt bother to weigh) I found it pretty subtle, but defiantly had some effect, but not something I would write home about (although I do write here, in the interest of science ). I would like to experiment with a larger dose perhaps.

do you guys agree with this (it is referring to the fermentation process)... or is it preferred to keep as warm as possible 24/7? also, in another thread... it was recommended to leave stems out.... as mold is more likely to form on them (as they are woody), but others recommend leaving stems, and roots in... especially as they are said to contain higher alkaloid content. Also, torsten suggests leaving 10 mm gap from top... is this necessary to allow space for gas to form... or could the gap be less?

has this been established??.. I do know of alcohol extracts causing liver damage.

pls, tell us more about the amazing properties of vinigar

OFCOURSE!!!!!!!!!!

not without one of his caps on.

which one are u apoth?

nah, i meant as tea

as title suggests