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I'm sure they exist without knowing for sure ...

what is that to go on?

how about I haven't seen it and it's been so long that I'm coming to a conclusion that they simply do not exist *or have become extinct*... but validus taught that lesson?,.. well in a way but perhaps the likelihood of a good one showing up is in the realms of virola rarity, they do exist and proof is detected but still not before own eyes. which makes it even rarer than virola actually...

or diplop for that matter... the hunt for a good comparison is on.

=Tetrapterys methistica might equal the rarity of a good one..

If he has one they exist somewhere.