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And ya know what? I have no idea if you're joking or not I never said you were a passion hating bla bla whatever the rest of it was, anyways. Just....yknow.... having a discussion? He's a prawn, undoubtedly, and whilst I shouldve tacked a "cheers for finding a solution!" onto my last, I reckon you've done ok for pats on the back over time hey? No need to get unharmonious in a thread about ways to perhaps restore a sense of balance, is there? Maybe I read things wrong. I do worry a lot... it's because it's much easier to "set the standard" than it is to have it set for you, for some ;) If nothing else, I'm sick of the divisiveness he brings about, part of me thinks "that must be really sad" and another thinks" what a twat"... any event, he makes me THINK an awful lot about ... essentially nothing, which would be admirable if it were intentional, but I doubt it is. On the other hand, as a mod rather than just some random geezer hanging around scabbing cactus bits etc, I reckon it might have sounded better as "Ignore Member Function - Details" rather than "A solution to the Teotz problem". If its about effects on the community and not about personality or culture, etc, surely a more general helper would have been less... kinda nasty sounding... than singling someone out. Call it a matter of diplomacy and politics but, the title of Moderator has to stand for something, or surely there's no point. I also don't like the idea of what is essentially bullying becoming the way to deal with things... if its THAT serious a threat to the community (sounds familiar, that...) then why has he not been simply banned? Anyways matie, relax, I don't think we need to get into the Red Versus the Blue business... more to a person than "on a sliding scale between sugar n shit, where would you place teotz?", apologies if you thought I was saying you were a Nazi... but youre also a bright enough unit to know about the power of words and the words of power. A quest is a lovely thing, but in looking over the horizon its easy to trip over your toes. VM edity btw, youre not alone Sina, or anyone else for that matter... I've cycled thru the entire repetoire of possible perspectives on the guy (and have written as such) and it simply hasn't helped any I think I used the straw n camel line in my post about someone having a crack at gil for having a crack at teotz for... yeah... so on. I don't think anyone really needs to explain anything to anyone about anyone, we've all tried on all the hats at some stage. Nutha one... sorry, where did I say I didn't like your posts? I didn't like the sound of THAT one, overly much, but figured youd have a hairy enough set of nuts to handle hearing it? I actually seem to have said part of me really likes the idea, but other parts of me disagreed... not sure how to be more even about things than that.

Some part of me likes the extermination nature of it. Some part of me likes the ensuing confusion it would bring about. Part of me likes Teotz. If nothing else, the man has passion, which is a lot more than many have these days. Many parts of me worry about a person being discussed as if they're not "present". Not very fucking corroboree, really. But then, to enforce the standard you sometimes have to transcend the standard...all gets a bit iffy. Part of me wonders if we had a chat room (do we have a chat room?), how much small talk and one lining would get sorted out in there. And many dubious things would become much less...fixed in time and space ;) Part of me still likes the extermination nature of it, but even a bad person can appreciate a quiet and pleasant place to live. I worry that many people that come here end up thinking they're thought little of, because of a few narky remarks here n there. We seem to set no upper limit on (b)anality but get very tender in situations of .... feeling? Not quite the word. Teotz needs to sharpen up a little, but I do have some kind of reservation about imposing a silence... telling someone what you think and then them leaving voluntarily is somehow different to me. He honestly doesn't "bother" me, it just bothers me he bothers people... but then with him gone, big brother style, it means someone else becomes the Goat. Or does it? All a bit catty but part of me meows There, someone else can have the damn talking stick. VM edity... maybe it's purely semantic, part of me worries about the term "solution" being applied to any person. Even if they may be one of the most heinously intelligent supertrolls of all time, in a certain light. Also, if you set someone to "ignore" will that play hell with the "posts since last visit" function, if they're the most recent poster in a given thread, and if they start a thread, can we still see replies to it? All sounds a bit ... odd?

Ace you nong, fences just take hot stuff, not spikey stuff Why stop there... embed a subcutaneous transmitter with a solar panel, bung something else in the ground for it to have a chat with, if you pinch it calls the local constabulary who then have the joyous tasks of a > apprehending a known cactus packer... is it a weapon, or a plant? b> searching for cacti in your car ... anything sharp in here son? um... c> trying to find an evidence bag big enough for it, THEN write an F number on it with a nikko. I think more stolen plants end up on ebay than ppl would suspect (why not, half of everything else on ebay is stolen, no wonder cashies are running ads more often) but then experience also tells me that poorly secured cacti in a moving vehicle is a BAD idea. Maybe a van, two guys with hoods, leap out, put a bag over its head, in the back... but then how do you break down a cactus? Shine very WEAK lights at it? I guess waterboarding would get em talking pretty fast, but they'd mainly be speaking rot. I'm pretty sure anyone with a line in stolen advanced plants can afford whatever lil doodad youd need to find any chips and make a decision based on that, which means it just poses a threat to low level amateur criminals... sensible approach there Cactus on a streetcorner, haha... you'd need a steel overcoat to hang em in, surely? Would penis plants be kept for red light districts? I'd pay to see an arguement on the street between some guy with a massive cactus, and some other guy saying its his cactus... "well you can have the fucker then" heave, scream, run. "Police are asking for any information the public may have regarding a thoroughly punctured man, last seen wearing an agonised expression. People are asked NOT to approach the man, as he is thought to be of a prickly disposition". VM

I'd like to NOT see him at all... let some poor bastard somewhere just live in peace eating grubs and picking nits out of his fur. If we do find him, we drop him via helicopter to that South American tribe they found a while back. Their bigfoot pic looks like a collection of wigs and pig entrails in conjunction with some bear fur and a reworked frankenstein mask. They didn't go overboard on faking a "storage facility" and it really does look like theyve just tacked something together from shit laying around... but then, people are pretty bright too. Weird that hes meant to be tht heavy and dense but his head isnt pushing the top of the shitty foam out, maybe I'm looking at it wrong though. Shitty pic. Who knows, wait n see. Might just be some weird kind of human, some lost kind of ape, some weird pack of 'breeds, some escaped creation from a military lab... but then I hear theres native American legends from way back about them, it's not just something invented to sell Coke, exactly. Doesn't help that the blokes all look like they'd giggle hysterically while sharing a swine between them, either. VM

Some of the places I drive around, I reckon there's all kinds of things in them thar hills. I've seen a few things in the bush that just don't make complete sense... and try to keep a very open mind. But, just because someone says they found a plausible critter, doesn't mean they're NOT full of shit My favourite at the moment is the Chupacubra... nice work... anything we had here would possibly be more marsupial in origin, the same tribe as the thylacine maybe, those lil carnivorous bush rats, etc. The Yowie at kilcoy is pretty intense looking, but then, if you've ever been to Kilcoy, you'll know how he feels I saw a thing built like cattle dog but with tabby like fur, easily a metre long not long ago at a lowspot in the farmland near here... definitely not a "regular" kind of animal, I'm pretty up with what you find around here and it was just some weird fucking creature, haha. Feline build but canine movement, or something else that just didnt sit right about it. Ran off the road as I went into the dip and then I saw it run back behind the car the MOMENT the headlights had passed, so it was pretty fast and agile for its size. Bit of a worry. But thats no excuse to keep it in a freezer for profit, haha. VM

""The Government wants to be sure the products are not dangerous or illegal," he said." Don't they just say the CUTEST things when they're learning to talk? Anyone got a durry? No worries, I'm off to the shops in my 260kw v8... VM

Nice stuff! Very... present. The timepiece one at the top, has a lot to do with Jung's observations and notes about patients with dreams of "cosmic timekeepers" etc... not that its the source material, but collectively, etc. Worth a look maybe. I also find it very much on the same page as a mates reported imagery via esphand tea. Going to get that with archtypes but it's still interesting. VM

Don't you know that trick T? Homeopathy, coming soon to a funny smelling house near you... VM

Entirely agree... I can see the law would be frustrating for people of more ....serious interests... or with less faith in their discretion, but I object more to the social conditioning that certain plants are entirely normal and some are just "weird" somehow... esp when it means I see a lot of people basically doped up to the eyeballs on this n that every other day of their life in a quest to feel "better"... yes, the answer to a toxic synthetic nightmare is of course more toxic nightmares Drugs and plants can't fix all of life's problems, neither can hammers or turtles, but thats no reason to be shy about what you CAN help with a drug, a plant, or even a turtle. But don't combine the hammer and the turtle. Depends I guess on whether someone wants to go the "fill yourself with knowledge til it starts overflowing onto those around you" path or the "serious policy advice" option... but there's nothing like a multipronged (and chronologically staged) attack on a construct to really get the job done. Then you have to make sure that whatever is going to replace the old one will work ok, too. I do think though that it's sad that we live in a society where we must have a puritanical motivation... safe n sane, poor old "Fun." never gets much of a look in... cept in terms of golf courses, marina developments, four wheel drive parks, etc. Is the answer to staid rigidity applied to bodily intake, more rigidity on bodily intake... not an opinion, just an open ended question Course, it'd get a few people killed, but then, we're all still driving cars hey. You can go down the road and eat yourself to death, if you starve your kids you can go to jail but theres no real laws about feeding em until they have a heart condition at 15... you can leap out of planes and get onto some net-referred casual sex... all in the name of "adult fun" or "western privelidge" but daresay you would like to spend a couple days doing some kangaroo dreaming (ie, scratching your nuts) under a nice shady tree and munching thru a bag of something leafy, and people get anxious. Tell em you do it ALL THE TIME with no nasty effects and they decide you're INSANE Edity... I find (controversial approach warning) a really helpful thing to do is always be on the lookout to help people with your interests. More people would give a shit about mechanics if more of em did free work for nanas on the side, and I find more people around me even those I don't know all that well are of late much more of the "fuckit, if it works it works" approach to their own health and happiness... I also find it helps to be willing to give people advice, dont be afraid but stay well within the realms of what you actually know something about, and more so to be willing to actually provide people with neatly packed labelled quality plant material purely out of love. You can either wait for the future to fall from above or define your own reality, with pride and without a trace of guilt, skullduggery or social malice... I find with that options people tend to essentially accept you as an undeniable element and to save time and chaos will write you into their lil worlds rather than go to the trouble of taking you out of yours... course, thats a game of odds and a lot depends on how deeply motivated you are, and from what point on the spectrum/cycle/whatever... if you really just want to be able to grow drugs without a hassle, well thats a different thing from wanting people to have free access where possible to safe food and medicines... but the two can certainly overlap, unless as was pointed out your drug or medicine of choice is a dire social hassle. also, web design was a piss take never mind, you can't catch em all. Weird old world but it has that kind of bookstore smell, so you gotta love it. VM

I think the use of river reds etc has something to do with mineral accumulation... the "crunchier" the wood, the more alkaline it typically comes out... salinity, etc... the corymbia I prefer is growing in what used to be riverline, but probably not for 40 years now, and it gets a good soaking and flushing every time it rains (cops a lot of overland flow and leaching from exposed granitic gear up the slope). I know things I can use to make a more salty alkaline ash, like the wattle, but I find I'd rather use twice the plant matter than have a horrible soapy tangy burning in my mouth that I think si the fats being rendered out of my gob, haha. Guess its a matter of straights and roundabouts. I guess thats why people get into the river gums (which is what my flooded gums are anyway, really, just a lil positionally embarassed) and mallees, other superhard things from mineral rich areas. I don't find (getting back to FM, yes I do remember you, just had no idea where the fuck you were these days haha) that what I do is a particularly great method for "curing" things at least not on the time spans I do it... there tends to be with some things a blackening/browning and others a chlorotic yellowing, but I find if I let it "cook" too long the effects could be described as smoking one crumb of blonde hash thru a yong, ie it hits the spot but is gone almost instantly and bulk side effects (as a typical outcome, i mean, things vary), whereas I aim to use it at the "midpoint" to get the best balance of effects. I reckon if you let it run quite a while it would maybe help cure things off but then maybe no more than the salt water ferment techs for tobacco that haveb een around for donkeys yonks. it certainly won't turn bright green into leathery brown in a few days IME (but might with heaps of extra ash, don't know) but then most things I've done it with I've harvested when in an N depleted state anyway. An important part I find is to be gentle with plant matter til you have the ash n water in place, then pack the hell out of it... all those juicy plant goodies are held onto as long as possible til they can party on with the ash, rather than just getting stuck to the fingers. Not very precise I know. Practice and smell are good tools. Tst, don't know about alks coming thru... I guess anyhting that could survive being slowly and gently toasted to death at a few hundred degrees at least, might have a chance, but then ash is a pretty much what you have left when everything else has been taken out of it. I have found that some wattles when used as a primary stove fuel tend to leave very storax-like deposits inside the firebox, but thats just whats evolved from the wood I spose. I do know that the incense resin I get from the bloodwoods has a very distinctive aroma that is completely absent from the ash, it comes out just smelling like you have readymix cement on your fingers, really, but "softer" on the nose. Whereas the hard wattle ashes are caustic enough that you get a noticeable exothermia going on if you use em to richly to treat too much plant in too large a volume (ie, will happily get a 1 litre glass container noticeably warm to the touch, if you over do things). Washing ashes... I sometimes make charcoal for forge work (very cathartic) and thats basically the opposite process to making good ash... you want heaps of fuel and very little heat or air, just slowly carbonise the whole load from one end to the other, unlike ash which is fast and airy... andyou never quench a charcoal cook if you plan on using the coal for fuel, as it will spit and hiss and crackle from all the potassium and calcium etc that has suddenly ended up back in the matrix of the charcoal (my understanding, anyway) and so as you heat it, it explodes and sometimes with enough force to send red hot embers shooting around a fair distance... wattle DOES make a kickarse forge fuel, and I find that if a load of that has to be quenched (going out at short notice, etc) then in addition to the char sucking, there will often be white-blue slag formed around the lower intake holes (tiny things, think a 44 gallon drum with about a dozen whacks from a screwdriver)... I put it on some plants and they responded to it like potassium but took em awhile. Other time I did that, I used dam water (our dam water has bullshit high sulfur content, seems to help aromatic plants reach their peak too) and the slag acted like potassium, but was much more quickly taken up... I assumed because it was more on the sulphate side? Ashes are sometimes made for treating plant matter and sometimes made as medicines themselves, to bulk out ochre, use as a dip for food like salt, etc. So I guess there'd be all different ways to make em depending on what you want em for. Anything for the skin or used internally my first thought would be youd want it as clean and neutral as possible (and its not like you cant use the salts removed for other things too, doesn't need to go to waste). VM

No, I just smoke the shit sometimes It does take the green meanies out of the taste but it does replace it with a limey brick dust kinda taste. Guess its a matter of preference. For hellishly green n grassy material it would probably take longer time and more ash/water routines before youd taken most of it out... even then I'm not sure if its after the chloro or its just reacting with acids n sugars etc and its taken out as collateral... someone more sci minded could tell you I'm sure. I find ashing works well for quidding or smoking (though must remember youd be lunging back on more fine particles nd radioactive whatnots) but watch it via smoking, it can make some things much much more readily apparent! I use this method with solanaceaous things (thus far tob, brug, brun, petunia) and did a few recent tests with some Cyperus rotunda seed head material... nothing green for it to play with there but it does seem to halve the time it takes to affect you, halve the duaration and double the sensation... whether thats a purely chemical thing or just the added kinda inert material slowed burn rate, who knows. But it seemed to help. A combo of brunfelsia g dry but not cured leaf and cyperus made as a quidding material came out very nicely indeed... quid a pinch, smoke a pinch, there ya go. Next test is going to be some minty lions tail. Depending on where youare FM, you should be able to find some feral eucalypts n wattles to play with... apparently Florida is lousey with em? So I hear anyway. VM

What do we think would work better... big rainforest snail shells, recently vacated, or old much leached n bleached inland river shells from lil molluscs? The inland ones, more calcium and less other things? Suggestions appreciated. Baccy either green or cured with ash hits the spot sometimes... not something I do often as it's probably too enjoyable in a way. Never used shells , I tried different woodashes and now its either dead but still attached flooded gum branch or Bloodwood (corymbia) of the same kind of stage... cooked cool and with plenty of air but a little "restriction", leaves a lovely white superfine ash... the bloodwood is a bit less alkaline than the flooded gum, but tastes much much better and usually gives a finer softer ash.I tried a few kinds of wattle but almost all were just far too strong, very very soapy and metallic (granitic soils around here). Would be the shit for the serious devotee I guess but I like the sweet softness of bloodwood. Bloodwood is very effective, but I reckon only JUST as much as it needs to be... I find a fine dusting of plant matter is usually all it takes, but if I want some made to order I'll dry the plant matter (mostly, just break it spirit so to speak) and shred it a bit, trying not to bruise it too much in the process. Then, add a small dash of ash (i start at a big pinch per half cup, say), mix gently around with your finger, until its evenly dispersed and coating the plant bits, keep adding pinches until basically its evenly coated and you can still see it the details of the leaf or whatever, but its uniformly grey-white. Guess that'd all vary with taste and temperament but it works for me. Then add a drop of water, stir about evenly, repeat until its all just damp enough to mould and hold a shape... pack it down into the corner of the container, whatever you use. Should have a clean limey smell, lil else. Next day, half the limey smell is usually replaced by a sweetish smell... green sweet lucerne smell... and the water is usually all gone. Break it up, fluff it up gently, rewet, let it sit again... usually the 2nd or 3rd day the sweet green smell gives way to a more neutral herb spice smell with an... MSG edge? Kind of like the white salty plums, lol. If using brown plant matter, I find adding a bit of an excess of ash AND a sacrificial dry green plant matter component helps... seems if it cant do something with the chlorophyll it makes a meal of your alks instead, or so it seems on my planet. Wrapping in green leaf can work too. I'd have a standard ash to leaf ratio but it varies depending on how fine the ash came out, how strong I've found that batch to be, etc... more of a feel thing. Never "tripped" off tobacco in the cartoon sense, but then I've rarely tripped like that off anything much... but it certainly can make the day to day fade into the background and the big picture become a lil clearer... to me its the mental equivalent of slapping a dodgy computer monitor, I guess. Doesnt change or make a picture, it just improves the view. But then I was stupid enough to start smoking as a kid (what adult would start, though, the bastards) and as such I am sure a lot of the magic is lost on me, a non smoker or a reformed smoker would get more out of it. I found it really helpful with a frustrating visit to a hawaiian rose farm, once. Otherwise I like it on long quiet bumbling walks (dont chew at it, just holding it seems enough) or just while having a quiet sit. Oddly enough if I start sitting and try to go walking, it can get a bit much, but if I start off walking and keep walking, I just want to keep walking and feel a bit antsy if I stop. Seems to help being warmed up first somehow. A mate went to the US, while there he tried some of that Dip stuff... hes never smoked, bit of a health nut and is superfit, reckons he was rolling around on the beach making deals with god and all that to just let it wear off for about an hour and then spent two days in bed. A few other things benefit from an occasional ashing too but the results can be a lil confronting, haha. VM

CSDL, haha... not read 1984 or dealt with the govt of late, lucky things... that's FAR too obvious and clear cut... you need to clutter it up some but NOT be seen to be putting anyone off the scent, per se... nothing dishonest, just a lil open ended and more reputable than something that contains "sensible" (which by its presence will put backs up, a certain amount of people will always think youre calling them stupid at the best of times) and "drug" which is just a BAD idea If you're talking purely a press release factory and a few heads in a can journos can rattle if they feel like it on a slow week, you need a name that hits the right buttons... without setting off any alarms. It's all just letterheads and websites now, bugger all official sounding anybodies have an office half as impressive as their glossy mailouts in the fashionable brown envelopes anymore. 6 people can be an Association ;) Perhaps... Australian Centre for Therapeutic Outcomes National Health and Wellness Foundation Australian Wellbeing Advisory Council Natraceutical Research Institute of Australia Probably not anything with drug, herb, fun, humanity, bastards or witchdoctor in the name... might give people the wrong impression, rather than the truth... a well intentioned provider of critical and accurate information relating to physical, emotional and social health issues of everyday Australians All the good acros here are A, N, T, C, H, F, S... get into that S D G thing and it sounds like some kind of communist brigade or a dodgy north korean internal affairs burea Oh yeah, and the website would need a lot of blue-white spectrum sciency pics, mixed with an even helping of naturistic macro shots of leaf veins n waterdrops, and a few happy family in sunlit fields, cornsilk hair, etc... yknow the drill. Think Family First, without the incestuous god bothering overtones. But a lil godbothering couldn't hurt either. Maybe a bit about sensible options for managing common and debilitating conditions like chronic pain (half the adults in the room just perked their ears, eh?), anxiety disorders, sleep abnormalities, fatigue, etc (that cost the aussie economy x billion) rather than using the commonly available things (that are pricey, addictive, sometimes dodgy, made by non Aussie owned companies, and hands off for the consumer, mess up your kids, get abused by junkies, kill people, etc) that those fatcats in canberra want to keep out of the hands of ordinary hard working Australian families... so that they get rich on kickbacks from drug cos (aussies love a bit of "yeah, the bastards, my cousin had a thing once...") while you lose money from days off work, bla bla... its not like we don't already know all the buzzwords and flags people use to talk aussies into anything else, even dumb things that are bad for them. We already have a strong presence of other herbal medicines and alternative therapies, weird ethnic spices in cooking, a strong undercurrent of latent criminality (and the righteous indignation that comes with it, haha) a DIY culture and a definite swing towards all things green weird and organic. Important to be motivated out of love for people that would be a lot better off if only they knew their options, than to either dwell on the cruelty of the current system OR go telling people theyre idiots to believe the hype, etc... start off somewhere at the level of "well you wnat the best for your kids... but whats better, the "new" way (camera cuts to blue-grey-grime spectrum shot of lil Timmy taking his Ritalin with big blank eyes all dark underneath, sitting like a frozen boy in a bubble in class in his blue grey world while the other kids are all in colour, eating his lunch of white useless bread and sugar spread, washed down with a liter of cola and some tap water with hundreds of chemicals in it) or the "old" way (shot of lil Timmy getting some decent sleep hygeine, a toxin free diet where possible, some tailored learning options and a mild herbal calming agent and some ginkgo and fish oil so his brain can actually retain something that couldnt get you high if you tried... then getting out of his bubble and getting in on the colour and fun with the other kids).... for more information, please call 13 whatever or www.wherever.com" It doesn't have to make complete and unrelenting "sense" (watch the news, haha) to start with, its about the emotions you can trigger a mild twinge about, THEN providing your party/product/weblink as the start of the solution (all without ever saying tht anyone in particular has any sort of real "problem"). People are actually pretty bright if you give em half a chance, its just making them sit down long enough to listen to the facts relevent to making their lives happier/easier/safer, whatever. Only a nong would tell you to shut up if you mention you know somethign that'd be good for their back pain... and its easy from there to lead them around to "well, theres lots of other things too but thanks to the big boys, who think you can't be trusted, we can't use them, and now theyre getting to ban things quicker than anyone can research them". That Sean Connery movie where he finds the ants in the fruit in some jungle that cure some disease or other (lil hazy now) was pretty popular at the time, yeah its mainly scenery, but the theme was a pretty clear one... don't burn bridges before you even take a good look at where they GO. Yeah and no junky looking speakers... strictly middle aged bespectacled types with the factoids, young to middle aged mums and dads with their trouble lil critters, older people n boomers for quotes about affordability and safety (when I was a kid we took mustard for every damned thing and noone ever died, what nonsense!)... repackage quotes from other cronies so economists talking in black n white about days of work and chronic pain costs, bla bla... the info is all there it just needs to be put into easily digestible bite size chunks with all the gristle cut off for the hard of chewing ;) VM

Yep no probs there Sina, once I read "turkish" my mind automatically diverts to "red" "coffee" or "bread" so the pain fades pretty quickly! And you probably used to have roos until all the pollies rocked up... they didnt want to be shown up by an even lazier pack of back scratchers who try to stay out of the sun Devance, the woman of this house would eat more animal parts in a month than I would in 10 years, but you get that when you grew up in Gulf country (Carpentaria that is, not Persian). if I plate up a good stake I have to get my hand away real quick of I'd be counting to 10 by taking a sock off. But then we only got our lil one to eat some fresh barra by telling her it was tofu, to start with...funny old world. Organs are alright, but have to watch eating organs or really any part of wild animals without a very good visual, check liver for flukes etc, brain for cavities, then cook like hell unless you're one of those still bleeding and bleating kind of meat eaters. Esp given macropod habits of laying in damp soil under trees etc, very worth your while to check it out properly first. We don't get hookworms like PNG but then its not like all our soil life has been thoroughly researched, exactly. certainly have seen a lot of wormy and ulcerous pockets in muscle and just under skin on roos and wallabies, thats why they scratch so much... bugs n such living in their skin, plus the usual sand fleas and bush ticks too. they need goanna oil, haha. This whole thing reminds me of the case a while ago when a Mr. Mailman ate an echidna Deer is pretty tasty, in Torres Strait they shoot a lot of em (and pigs too) over on prince of wales island... extra chilli and fresh tamarind on a big plate of satay deer and coconut sticky rice... amazing! But if you call it venison people get confused, so its just deer. I'm more prone to reefing the car over to the side of the road to knock off a shirtful of fruit or herbs, but a few ppl we know see roadkill as free dogfood, if its fresh. VM

"will take profits away from the pharm companies either" - isn't that what the spice mob is now, putting that much store in some undisclosed synthetic? If Roche started using botanical bases for their benzos, I don't think that would suddenely make them "esteemed purveyors of rare and sacred botanicals" or do we just mean the big ones? Weird stuff, this. Does not sit well in my brain, somehow. Very few things after a couple tokes will my brain say "this is bad for you"... but it happened with this. Scan of the ingredients (listed, that is) seem more like someone tried to make a nice all round tonic tea for womens issues... it reads like a "whos who" of widely loved especially North American womens herbs, all its missing is some Black Haw and Squaw Root! It would be very very efficient in that capacity, esp with the clover, chaste n motherwort. maybe someone mixed it up for their wife and then spilt something on it, haha. maybe the makers should make one for men, say syrian rue goo on a saw palmetto base with a big fat mandragore chucked in on principle... Whatever is in it, certainly has some capacity to elbow more widely appreciated things out of the way... eg... couple tokes of spicegirl after quite a few of the original and still the best, and suddenly youre in wide awake and straight as a nail land... very disconcerting! I can see how it kinda hits the spot for the hard up, but anyone that thinks this stuff is "just like real weed" either gets some fucking awful smoko on average, or is too soft upstairs to even think about getting blasted with anything much, haha. Nice of em to add the vanilla to explain the (I suspect...) vanilla taste of their godless compounds though... anyone else notice that cyperus seed can have a very similar sweetness on the outbreath? Desmodium roots have the same thing at times... makes me wonder why they even bothered with the possible synthetic C's when there's hardly a shortage of other things to give you the tinglies and sparklies, extremity sensations and hypnagoguic enhancement. I know analogues wise and marketing wise they have certain limits, but yeah... seems like they went to a lot of trouble for not much of a party. Taste wise, well there's no shortage of things to inject a lil spicey tangey hashiness either... this stuff just tastes like table sweepings after sorting a range of different plant materials, or something, mixed with port royal or any other honeysweet smoke... And they should have bound the marshmallow root powder more firmly, it tends to settle out on the tongue and inside the bag ,and as a panadol-sweet towards the end of of a measure... dodgy.Guess the white powderiness gives the kiddies something to goggle over, maaybe. Wouldn't be a problem but for x hundred dollars, they should have paid more attention. hell they coulda bunged some tragacanth resin in there, tiny amount, keep it all hanging out together, slow burn rate a lil, AND theyd get to put "acacia" on their ingredients just to get the bogans guessing, haha. Not a bad smoke, I'd probably buy it at ...eh... a dollar a g Seriously. Its criminal using peoples good intentions against em to get that much money out of them. Though they should be congratulated for spending that much time spamming various forums n sites with their propaganda... just like the real thing indeed... yeah...cept noone has to smoke 3 huge spliffs in under an hour to get a very slight sensation of satiety, with lingering traces of sanity...bugger that. Charging so much helps, I see lots of posts on forums of "got this on order" and a week later "yeah tis amazing!" well you'd say that, you'd look like a bit of a nong to blow that much cash and go to bed straight anyway I reckon if they did charge a dollar a g, few would hold it in such high esteem ;) Fiscal placebo? Just mix your own, or outsource to someone who can, these jokers have enough money I reckon. VM

Yeah, God wants you to do that, I'm sure. I can see how such terrible things happen though,in that sick sense way... the way some ppl cling to ideas and the way kids just push and push issues, its just in their nature as self educators to find out what happens when you take things to ridiculous extremes... so not going to work out in interactions with adults that never got past that stage emselves. Sad stuff. Poses questions all round, least of all for any of us prone to reincarnation-themed beliefs. Takes some seriously bad juices to turn off some ofthe mammalian or even just the animal words strongest of instincts... heres the rest of the planet , feeding half the kids in the street come lunchtime or leaving scraps out for possums, just for having a pair of eyeballs and fur, essentially... and theres people that do/allow others to do things like that... its almost disorientatingly foreign... the buildings and things are all familiar but the contexts are just way off. VM

Buying something from woolies that you can probably skittle on the way to do your late night shop sounds funny to me Thats the tenderised kind I meant thunder... there's a great spot to keep the tourists n real estate speculators guessing about half an hour up the road from me, someone has hit (I think) a big red male that had tried twice before to climb in thru my driverside door around sunset... most ppl this way have the full blown high set landcruiser with 7 post 200 kilo mammal shredding attachment on the front... it's turned a 6 foot animal into literally a 30 metre stretch of pure red road... we did notice a reduced level of tirekickers and whatnot until the rain washed most of it off. Could be an idea for anyone else living an area at risk from totalitarian compact fourby drivers. Doesn't get any more tender than that, anyway. Sina, never use the C word around me again (chorizo, that is) I do ok as a hunter of ferocious legumes until someone does something like that! VM

I can get you some LOVELY fresh roomeat Teotz, pretenderised at that Wallaby is ok too, smaller animal more suited for making say nuggets or sausages It can taste ok, makes a good jerky as its really lean... if you've ever had deer Teotz, think a mature male at the start of summer, and take out half the taste? Kind of. Not bad. Not great. Good in lil marinated bits, flash grill. Wild ones can be infested with worms and other parasites, some country ppl feed their working dogs roo and emu with the worms in to provide them (supposedly) with some kind of immunity to them... don't know if it works. My other half is a country girl, mention eating any of our better known forms of mobile speedbumps around her and she just shudders, haha. People do get awfully funny about eating them from the lovey dovey side of things, but if you eat any grazing animals in a commercial sense, probably better off with a lower impact one like a roo than some big innefficient needy hard hoofed root-ripper like most things we farm. VM

On the other hand, we might as well start blaming American intervetion in advance... Just so we not wagonjumpers later on... VM

I find completely intentional creative visualisations of nothing much... eg random object... car keys... just imagine your car keys, feel smell tinkle shine knick knacks... move to something else... don't over do it. Seems the brain has a quote of "imaginings" to get done around sleepy times and if you give it a good walk, it relaxesbetter later on. But if you leave it to its own devices to keep itself amused... watch out. Me, anyway. Christ, codeine, benzos, I reckon a 2 kilo splat mallet to the brain would do the trick as well but yeah... a lifetime benzo addiction sounds like more of a nightmare than anything I've dreamt, so far. Codeine is a weird lil thing... I find it ups my twilight state but knocks arse out of my dream state... not recall, theres just not as much goiing on to remember... and normally theres a LOT to remember. But a few nights of that and youll get backed up, and rising levels of bodily inflammation thanks to big lumps of shite hanging around is probably not the best thing for a good nights sleep. Valerian knocks my dream states to shreds but makes me depressed after a few days on it... pity, as it's pretty effective for the price if you track down raw material rather than some dodgy teabag gear. VM

Georgian police made drug addicts of us http://sojcc.ru/eng_news/1451.html and, "Ossetia is Gangsta"... just a something to balance the grimness of the image above^ interesting gene pool. http://skkskk.narod.ru/forum/slides/DSC03819.html

It always comes down to some rich fat warped greedy overindulged old pigs getting bright young things to run about doing horrific things to one another. Senseless. Everyone in that photo is a victim, and all of us for seeing it too. BUT... remember it when you make choices maybe... if you can be nasty, or nice, remember that the extreme of nasty is that filth... and the extreme of nice is what... vanilla flavoured ukranian lingerie models running amok with supersoakers full of liquid acid, planting flowers at childrens hospitals. Pick a future, and make it real! Illustrated btw would seem to be what happens when a modern assault rifle round impacts the lung and possibly heart tissue... note flecking around the mouth and general "neat" appearance. Modern combat forces are trained rigorously to dispatch typically three rounds to the centre of "visible mass". No people on the streets these days...visible masses. You'll see identical kills in hunting. He probably felt a whole fucking lot, but not for very long. Hydrostatic shock is a nasty creature. Note too that this visible mass wears his runners in the classic "ready laced" style, hallmark of the laid back and unassuming. Do they get high around there? Guess it's not too far from hash country. Poor bloke was probably trying to get his wheelie bin in, or pick up some durries. Maybe he was about to do the same to someone else with HIS assault rifle, since pillaged, as you read this being held by some other poor fucker about to have to live with doing it to someone else for the rest of his life... These days of course, there's not many serviceable old soviety weapons, it's all Chinese knockoffs. But they do put on a lovely Olympics, eh? I saw a thing awhile ago on Rwandan ethic cleansers...bushknife types... most serving bullshit long sentences, hard time, etc... all to man entirely and sincerely sorry as complete fuck... you could tell they felt it, meant it... but brainwashing and social coersion and sometimes outright threats make em sign up. I went to high school with a girl from Georgia... her grandad was disappeared back in the day for organising choir meetings. No church, just choir. With a past like that to tap into, it'll all get very former Yugo, soon, pine trees included... some old scary arsed blood in those backwoods. So, any guesses as to which highly pricey mineral is actually under these poor bastards? Seems to be the main motivator of late... it's why we keep PNG at least mildly bruised at all times. Count ourselves lucky we have high profile buyers of our radioactive death nuggets. This is interesting... http://www.slate.com/id/2191588/entry/2191589/ can't say I know that much about this mob, but it sounds like the same old story... just want a patch of dirt without kicks in the guts to keep it. Also sounds like SO is a small place indeed... so it's doesn't take too many shots before just about everyone has a personal motivation to get in on the action... nasty recipe. then even if it's "sorted" it becomes a generational thing, bla bla... bullshit. VM

Have you ever read any John Fowles, specifically the Magus? Or checked out any Bosch or Dega? You might like them. Your piece puts me in mind of Poe's the pendulum meets the traumatherapy in Sterlings "The Shockwave Rider" VM

So how'd your travels go? VM

***Most deranged crap in this post is entirely tongue in cheek, in pure jest (coming from a serious place) and unlike the tripe on this link, I don't believe a word of it personally*** http://www.australianspirit.org/ Check this out. Then, use it as an exercise in subjectivism, turning negative energy into a positive learning experience, and understanding why I carry on like a cranky old lady sometimes. There's a special section in there for nearly everyone here... how thoughtful! Very inclusive, well researched and evolved thinking... what could BE MORE AUSSIE!!! Now I have the dilemna that I identify as Aboriginal, so feel honour bound as a good Aussie to don a flag made from various European naval insignia, like a cape, knock off a carton of beer made to a German recipe in factories owned by an English company, hop in my Japanese made ute (or Australian badged US General Motors knockoff, minus safety features, airbags and the other 120 kilowatts), do a couple blockies of my small town (founded by German Lutherans, built by Scots and blackfellas, staffed for decades with Irish and English) and bash myself senseless with either a cricket (poofter pommie game) bat, or a baseball (stupid seppo game, with poofters). I'm lucky I'm not gay or it'd be a particular vicious bashing, so that more of my allegedly godless and diseased blood is made mobile. BUT..while that all seems straightforward... the kids next door are adopted from Africa, and whilst not old enough for some to go attaching a gender preference to yet, they certainly would probably be lousey with aids right? Esp dodgy is that in a few years being boys they will be raping (as part of their aids related rituals) the local blankly Teutonic looking lassies (who should by rights get knocked up at 17 by some drunken farmboy that is actually her third cousin). What to do? Craziest shit I've seen since last time I talked to white supremacist Aryan types at a militaria fair in Brissie... they weren't bad blokes despite being hardly masters of any race, not even a three legged one, not knowing what "aryan" actually meant and getting pretty upset when I pointed out that the banjo (banjos music on his cd player) was an African invention. They gave me two pamphlets... one saying the holocaust never happened, the other saying Hitler was a top bloke. I laughed, they didn't. Why are so many master race types essentially marshmallow shaped inbred fucks from the parts of the gene pool you wouldn't want your toes to touch? Why can't people have a love for themselves without it making a hate for someone or something else? These people aren't even trying to master themselves... which'd be ok, if they were accepting of things as they are. Whingers, not fixers. The things people would do if they realised rum was once the only option of enslaved black people theyd be shittin polar bears all over their cheap Indonesian furniture. VM