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5 hours ago, Responsible Choice said:

As WuTang rightly noted "Cash Rules Everything Around Me, CREAM! Get the money, dollar, dollar bills y'all..." 

 

And Gordon Gekko for president! 

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Cannabis is now legal in South Africa???!!! :o

 

https://hightimes.com/news/south-african-court-rules-private-adult-use-cannabis-legal/

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3 hours ago, Glaukus said:

That's a pretty drastic change.

 For sure, but only personal use and possession at home. Apparently the change doesn't cover being in possession outside of your property... No dispensaries at this early stage :blush::unsure:

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https://hightimes.com/news/canada-estimates-billion-legal-cannabis-sales-first-three-months/

 

Statistics Canada, the organization behind Canada’s census and hundreds of other crowdsourced data collection programs, is predicting that the country’s legal cannabis sales could reach as high as $1.02 billion from the commencement of the retail market on October 17 through the end of the year. 

 

"Nah mate, nah. Not gunna happen in Australia anytime soon..." :blink:

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https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/a-drug-derived-from-marijuana-has-triggered-the-first-us-federal-shift-on-cannabis-in-half-a-century-and-experts-predict-an-avalanche-effect/ar-BBNCN2c?li=AAgfOd8&ocid=mailsignout

 

On the face of it, good news.... I guess. But then you all know my thoughts on this. What I get from this article is just how nicely the corporate agenda is squeezing its greedy hands so tightly around the throat of medicinal cannabis. Loosening prohibition on Cannabis was only ever going to happen once big pharma and corporate government could get regulation and legislation in place to protect their profit.

 

  "But they are also aware that desperate people - especially parents of young children - may seek alternate sources of CBD that might be cheaper and don't require a prescription. In August, GW Pharmaceuticals, the company that makes Epidiolex, announced on a call with investors that the treatment would cost roughly $US32,500 a year."

 

"But they are also aware that desperate people...." What???? To me this is literally saying "Fuck the poor." US$32 000 (approx. AU$44 000) a year in a country where the median gross wage for 2017-18 was estimated at just AU$50 063. I'm sorry, but US$32 00 a year is just ludicrous. If (perhaps when) the FDA/DEA decision has a flow-on effect which will dribble into the hallowed halls of the TGA in Australia (and if you're holding your breath, prepare for a long stint without oxygen) will it positively change what we already have in place here? We already have some medicinal Cannabis products available, but only via private prescription (you pay the full cost as it is not on the PBS, nor is it likely to be soon). But just ask your GP how difficult it is to get a script approved, and how much you'll be out of pocket..  My gut feeling tells me, unless you have private health insurance (who at present offer no coverage for medicinal Cannabis), the chances of average Australians being able to afford this treatment will be low. And even if private health insurers come on board, the cost will still likely be prohibitive for most.

 

From the Medicinal Cannabis Medicines Portal (MCMP) website:  

How much does Medicinal Cannabis cost and is it on the PBS?

Medicinal Cannabis is a private prescription only medicine (in other words, you pay the total cost for this prescription), and costs depend on the strength of the product and the dosage form.

The MCMP provides access to a variety of Medicinal Cannabis products from multiple manufacturers. Specialists, Doctor and Pharmacies registered with the Medicinal Cannabis Medicines Portal can advise the products available and the cost of those medicines. By law, the list of registered doctors and pharmacies who have agreed to prescribe and dispense the medicinal cannabis facilitated by the portal can’t be displayed to the public. A Special Interest Group Pharmacy or Doctor should be able to assist you with this information.

All Medicinal Cannabis products available through the MCMP can be accessed at MCMP Network Pharmacies with the added security of a maximum price to patients. That pharmacist will be able to confirm the price for you, and your doctor will also be able to advise the maximum price for the appropriate medication during your consultation.

 

https://hempindustrydaily.com/dea-takes-cbd-off-schedule-1-with-fdas-approval/

 

  "Shares of GW Pharmaceuticals, which trades on the Nasdaq as GWPH, closed at $174.50 Thursday, an increase of almost 7% and a record high for a cannabis stock on any exchange."

 

Mmmmmmmoney, money, money.

 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/pot-topics-cbd-oil-elon-musk-marijuana/

 

On a related note, and this one's a bit of a mixed bag of info, I did find this article's Elon Musk reference both sad and humorous. Sad because, not only is it again about money, but the issue which has lead to Musk having to step down as Chairman of Tesla has nothing to do with Cannabis. Humorous because apparently the SEC reckons someone with Musk's level of awareness and intelligence has only recently learned of the connection between the number "420" and the Cannabis Culture.

 

For the sake of the argument, just imagine Musk's troubles with the SEC were predominantly due to his proposed private share value being $420.00, only because that figure relates to Cannabis. Call me a cynic, but does this seem to infer it is morally ok to make millions from sick people (who desperately need this medicine) so long as you're part of the pharmaceutical (Cannabis) industry, but not ok to make millions from wealthy people (who are investing in renewable energy - and flying into space), by apparently making a veiled reference to the Marijuana Culture? Or perhaps it was just because his girlfriend (as I did) would find it amusing?

 

I know it's a utopian attitude, but having worked in mainstream medicine for 30 years, I believe we need to urgently find a way to separate money from medicine because everyone should have access to affordable medical treatment, whether they live in a sewer or a penthouse.

 

  “Big Pharma needs sick people to prosper. Patients, not healthy people, are their customers. If everybody was cured of a particular illness or disease, pharmaceutical companies would lose 100% of their profits on the products they sell for that ailment. What all this means is because modern medicine is so heavily intertwined with the financial profits culture, it’s a sickness industry more than it is a health industry.”
― James Morcan, The Orphan Conspiracies: 29 Conspiracy Theories from The Orphan Trilogy  

 

 

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I don't watch much free to air TV but i heard the end of something anti cannabis ad from the United party against the Greens i wasn't paying attention just heard some shit at the end.

 

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At least there is 'fors' hopefully something happens this time around im dreaming of the day.  

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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/family-forced-to-pay-dollar40k-a-year-for-sons-medicinal-cannabis/ar-BBO7QAW?li=AAgfIYZ&ocid=mailsignout

 

 

 

… $40 000 a year..... despite the fact we could see this coming, I just can't think of something to say which would be constructive at this point. "Tis Fucked :angry:

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In a word, 'predictable'. That said I feel that the big pharma net can only catch the initial phases of this change, which I am sure is what they want, i.e. to posit themselves as the legitimate, 'non-drug' version of cannabis, because in this day and age if it isn't refined to the point of a single dose pill or liquid you can't really class it as medicine can you? :huh:

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This is what sensible reform looks like in the developed world:

 

https://hightimes.com/news/canadian-police-urge-people-stop-calling-them-about-cannabis/

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Straight up:

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-21/canada-legalised-cannabis-pot/10395056

 

Canada has legalised cannabis. And I'm not interested in celebrating. I'm interested in preparing — preparing for cannabis legalisation by ensuring we have the best health and safety measures in place before it hits our shores.

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10 minutes ago, Responsible Choice said:

Straight up:

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-21/canada-legalised-cannabis-pot/10395056

 

Canada has legalised cannabis. And I'm not interested in celebrating. I'm interested in preparing — preparing for cannabis legalisation by ensuring we have the best health and safety measures in place before it hits our shores.

Amen brother 

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https://hightimes.com/news/dsuvia-the-opioid-10-times-stronger-than-fentanyl-the-fda-just-approved/

 

Didn't the British defeat the Chinese by flooding their shores with opium? :huh: 

 

So the next question is who then are the pharmaceutical companies through donations to government trying to weaken and control...? The answer rhymes with poo.

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On 11/11/2018 at 10:22 PM, Responsible Choice said:

https://hightimes.com/news/dsuvia-the-opioid-10-times-stronger-than-fentanyl-the-fda-just-approved/

Didn't the British defeat the Chinese by flooding their shores with opium? :huh: 

So the next question is who then are the pharmaceutical companies through donations to government trying to weaken and control...? The answer rhymes with poo.

 

Don't get me wrong RC, I'm buying what you're selling re: shady motives behind our drug policies. But I just can't make out how this particular piece goes with that particular conspiracy theory. If you wanted to pick an opioid for crowd-control purposes... sufentanil isn't it. And this specific formulation that's been approved here - "Dsuvia" - is even less so. It's going to be expensive, highly restricted, and may well be the shortest-acting opioid in therapeutic use today. If people in the US want to take something that fits that description, then they can just go buy some of the huge volume of illicit fentanyl that's been raining down on that continent recently... that lasts twice as long, plus you don't need to steal it from army medics or hospitals. And if people decide that sufentanil is the bees knees after all, and there actually *is* a demand for it... then it will just be made by the kilo in a lab in China.

 

Either way, the FDA decision to approve this drug (a limited-application version of this opioid which has been in use as an anaesthesic since the 80's) isn't really going to make much difference either way that I can see. As far as fentanyl analogues which are currently available in the US, Dsuvia is barely a drop in that ocean. And if people do really want to take this specific one recreationally, I doubt they're going to care whether it's been FDA-approved or not.

 

And all of this seems to apply even less to Australia in light of this year's codeine restrictions -  gotta say, if they're trying to subdue us with opioids, that seems like a really arse-backwards way to go about it. But I'm all onboard with an Operation Opium Flood government program - perhaps they just need a little help getting started - maybe I should offer to coach them?

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Agree with all you've said. I guess my question is why create a more potent form of probably the most problematic and addictive substance in the developed world today? I get all of the hoops etc. involved in obtaining it, but like you said with all the other opiates it means fuck all because I can get it if I want it. Just gotta get enough people to 'try' it, and voila, new customer base for ever. I'm not trying to say they are trying to control us, rather addict us then manipulate us I guess...

 

 

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https://tendaily.com.au/news/australia/a181127oxz/canberra-is-just-one-vote-away-from-legalising-marijuana-20181127

 

Possessing up to 50 grams of cannabis or four marijuana plants for personal use could soon be legal in the Australian Capital Territory.

A private members bill to legalise cannabis for personal use has the unanimous support of the capital's Labor minority government and only requires one extra vote from either the Greens, or the Liberal Party.

 

Let's see old mate the greenies seal the deal then aye? :wink:

 

Oh, and this:

 

https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/mps-bid-to-legalise-cannabis-in-victoria/news-story/8ca7a5eef7653744a7a5bd9909128f90

 

I still reckon SA and ACT would be highly unlikely to let the honours go to any other state given their current laws around cannabis. In these crazy times who knows who will be the first state? Oh I know, the ones whose governments are the most money-hungry, donation-taking liars. Almost forgot!

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We're fucked here in QLD. They'd rather spend millions on sniper drones to hunt down potheads before they legalise.

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Nah mate, it's just a matter of time. The game is dominos now for sure... :wink:

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Food for thought in Australia I reckon:

 

https://hightimes.com/news/after-cannabis-quebec-lawmakers-considering-raising-drinking-age/

 

After introducing a bill upping the age of majority for cannabis to 21 and banning public consumption, Quebec’s junior health minister suggests raising the drinking age as well.

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On ‎7‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 3:13 PM, Responsible Choice said:

Food for thought in Australia I reckon:

 

 

I think considering raising the legal drinking age in Oz to 21 is worthy (I would support it), I'm not sure it will be effective unless it is supported by other measures. Set at 18, it has not stopped what I suspect is a large number of kids as young as 12 and 13 drinking. I'm thinking the use of cannabis among the same age group might be either pretty close to the same, if not more prevalent.

 

Perhaps we could also consider a greater focus on educating our young about not just alcohol, but all substances of abuse, as well as mental health. If they first understand how these substances work in the body to produce the effects they do (both the negative and the positive, especially the neural effects), and then gain an insight as to why people turn to them and why some develop dependence, I think we have a greater chance of seeing our kids make wiser decisions with a lesser burden of punitive consequences. And I don't think this will be as effective as it could be if we don't find a way to make them really interested in learning and fully understanding these subjects. This could be the toughest part.... initially.

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