My seed grown peyote is flowering

[rahli]

I've been growing a few peyotes from seed for the last 4 years or so.

This puppy is the first to flower.

The seed was from a mixed Loph will seed packet purchased from the Shaman Australis Shop and there is a fair variety in form present. I'll post a few more pics of the different forms soon.

If anyone else has some pics of buttons that "they" have raised from seed feel free to share them in this thread.

[bℓσωηG]

Nice form ! nice flower ! nice gravel !

lol , looks like the same sort of iron type gravel we get in the west .

[bogfrog]

awesome!!

[GoOnThen]

That must put a smile on your dial

Good stuff rahli

Cheers

Got

[tripsis]

Beautiful plant and flower. Nice one rahli.

[Hellonasty]

A great achievement and very well grown, a credit to you.

[Philocacti]

this is beautiful rahil

I guess you are more proud than people who have flowering peyotes that were grafted on pereskiopsis

these are mine, less than a year old

[rahli]

Thanks folks. They are just starting to become worth photographing and I've been waiting 4 years. It's sure worth it but.

Nice seedlings Philocacti. When do you plan to harden them up? Are they all from the same seed or are you expecting a variety of form?

Here is another pic of a seedling with very similar form to the individual that is flowering in the first post.

[Ethos]

beautiful cactus rahli,

How big is the one that flowered? you should be very proud it looks mighty healthy.

more pics

[ErraneousHerbalist]

Beautiful cactus rahli! Well done

[rahli]

Found a couple of pics of when the seedlings where young.

There are four seedlings that display the "Long form". Personally this Loph type annoys the shit out of me but I guess diversity can only be good within the population.

This pic was taken in Feb 2008. All the seedlings where given the same conditions and these puppies are given to stretch.

And here is what I think is the same two over on the right of the first pic, a few months later in at the end of May.

The long form has maintained true resulting in a precarious looking individual that manages to hold itself up after a top heavy period of laying on their side.

The first two are still laying over but under their own weight.

The second two have managed to straighten. The first and second and the third and forth seedlings look fairly similar in form which makes me think these seedling are growing true to form and not etiolated. They have also been raised in exactly the same conditions as the other seedlings which have formed the more standard flat button form.

Has anyone else grown any long form seedlings and what are there opinions on this form presenting? Genetic or environmental?

Edited October 15, 2011 by rahli

[Ethos]

wow, those are amazing

[rahli]

How big is the one that flowered?

 

The one that is flowering in the first pic is about 4.7cm across.

This is the largest at 5cm

Edited October 15, 2011 by rahli

[tripsis]

Gorgeous plants rahli. I must say your plants have always been very inspirational.

Do you ever have problems with spider mites or mealy bugs?

[rahli]

I don't think spidermites or mealy bugs are an issue here where I live.

The biggest issue is the monsoon when it rains nearly everyday for a couple of months. It can get that wet that even when protected from the rain the buttons can grow a black mildew on their skin and look pretty tired and run down until the new growth gets rid of it. That is what happened in the last wet. This time of year is when they are looking their finest. Around the end of December they will start to bunker down a bit for the wet as they wont get much sun and I wont water them all that much. They should start growing nicely again by around May.

[rahli]

Just put this puppy up for auction. All proceeds to go to EGA.

Make a bid for her and support EGA

[rahli]

Here is a couple more from the same grow.

The one below looks similar to the one on auction for EGA

The little one below is the smallest

and this last one is the second smallest but also one of my favorites

Edited October 17, 2011 by rahli

[parzival]

fucking beautiful ladies & gents

[Shroomeup]

Wow, there's heaps of variation in that last four.

[woof woof woof]

Proud daddy you!

I'm not so sure that it's a 'long' form. Too me it looks like the root is not buried deep enough from the inital stage. I could be wrong. I had plenty of those with normal ones also comming from seeds of the same plant. They elongated probably because I either left them in too much shade & a high humidity. ( I can see that there are some normal ones in the same tray, but still that doesnt completely convince me).

[rahli]

Yeah I was leaning towards it as the long ones look so similar in form on the face of the button and they are the only ones to stretch in such a fashion.

I'd be interested to hear how your etiolated seedlings progressed. Do you have any pics?

The long tap root was originally green flesh that hardened up to look like an extended tap root. It'll be interesting to see how they look in 10 years or so.

[rahli]

These Ariocarpus fissuratus seedlings where planted at the same time approx 4 years ago. I had two graft onto peres but both have died before flowering. I hope these two puppies get to flower. Might even get some seed one day if I'm lucky.

[zelly]

I'm curious about what appears to be a scale like mineral buildup on the tips of the tubercles and also seen around the top of the pots.

Do you see this same mineral build up on your other potted cacti?

How are you watering? top, bottom, spray? Does water ever touch the plants?

What accounts for this mineral buildup?

& fwiw- I've seed grown ario's slightly larger than your top pic which flower & produce seed, so yours should be flowering as well in a yr or so.

[rahli]

Good to hear that they should be flowering soon.

The mineral buildup is from top watering them with soluble fertilisers. I like to mix fish emulsion, seaweed extract, miracle grow, some hydroponics mix and the odd sprinkle of trace elements to the watering regime every couple of weeks or so during the growing season. I don't bother with soaking them as its quicker to just top water, but I do try to avoid wetting the tufts on the Lophs. As the arios are still quite small they do get saturated often. The mineral build up doesn't seem to bother them too much. It tends to show up on the arios more as they have shiny bumpy skin which i suspect is very efficient at catching condensation out of the air and directing it towards the roots. these guys look wet when it rains even when they don't seem to be getting directly sprayed. I think these surface attributes are much more conducive to accumulating scale then say the surface of a Loph which are more matte. From what I can tell Lophs also grow quicker so can shrug it off faster also.

I was thinking a little more on the "Long Form" Lophs that I have. I use this term because I saw a couple for sale a few years ago on ebay from a loph seller. I figured it was just a scam to offload a few shitty Lophs but I suspect now that it could be a form.

If this is a form presenting due to genetic potential one would ask "when would this potential benefit the individual"? Okay I've had a think on this and come to the conclusion that this form, if that is what it is, could have evolved to grow on soil trapped within cracks in limestone karst. This attribute would then allow the seedling to stretch to the surface of the karst, then proceed to grow into its niche.

This is only a guess though as the seeds came from a mixed lot so I can't back track their original location. If anyone else has grown long form or etiolated lophs to adulthood and know the location their seeds came from this information could determine if limestone is a dominant habitat within the area and shed some light on whether there is any truth in this theory.

Edited October 22, 2011 by rahli