British Special Forces Caught Carrying Out Staged Terror In Iraq?

[Darklight]

Torsten:

And who criticised you for using the word cynic?

I don't think cynic is a derogatory term

[ShiningPlain]

Torsten - um, i have posted in other people's topics. and i'm just trying to help out, not be a "newbie" or troll.

describe what an "extreme" source is. much mainstream news is extreme (i.e. foxnews and al jazeera), but infowars is mostly a collection of VARIOUS news sources. this story is true (the basics of it anyway), and many other news organizations have reported on it. but of course, many of the mainstream news organizations have had to pull or edit their stories.

[ 01. October 2005, 14:46: Message edited by: ShiningPlain ]

[Torsten]

I can't believe that 2 hours ago I was defending this guy against moderator accusation in email wars and by the end of the night I have no hesitation to say good bye. Some people just know how to rub everyone up the wrong way.

Anyway, if he decides to edit the insult I might unban him, but until then we no longer have to worry about the nature boy vs natureboy membername issue.

[Torsten]

Originally posted by nature boy:

(cheers for calling me a newbie)

You signed up this month. That makes you a newbie.

oh no, i'm losing it! i was being sarcastic man, so get a clue! don't act like you don't know what sarcasm is, because i can clearly see you're a very sarcastic person.

Yep, I am sarcastic. But I usually also make sense.

maybe i didn't send you a PM, but i did send a PM to alot of other people here. i must have thought that you were a hard working moderator, and because of this, you didn't need extra work.

You really have no idea which way is up eh?

You sent me a PM. I replied to it. You replied to that. I even posted your last reply in my last post, so I don't understand why you now claim you might not have sent one.

i do respect rules, i just didn't think this forum was this strict. i'm not the kind of person that reads the small print of every single forum he joins.

It isn't strict and it may not even be in the fine print. We expect a general level of civility here. If you need fine print to teach you that then you are in the wrong place anyway.

i know what a bloody troll is, mmmkay. it doesn't matter anyway, because all you're fucking doing now is insulting me; and INSULTS AREN'T ALLOWED HERE SIR.

It's not an insult. Maybe you need to look it up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

this story is true, and many other news organizations have reported it, so once again, get a clue.

Much of it is true. Some of it probably isn't. Just because lots of newagencies report it doesn't mean it makes it more truthful.

intolerant of other people's opinions? yeah you're right, you nailed me! YOU KNOW ME! fucking moderators these days with all of their assumptions...

Calling people assholes for their opinions is being intolerant. I don't need to know you to see that. All I see is how you present yourself here in this thread and I base my decision on that.

i am chill, i'm just sick of conformity, oppressive authority, and HYPOCRISY.

Most people here hate the same things, but somehow you've managed to turn them into opponents rather than allies. What does that tell you?

ban me, i don't care. nicely detailed places with lots of good people (such as this one) don't mean jack shit if they're controlled by CYNICAL ARSEHOLES!

I've got a thick skin and normally wouldn't ban someone for taking me on and insulting me like that, but in this case the insult itself shows that you have no intentions of editing your initial insult to apothecary and hence you are no longer welcome here.

That said, I know folks sometimes just need to cool down, sober up, or get some other perspective. Should this occur to you then feel free to PM me (you can still use the PM system, you just can't post publically).

[woof woof woof]

very typical for NATURE BOY's, the beast in them is hard to tame - lots of anger.

Hey and most of us know that when signing up for a forum , we skip all the yada yada yada - hit agree to terms. ( including the fine print we skip where it states that you now owe SAB a monthly fee of 100 AUS$ or a purchase of minimally that amount, or face heavy penalties, such as working in T's labour camp to keep the gardens clear of weeds)

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Bummer he had to leave so early. I like firey individuals - with time they tend to become the most driven ones - then again he forgot where was, and did not apologize.

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I did agree with some of the things he said though. It's allot about divide and conquer - through fear. Most powerful countries want to keep that edge and are willing to do what it takes to keep at least a foot between the door - then to keep their own poeple under control, they police more aggressivly. The fun thing is that this is what sparks the counter culture, and thus US - people that are looking to balance things out.

underground things can be so amazing or wickedly exiting - he he eh

repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music repetitive beat music :D

[mr toodly]

Darklight:

But where is the line between bias, which is inherent in most communication ( the recent looters vs starving survivors reports re. cyclones is a good example )- and conjecture? A distinction is valuable but unlikely to be universally applicable. And is a place where semantics meets politics.

The problem is that we are dealing with proximations, with vagueness. Strictly speaking, there is no line to draw. The concept is itself vague. But this does not mean we cannot identify cases that are doubtlessly incoherent with impartiality. We just have problems with borderline cases. My comments pertain to a case that was by no means borderline.

[mr toodly]

And the problem was not with conjecture per se, but a certain type of conjecture.

[mr toodly]

Darklight:

Talking to a couple of journo buddies a while back and they said that even our best and brightest papers are only aimed at a reading age of 12-14. Not sure how this translates to overseas newspapers.

I standards might be lower in my country: USA Today/Daily News =p

But what I meant by "standards" is that journalists, when they report news, conform to a certain set of rules. I didn't mean to say anything about the quality of the writing or the depth of the reports.

[Torsten]

brian - I don't think I've EVER read the rules for signing up to ANY forum. I believe that at the moment the rules for this forum are only the standard UBB rules that come with the software, so no special demands other than what every other internet community requires. Regardless, even an anarchist knows that civility is an important standard to keep society running smoothly no matter what political system it is based on. If someone needs to have civility explained to them then they'll need to practice their social skills elsewhere.

As I said, even if I find his posts irritating, this is no different to many others here and makes the community diverse. I don't control content unless it is divisive or offensive. I don't mind heated arguments either. In fact, I am often in the middle of them. And I can also appreciate that tempers get out of control and things get said that should not have been said. But at some point civility must take over again and the situation must normalise. Nature Boy had no intentions for that to happen and in fact made the point that it won't happen. If I don't ban him then I would promote the double standards and hypocrisy he himself abhors so much.

[Legba]

two sayings spring to mind...

1) know who stands before you.

2) you burn your ass - you sit on the boil

:D :D :D

[wandjina]

poor nature boy...he must be feeling pretty shit, enraged and embarressed right now.

I'm not saying I disagree with his 'booting', especially considering his offensive language and irritating proselytising, but seems to me he's just looking to impress, i.e. connect.

He tried soooo hard, and fucked it up. Whoops.

But havn't we all tried too hard and made idiots of ourselves at one time or other? It's tragic that the more insecure one feels, the more one tries to prove, and hence the more annoying others experience us to be.

I suppose you learn as you go, but I still think we should try to exercise compassion for 'try-hards' and the irritating. God knows i can be a right-royal pain in the arse!

[ 29. September 2005, 07:48: Message edited by: wandjina ]

[2b]

Just for the record "nature boy" invited me to his forum:

resist.com.au

The irony is that in one post i was reading there the poster was told by mods to be polite or no one will respect them.

[Torsten]

I got an invite to that forum too. Looks interesting. I wonder if I get booted if I start insulting people there

wandjina - I am well aware of what you are saying. He's got plenty of options. It's not like he has done something that would exclude him from this community for ever. He can do the right thing, apologise and edit the post and we will probably all respect him a lot more. Or he can do a shifty and sign up under a new name and behave himself. It really depends on how resilient his character is.

[Green Chemist]

Had a quick look at the forum you linked to. Isn't that resist grp the same people hanging around the universities and call them selves the socialist alternetive?? The same people who bashed ordinary australians who went to listen to Pauline Hanson and the same people who hold protests and try to start violent fights with the local police while doing their protests?

Certainly not my cup of tea.

[occidentalis]

There is a fairly well known group called Resistance who sell 'Green Left Weekly' - but I don't know if they did all those things so apologies if it's not them. I also don't know if they are related to the resist forum.

[nabraxas]

an anarchist knows that civility is an important standard to keep society running smoothly --maybe not just important, but essential; maybe the reason the whole "revolution ov thought" seems further away than ever.

[ 29. September 2005, 20:31: Message edited by: nabraxas ]

[Torsten]

the lack of civility and especially the appearance of many anarchists to reject civility is possibly the main reason why anarchy has such an image problem. It was certainly my main hurdle in understanding the merits of anarchism for many years.

[ShiningPlain]

i was a bit out of line, but i'm honestly not used this kind of "civility" in internet forums. i've also been a bit of an emotional wreck lately.

2b - that would have been me; but that was a completely different situation.

wandjina - nah.. i was just a little pissed off. and i'm just going to ignore your assumptions.

Green Chemist - not a part of that group.

creach - not a part of that group either.

nabraxas - i know all of that. just settle down people, okay? don't make such a big deal.

Torsten - i don't quite know what you mean with that last post, but there are real anarchists and non-anarchists.

[nabraxas]

nabraxas - i know all of that. just settle down people, okay? don't make such a big deal.

believe it or not, but my comment on civility was not aimed at you.

it IS a big deal.

in a society where people are willing to offer their seat on a train to an elderly person w/out being asked, there is a chance that some kind ov social revolution will be effective, however in a society where everyone is encouraged to be selfish competative individuals, i don't see much civility or much hope for any kind ov social revolution.

[ShiningPlain]

i'm totally with you on that, but it doesn't mean that conflict is always bad etc. and it also doesn't mean that there would be total justice in the world. maybe it would create alot more passive/aggressive people around? anyway, i didn't think it was aimed at me, i just thought it was something that didn't need to be said. you guys had already made the point of civility, and you were all already on the same wave length; so it was pretty much preaching to the choir. see, now i'm pretty much making a big deal.

maybe part of my reaction is from being somewhat pissy; pissy because my mum is always reminding me of common sense things that i've already totally learnt; and because i got picked on by authority alot in my younger years. anyway, i'm 22, and i still sometimes find it very hard to tolerate everybody. if a complete stranger comes at me with assumptions and accusations, i'll most likely have an inkling to tell them to get fucked (or whatever).

[ 03. October 2005, 00:43: Message edited by: ShiningPlain ]

[-YT-]

Good to see you have changed your name Shinning path. And decided to return Think most here can understand being pissed off and young, and being able to tolerate "mainstream" society can really get to one Good to see things sorted out :cool:

Spread the Love, YT

[ShiningPlain]

thanks, and yeah man, good to see you too. i wouldn't call it mainstream society though; i would call it human culture. it's all good though.

it's an insane world, but i'm proud to be a part of it.

bill hicks