Hoodia gordonii

[gomaos]

Mushroom hunting expeditions...cool. If you just could point me in the right direction..I live in Brisbane Queensland and there's plenty of champignons growing in the park opposite my house...if nothing much else...not like hunting subs in victoria or so...there's nothing much around here...except perhaps around cattle farms...I've seen plenty of gold tops on cow shit...10-20 years ago when I didn't care about them...oh well

[Rev]

hey gom

ijust sent you a PM but also - champignons? you eat them? amy good?

If so ill swap you a sceletium for some goosd prints?

I need to go up to bris soon anyway and i REALLY need some agaricus collections from north of here - plenty to the south and west.

A few dried shrooms would help too

let me know if we can help one another

[gomaos]

Sure you're welcome to drop in here any time, as would most other forum members, and we could take it from there...

prints would be good but I'll still have to find someone to TEACH ME how to grow the fricken things...yes I've been reading abut it many times, but I need someone to show me just ONCE...

oh well I've answered your email as well...

[Tryptameanie]

If you can find cow shit, you'll find cubensis eventually, and probably also Paneolus cyanascens or a close relative. They like tropical conditions.

BTW, there is cubes at my folks place that kept coming up for a week after frosts began(the frosts stained the caps blue). Presumably they're cold climate adapted. They seemed stronger than most too. Anyone want some spores?

[Slarty Fart Blaster]

Just a warning about Lipodrene

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/corr...ent/2947810.stm

"And beware internet sites offering Hoodia "pills" from the US as we tested the leading brand and discovered it has no discernible Hoodia in it. "

[gomaos]

Haven't been able to strike a single seed yet from the 10 seeds I planted...

beats me...

[Ed Dunkel]

I got two up, and they are staying in the seedling stage very long now. (2-3 months) Their first leaves haven't shown yet. Winter dormancy??? Too cold for them inside maybe???

They look like cacti seedlings but with two forked protrudences at the top with a slit between them. (yes, I should get a digital camera and make shots of them)

If they grow well and propagate easily like cacti then I will offer them to those that can't get them to germinate easily.

E D

ps. Anyone have suggestions

[planthelper]

a lady, at the markets told me, this cactus is a- hard one to grow. vibes told me: glasshouse a must, no fgn, too much water.

"a real cactus"

boracho

[Ed Dunkel]

Cheers for the advise but...

 

planthelper:

no fgn, too much water.

What does that mean, fng? no fucking too much water? :confused:

Shall I keep them on the dry side, like peyote, but a bit moister for the seedlings?

Cheers for any more advise.

[planthelper]

the, lady said: NO, OVERHEAD WATER.

only 4 old specimens, seeds love water.

underground water simulation.

out and over.

master ED,

giggle,

wolf

[ 20. June 2003, 16:32: Message edited by: planthelper ]

[gerbil]

There is an article in todays A3 section of The Age (june 23, 2003), "Magic Molecule". Talking about the "hoodia plant" and how it can be synthesised, and used in the western world to help tackle the obesity problem.

This "ugly looking cactus" contains a "miracle molecule that fools the brain"...hmmm

Haven't read it all yet, just saw it then.

[ 23. June 2003, 16:23: Message edited by: gerbil ]

[psybernaut]

The article can be found online here

[Torsten]

some good info.... interspaced with lashings of utter garbage....

[gomaos]

I think I may have one or two coming up after all...

[t st tantra]

a possible treatment for chocolate addiction,too!

t s t .

[Torsten]

gom, I would think that they would need a SOIL temp of at least 30 deg C to germinate OK. Probably more like 35.

Make sure to measure SOIL temp rather than ambient temp as they are about 8 deg C different (but can vary depending on various factors).

[gomaos]

Okay, I think I got 5 seeds left... just have to make some roon on the heat mat....

[Ed Dunkel]

Funny, mine germinated at far below those temperatures (sunny windowsill 2-3 months ago) Then again it could have been a particularly warm day and I don't measure the windowsill temperatures.

They are still looking healthy there, not effected by the cold window location so far. Not growing much either tho...

Maybe I'll move them on to the 20ºC heat pad.

E D

[gomaos]

I'm fairly sure the 2 little ones I have are the right thing... hopefully... outside in the shade house... but I could be wrong

[gomaos]

Hoodia seeds would be legal to import, wouldn't they?

[Skulking Lurker]

All of a sudden there has been an interest displayed for this plant in my household, after watching '4 Corners' tonight.

Has anyone any spare seed ?

Thanks. (check my trade list for swaps)

SL.

[Stonehenge]

I have a few seedling going right now. They are slow growers for sure. They pop up after a few days and quickly get to about 1" in height. Then they act like they are all done growing and you don't see a lot of action after that. I've heard that after about 2 years they start to take off. At that stage they need a lot of light and more ferts. I'm not sure if they like direct sun as seedlings but I haven't heard that they don't. Some peyote plants will burn if they get sun as seedlings.

Stoney

[nabraxas]

anyone catch last nights 4 courners on ABC?

'twas all about Hoodia & the San- it looked like they were going to get a %age ov the profits, but then the last screen said-- "since the making of this programme..."- it went on to say that the pharm co. that owned the patent on the Hoodia molocule were relying on Phizer(?SP[the prozac folks]) to back the product & they'd pulled out, so they were now looking for another backer.

if the 'magic molocule' can be synthesized easily i can see why that's gone pear shaped--looks like the San maybe screwed again.

[mescalito]

Yes it's disgusting,once again the big wigs want to stake a claim in something they have no right too :mad:

These poor pigmy's are being fucked over just like all other indigenous peoples.Having to put on a 'traditional show' for the rich tourists,which in turn is destroying their culture.Not to mention that they weren't even considered to be a race of human beings,and it was legal to hunt and kill these PEOPLE

Cultivation and conservation are one thing.....

capitalising is another.These tribes are so poor,they rely on this plant to survive hunger,not McDonalds and Coca-Cola induced obesity!

How can you patent a molecule :confused:

What happens when some pharmacist finds an un-named molecule in the human body?????

Do we have to pay for the rights or do we fight for ours.

It was really sad to watch these peoples being entrapped by white commercialism,and fooled into thinking that money would make their lives better.

The pricks should've left them the fuck alone :mad:

[ 26. August 2003, 14:04: Message edited by: mescalito ]

[nabraxas]

totally agree mesc, but

"How can you patent a molecule?

What happens when some pharmacist finds an un-named molecule in the human body"---i think if you look at the area ov bio-tech, this is already a huge problem/moral dilemma.

if a company spend many years & dollars searching for a proceedure to find a specific gene- say the gene that triggers breast cancer- once they have the proceedure down, they can patent it- then if a hospital want to use their method to improve diagnosis, they have to pay.--this raises many tricky ethical questions.

one huge problem is that once the first patent on a proceedure had been granted, a few companies that had developed techniques already in use, managed to get patents also--this meant hospitals, uni's & research institutes using those methods had to stop or pay fees for the use.(this is all in america-europe has a different patent scheeme- but it doesn't stop european clinics being sued in the US)