Trichocereus BK09509.2 - Huachuma de Chavin

[Getafix]

Hey all,

Anyone growing the above and or have any solid info on it other than what google is telling me?

Just ordered a plant, sounds interesting.

Cheers

Getafix

[mr b.caapi]

Wow !!! Sounds hell interesting !

[Getafix]

Yeah I thought so from the info I have found.

Would like to know if anyone else is growing and if so post a pic!!

Herbalistics have just listed it for sale.

Cheers

[Dreamwalker.]

its probably a good idea breeding on plants from temple sites......who knows what hybridisation took place when the site was in use,

[EthnoGuy85]

Growing some out from seed. Will try and get a couple pics of the seedlings up later on. Here's what SS listing has to say about em

Trichocereus sp. BK09509.2 "Huachuma de Chavin"

Candelabra stems to 10'. Stems to 4" diameter, dark green epidermis, new growth blushed blue. 57 radial spines, the downward facing ones up to 1.5" long. 1 central spine to 2.5". New spines yellow to red-brown in color. Looks intermediate to T. pachanoi and cuzcoensis. Growing on rocky cliffs, western slopes above the north end of the modern town and ancient ruins of Chavin de Huantar, 10,600', Ancash Dept., Peru.

[slice]

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=36592&hl=chavin

[Getafix]

Cheers for the link Slice, I remember looking at those when you posted.

Very nice plant

Getafix

Edited January 15, 2014 by Getafix

[shonman]

Hey, Ethnoguy, can you get me some seems or pups?

Trade for Kratom trees?

Edited January 15, 2014 by shonman

[EthnoGuy85]

Sowed all I had. Maybe by summer/fall this year they'll be big enough to post tho

[Caudata]

here are some year old seedlings. too small to have any distinguishing features but figured id post em here anyway

Edited July 12, 2014 by Ohlone

[Caudata]

bumping this again to see if any of yall have photos of more mature specimen

Edited October 31, 2014 by Ohlone

[M S Smith]

its probably a good idea breeding on plants from temple sites......who knows what hybridisation took place when the site was in use,

Considering the following one might question much more what hybridization has happened since, and not necessarily in the direction once might like, unless there is a suggestion that this is an ancient clone or at least a plant not relatively removed genetically from those which existed at the site over 2000 years ago.

From Wiki...

"Chavin de Huantar was constructed over many stages starting prior to 1200 BC, with most major construction over by 750 BC. The site continued in use as a ceremonial center until around 500 BC, but prior to 400 BC its primary religious function had ceased, and the site was occupied by casual residents of the highly distinct cultural tradition, Huaraz."

~Michael~

Edited August 28, 2014 by M S Smith

[Getafix]

Will post a pick of a more mature plant at the weekend.

Getafix

[Huachu Ma]

I sow it february this year and grafted at april.

Edited May 10, 2015 by huachuma

[Getafix]

Here's some pics of mine.

[Caudata]

Thanks for the photos Getafix and Huachuma

I separated my seedlings and theyve been growing vigorously..

theyre all shinier and a deeper color of green than other trich seedlings of similar age.

[Gunter]

One of the more interesting plants in my book.

I would love to compare the offspring.

[M S Smith]

Here's some pics of mine.

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Has some tell-tale T. cuzcoensis signs. It would really be interesting to know more history of this plant as there is as much a chance, if not more, of it having been introduced in the last 2500 years as to it being either a clone or the progeny of the plant in use by the Chavin culture. There are other more standard looking T. pachanoi at the site. I'd want that one more myself.

This is not to knock the plant though, as it's a pretty form for sure and the mature plant is magnificent.

~Michael~

[Micromegas]

Here are two plants from chavin. these are clones of the plant that grows east of the site, on the opposite bank of the mosna river. the parent plant is a massive scrappy looking fella and can be seen in this ancient thread: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16482 which i am shocked i could find. it is picture 12.

there is another thread with a photo of this plant but that thread is about potency of plants and is probably not allowed these days.

what is funny when these accidentally came home with me at a time when i was more naive (and that piece luggage was the only piece EVER that I have lost... EVER... in Los Angeles... and it was sent directly to Adelaide three weeks after me and I picked it up OUTSIDE of the airport terminal and it NEVER passed through customs and had not been opened since the padlock on it had not been cut or removed. True story!).. anyway when i was more naive... I picked up two three inch cuttings and I could have sworn they were from the same plant, to this day i am still sure of that. but they (1) do not look anything like each other and (2) do not look anything like the plant they came from! they are now around 5-6ft multi-armed.

In 2011 i explored more extensively the area around Chavin and found 7-9 varieties of trichocereus at least, not including the ones planted along the wall of the site itself near the old museum, which was a particular variety very fat and spineless, tall and not many arms, that the custodians of the site appear to be fond of planting within the grounds.

the more natural ones ranged from scrappy, spiny, wild looking things to smooth, fat, tall and relatively free of branching, to smooth, very blue and frosty, forming low (6-8ft) and wide clumps.. I had for a while a picasa page up with those varieties but picasa went to shit, there was link here for a while.

I collected seed from three distinct varieties and also collected one single fruit from DIRECTLY IN THE CENTRE of the circular plaza as I was undertaking the procession to view the lanzon, so I take special interest in this mysterious fruit...

I am making some success with these now but i would like to be further along before sharing pictures. However, i do know exactly what plants the seeds came from. But funnily enough, the plants at this stage pretty much ALL look the same even though they came from plants that look exceedingly different. They are very shiny and deep green as ohlone suggests and look similar to his plant. There is variation in spine length and colour but all are quite spiny.

Hmm, now some of the parents were not spiny at all and this is why i selected those fruits (also, because i could reach them and they were ripe!), but still the seedlings are quite spiny. I think, perhaps, these plants will take longer than australian hybrid plants to reveal what they will look like when mature. I say that because, my clones from peru, i do not think look they way they should or will even though they are six years old.

the fruit from the circular plaza by far grew the fastest and most robust, but they do seem vigorous mind you i have not grown much from seed really.

Anyway

[Philocacti]

I received a small rooted pup from slice and it started growing in no time but with decreased girth, but now it's mid fall so growth has slowed down. I'm planing to cut the tip and graft it to Stenocereus.

Edited November 1, 2014 by Philocacti

[slice]

Nice to see that fella doing fine, I think it might do better with more sun and food. To get fatter I mean.Regards my friend!

[Philocacti]

It's getting direct sun all day and to fertilize almost every time I water.

All short fat pups I root or plant start their new growth as etiolation than the start to fatten up......I don't know why?????

Edited November 4, 2014 by Philocacti

[Fenris]

[Philocacti]

I grafted this tip to see this clone in full growth this season, while the stump can take its time to grow a new pup

[Philocacti]

After I took the rubber bands and the toothpicks off, I found that fungus has hit the stock in the holes of the toothpicks. I poured absolute alcohol in the holes to try to kill it off.

I guess it worked cuz the scion has pumped up and it started growing