Jox Posted October 5, 2012 Hi all, I have this little T. pach "Juuls Giant" x T. pach "Huancabamba" about 2 years old & its starting to show some weird growth. All of my cacti are in a greenhouse & started showing signs of spring growth about 2 months ago now they are all powering along nicely, but this one little Tricho is doing something different. You can see the different growth happening on the right hand side, the lower growth (in the forth pic) started about 2 weeks ago & today I noticed it happening near the top. I would love to hear your thoughts. Cheers jox 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PositiveHAL Posted October 5, 2012 pupping? hows about a front on shot, the're all from the same angle 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myco Posted October 5, 2012 definately looks like its just throwing pups to me 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhoenixSon Posted October 5, 2012 yeah but unusual @ this stage of growth! normally they terminate @ the tip or side if attacked by snails or sometimes just by gentics, have had monstrose seedlings turn to normal growth and normal seedlings terminate aka sausage style... Part of the joy of growing from seed never know what your going to get.. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chilli Posted October 5, 2012 Neat. I've seen trichs that age put out pups, but always basally. Is the main column still growing at the tip? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jox Posted October 5, 2012 (edited) Cool I just thought It was weird as I have a lot at that size & a bit bigger & its the only one doing this. It is still growing very well from the tip & when I first saw the first new growth coming out the side a couple of weeks ago I thought it might be a pup but thought it was a bit strange at that size & that it pupping half way up. There has been no damage to this plant bumps/knocks, snails etc.......& now theirs a pup coming out directly above the first just made me more confused . Thanks for the feed back. Cheers jox Edited October 5, 2012 by Jox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foo Posted October 5, 2012 maybe research witches bloom or broom. I forget wich. But there is a thread i started in this forum about a pup throwing pups. Might be what your seeing. who knows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Genius Posted October 5, 2012 I dont think this has to do with witches broom. Yes it is extremely rare that cacti pup like that but it definately happens. A small wound or infected spine is enough to cause scartissue to be produced and scar tissue pups pretty easily, no matter where it is. That aside, there are some clones that just pup differently. Probably because of genetic defects or something like that so i would definately propagate this plant if it should continue to do that. You know, many echinopsis pup like that so it could even by a hybrid. No matter what, i would like to see how this one grows in the future. The thing with Witches broom is that the pups usually dont grow very much but pup again and again so you can easily rule it out if the pup should continue to grow normally.bye Eg 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stillman Posted October 5, 2012 cool stuff I had a grafted trich do the same thing I thought it was going monstrose but I think it just went mad and started pupping like your little bloke. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Crack_Fox Posted October 5, 2012 That is the cutest thing with spikes I ever seen! Happy cactus :D 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stillman Posted October 7, 2012 heres a pic of my little weirdo Rosei #1 x pc pach was normal seedling until I grafted it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gerbil Posted October 7, 2012 always healthy lookin' plants stillman, I like your attention to detail, good work. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theuserformallyknownasd00d Posted October 7, 2012 It'd be great if your cactus kept going with that trait stillman! I currently have a 1cm tall ss01xss02 seedling that has terminated top growth and pupped out the side! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jox Posted October 22, 2012 Update......... I don't think there pups You can see they are still growing & getting bigger, there is a new growth coming out, opposite the other one near the top. This was the first bit of weird growth I noticed, its also the lowest. These are of the photos of the second growth i noticed, it is getting noticeably bigger. You can see the new growth starting to come out opposite, near the top. This is a front on photo of the first two growths. I am unsure what is happening here, but I am watching with great anticipation 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stillman Posted October 22, 2012 mutant! thats gonna be a ripper 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert&Ernie Posted October 22, 2012 Try an areol graft ... Is that how you spell it? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoOnThen Posted October 22, 2012 Tasmanian ? Interested to see how this grows out. Cheers Got 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jox Posted October 25, 2012 Alrighty I need your advise/ideas. jwerta you have me thinking aerial graft , I am thinking about loping of the bottom growth & putting it on some peres stock. I have a few concerns, the main one being the health of tricho, I would hate to cause any long term harm or damage & I am wondering if when I cut the growth off will this cause pupping or jeopardize the top two weird growths? I would like to think the cut would heal, the tricho keeps pumping, the weird growths keep growing & the growth I cut of for grafting takes well & grows . But this might be wishful thinking!! Please feed me your knowledge & tell me your thoughts, I think I am going to need some encouragement before I lance my little one . Cheers jox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoOnThen Posted October 25, 2012 jwerta you have me thinking aerial graft , Does this mean you are going to do and areole graft in the air or are you thinking of grafting on to an antenna I would think you would have no problems taking that areole off as we all remove pups of our graft stock all of the time and it just leaves a scar. As you are not damaging the growth tip the plant should continue to grow as normal ( as normal as this one does ) How is the size of your little mutant areole growth compared to the size of a standard pere stock I suppose what I am trying to say is it to big for a pere. Cheers Got 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tripsis Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) That came from me, yes? I had several seedlings display characteristics like yours. I believe it is a form of monstrose growth and I expect that we will see quite a few of the seedlings I grew turn out like this, if they haven't already. My guess is that it's hormonal; that the plants exhibiting growth like this are producing higher than normal levels of a particular cytokinin, which in turn is causing abnormal pupping, or attempts to do so. Edited October 25, 2012 by tripsis 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jox Posted October 25, 2012 (edited) Yeh tripsis this is one of yours , I got two T. pach "Juuls Giant" x T. pach "Huancabamba" from you as well as a heap of others & there all going great. I have been waiting to see some weird growth possible in some of the TPM x T.pach "Hauncabamba" but so far there there healthy, plump "normal" looking, so I was pleasantly surprised to see the Tricho above putting out this growth. What is the Tricho x in the photo? That looks like it is pupping heavily, I was thinking thats what was starting to go on with mine but I pretty sure there not pups anymore, tic-tok-tic-tok-tic-tok........ I guess time will tell. @got, The bottom growth is quite small & I have some good fat rooted pere here, should be fine . Edited October 25, 2012 by Jox 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tripsis Posted October 26, 2012 What is the Tricho x in the photo? One of the pach monstrose hybrids. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jox Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) A little update , It is still growing very well from the tip Growth on the right side The little growth on the left side I tried to graft the very first little growth two months ago, but it was tiny & did not take on the peres. I am going to try & graft the bigger right hand side growth this arvo, if it takes I will attempt to graft the little growth on the left, as I'm now certain there not normal pups. Cheers jox Edited January 3, 2013 by Jox 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Bowser Posted January 3, 2013 looks like its growing a couple wee nutsacs thanks for the new pics, good luck with the grafts, looking forward to future updates! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
