psychotria viridis identification

[planthelper]

i thought a thread on this could be usefull.
i hope to expand this thread with more details, in given time.

first all three different viridis in one shot, all the plants are of similar age, but the moon aka la luna was a bit bigger when i recieved those beauties from tort.

Edited April 17, 2013 by planthelper
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[mauve]

Nice pictures, Planthelper ! Nice specimens !

About the identification of the "common strain" cultivated in Australia (SAB, Herbalistics etc) another interesting developement was made by Pinkoyd at The Nook (he obtained his plants from seeds of "...of the jungle"):

Got a response from the OTJ guy (redacted for his privacy):

"P.v. seeds initially came from my Rio Pitayacu collection trip, which was fairly soon after that field course you were part of. I'm pretty sure it was 1990, but I don't have my notebooks with me here at my friends place.

During 93, 94 and 95 I made trips to Amazonian Peru and brought back many different medicinal and visionary plants and seeds. Out of convenience and continuity, I made an arrangement with a local fellow who managed a little botanical garden in Nauta near Iquitos. I'd go out with him as well as collect seed from the stuff he was cultivating, including various ayahuasca admixture species.

In Peru P.v. is called 'chacruna' and in Ecuador it's 'amiruca panga'.

So, I would bring stuff back myself for otj/bpc and also get further material sent by him. All the P.v. seed i distributed of Peruvian origin came from the very same location, Nauta, but I couldn't tell you which year you plant's seed came from. All the P.v. we offered of Ecuador origin came from that Rio Pitayacu area, which is incredibly wild and took three days of strenuous hiking to reach."

Since my seeds were obtained in '94 it's looking they were sourced from Peru.

In a later email, once I clarified the date for him, he says:

"For sure your P.v. seed is from the tributary of the mighty Amazon near the jungle village of Nauta, Iquitos district."

So it would be nice to know what year the OTJ seeds came in Australia, we could determine the origin of the "common strain": ecuadorian amiruca or peruvian chacruna from Nauta.

I am growing the common strain and Pinkoyd's side by side, they are still young but i can't see any differences.

[planthelper]

hi!

any updates on anybody getting seeds of there nexus?

I have the understanding, that no seeds ever got produced by a nexus, but that she flowers well.

some other sources claim, she produces seed, but it's not viable.

check out post's #26 and #35, they suggest no seeds got ever produced by a nexus.

anyway, maybe I get lucky as my nexus, shows some in mature seed forming,

anybody else got seeds of there nexus plants?

[TrailBlazer]

Nice work mate!

Good luck with the germination!

[whitewind]

http://plantasenteogenas.org/community/threads/6-tipos-de-chacronas-estudos-e-identificacao.3452/

I can't pull this thread up but I saved the pics and feel justified in uploading them here.

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I create this topic in order to show that I'm growing six species and several to several years. I make it clear here and implied as well, that'll put the names that may or may not be those of his region, and these names I've known for a considerable time, so we will not create polemics, disrespect, and so contribute to the growth of PE.

1 - Elf ear (the smallest species of leaf chacrona)

2 - caboclinha (too small, many people confuse with elf ears, but the more chubby caboclinha)

3-cabocla (very different from caboclinha because cabocla eh tb very common as the white chacrona (dripped), but she does not chubby but well-winding)

4-chacrona white or dripped (eh the most common and most diverse in the preparation, the interns are beautiful white)

5-coffee (the edges of the leaves are medium irregular, resembling the leaves of the cafe)

6-black eye (the eye of the leaf springs and internal purple eh tb)

different sizes, different shapes

different lights, different growth

beauties and different

1-An elf-ear

2-caboclinha

3-cabocla

4-dripped white

5-coffee

6-Black Eye

I took each sheet to identify for the brothers, and these sheets do not think that will be left behind or forgotten plays, they will get a glass of water for one month or until the roots come out, then will be placed in the ground until half of the leaf, and then give 1 year or later will have a 4 year jah leaves and will be ready for the forest.

have others that are not there ... native ones that I mentioned in another topic ... hit any time and put some photos here!

Then Self, do not have any native, despite living in the forest, were all planted. But I have no intention of cultivating the others, give me these are the special, the chacronas that searched for years and years, and hj can admire them and climb on top of them with macaquitos

Each one has its special power, do not say that one eh stronger than the other but all have their mystery.

The fruits are of course useful chacronas purchases, but not to the animal kingdom. They are not edible and not of anything. When I go to prepare and gather the leaves, I take all the berries one week before, because the berries with a spoon leaf loses a bit of light, something not very significant, but over time you will see that the berries are taken from the ideal h to harvest the leaves. jah tried to do the deed with the berries, but eh insignificant.

will be all these varieties of the species are chacrona Psychotria viridis?? or some may be Psychotria Psychotria alba or carthagenensis. ? ?

was last in the community of Matutu, southern mines, the world. of Aiuruoca, I was presented with two changes of the queen, they seem to this variety of elf ears, because the leaves were pale green and elongated through. a poko different from queens I have at home. I believe to be caboclinhas.

All are Psychotria viridis! queens of light!

Edited April 14, 2013 by whitewind

[shonman]

Very impressive plants, all!

In my collection currently is what is said to be Ps. Carthaginensis....

It has pale greenish- white flowers.

Does that sound right?

Edited April 15, 2013 by shonman

[Yeti101]

All are Psychotria viridis! queens of light!

All may well be queens of light, but are they all viridis?

Also, that forum, http://plantasenteogenas.org/ looks awesome. Must learn Portuguese.

[Yeti101]

I can't pull this thread up but I saved the pics and feel justified in uploading them here.

It was: http://www.plantasenteogenas.org/threads/6-tipos-de-chacronas-estudos-e-identificacao.3452/

[planthelper]

it would be nice to know which of those terms fit our terms.

the only certain one is,

6, olha a roxo = black eye = shipibo

roxo means purple.

maybe those one's are as well the same, but I am not certain at all,

4, chacrona branca pingada = dripped white = common Australian viridis = amiruca

5, cafezinha = coffee = la luna = moon

in my cultivation, moon produced the biggest leaves, I believe idendification by leaf size alone is not possible, apart from the elfs ear.

[shonman]

I think some people identify these plants by how the leaf veins are arranged...

...their positioning in relation to each other.

Alternate, or directly across...

Also possibly how wide or narrate the leaf it.

And especially by little 'spines' on the underside of the leaf....

These are like little flat 'hooks' some can be seen in one of the photos posted previously,

By PlantHelper.....domatia psychotria viridis "la luna" aka moon

I have heard that these are what some people look for as an indication of a special plant.

Edited April 17, 2013 by shonman

[☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ]

i learned from a Brasilian that roxo meant red ..... and if its your eye thats roxo , its lol black like u put

it was "cabi roxo" that i was initially asking them about , they said muricata (red "caapi")

black eyes are somewhat purple tho , and Brasil is somewhat LARGE

AWESOME pics white wind!!! what an awesome post!!!!

I have to have some "elf's ear"

*gets hunting*

Edited July 6, 2014 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ

[sascacheuan]

I contacted with drDali of plantasenteogenas long time ago, asking for some trade, but he didnt want to do any trade :S. The strains of small leaves, "caboclinha" and "Orelha de duende" seem pretty interesting.

And I post a thread talking about this post long long time ago too

http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=30446

[plantlight]

The strains of small leaves, "caboclinha" and "Orelha de duende" seem pretty interesting

I agree! Have you had any additional leads on these two?

I have found one other mention of these leaves in a blog here:

https://discodellic.wordpress.com/2014/05/11/glossario-das-plantas-enteogenas/

It lists "variedades: Orelha de duende; Caboclinha; Cabocla; Branca pingada; Cafezinho; Olho roxo" under psychotria Viridis.

However, the author of the blog is a fictional "Erik Cubensis". I wonder if the list of plant types is also fictional.

[pinkoyd]

So it would be nice to know what year the OTJ seeds came in Australia, we could determine the origin of the "common strain": ecuadorian amiruca or peruvian chacruna from Nauta.

I am growing the common strain and Pinkoyd's side by side, they are still young but i can't see any differences.

The first batch of seed that ...of the jungle offered, the Ecuadorian, was cleaned and sun-dried before they were offered for sale. I believe the whole batch was non-viable as a result. By the time the Peruvian-sourced seeds were offered, OTJ changed how they treated the seeds. They were cleaned but then stored and shipped in moist sphagnum. I tried germinating from the first batch at least three times and all failed. The first time I ordered from the second batch 4/5 popped within a couple months..

Unless anybody knows differently I think it's most likely that all viridis sourced from OTJ is of Peruvian origin.

Late to the party I know, but there you are!

A belated big Thank You! to whitewind for posting those pics. I was never able to pull up that original thread and I thought it was lost. Always wanted to see those pics.

@Mauve: How's the grow going, and do you still think the common strain and mine look alike?

Edited December 29, 2015 by pinkoyd

[Zaka]

I agree! Have you had any additional leads on these two?

I have found one other mention of these leaves in a blog here:

https://discodellic.wordpress.com/2014/05/11/glossario-das-plantas-enteogenas/

It lists "variedades: Orelha de duende; Caboclinha; Cabocla; Branca pingada; Cafezinho; Olho roxo" under psychotria Viridis.

However, the author of the blog is a fictional "Erik Cubensis". I wonder if the list of plant types is also fictional.

Irie,

So I have recently come across a small leaf variety of P.Viridis.

It was growing in a clay pipe pot and totally root bound.

I had them crack the pipe and add soil, as it was clearly suffering and had started looking bonsai.

I have no idea how the plant reach in this private garden as the plant is not native to here.

It may have been the original plantation owner who apparently collected many rare plants from around the world.

So I guess I should pop back down the road a get a few cuttings, for preservation purposes....

Respect,

Z

Edited January 17, 2016 by Zaka

[rhotard]

So I guess I should pop back down the road a get a few cuttings, for preservation purposes....

Please do! Please post a picture. I think that plant would be a great addition to the known varieties.

[plantlight]

So I have recently come across a small leaf variety of P.Viridis.

Great find if its the real deal! A photo showing the leaf structures would be very helpful.

[mauve]

@Pinkoyd, sorry for answering so late !

I found differences in leaves shapes but since that is a trait that changes a lot with growing parameters (especially light) I do not think that it is a reliable way to compare. However I do find that your peruvian chacruna outperforms the "common australian" in speed of growth and vigor and resistance...actually I am concentrating my cultivation efforts on this cultivar now !