tripsis Posted March 6, 2011 NASA scientist finds evidence of alien life Andrew Couts – Sat Mar 5, 5:28 pm ET Aliens exist, and we have proof. That astonishingly awesome claim comes from Dr. Richard B. Hoover, an astrobiologist at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, who says he has found conclusive evidence of alien life — fossils of bacteria found in an extremely rare class of meteorite called CI1 carbonaceous chondrites. (There are only nine such meteorites on planet Earth.) Hoover’s findings were published late Friday night in the Journal of Cosmology, a peer-reviewed scientific journal. “I interpret it as indicating that life is more broadly distributed than restricted strictly to the planet earth,” Hoover, who has spent more than 10 years studying meteorites around the world, told FoxNews.com in an interview. “This field of study has just barely been touched — because quite frankly, a great many scientist would say that this is impossible.” Hoover discovered the fossils by breaking apart the CI1 meteorite, and analyzing the exposed rock with a scanning-electron microscope and a field emission electron-scanning microscope, which allowed him to detect any fossil remains. What he found were fossils of micro-organisms, many of which he says are strikingly similar to those found on our own planet. “The exciting thing is that they are in many cases recognizable and can be associated very closely with the generic species here on earth,” said Hoover. Some of the fossils, however, are quite odd. “There are some that are just very strange and don’t look like anything that I’ve been able to identify, and I’ve shown them to many other experts that have also come up stump.” In order to satisfy the inevitable hoard of buzz-killing skeptics, Hoover’s study and evidence were made available to his peers in the scientific community in advance of the study’s publications, giving them a chance to thoroughly dissect his findings. Comments from those who decided to sift through the evidence will be published online, alongside the study. “Given the controversial nature of his discovery, we have invited 100 experts and have issued a general invitation to over 5,000 scientists from the scientific community to review the paper and to offer their critical analysis,” writes Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics scientist Dr. Rudy Schild, who serves as the Journal of Cosmology’s editor-in-chief. “No other paper in the history of science has undergone such a thorough vetting, and never before in the history of science has the scientific community been given the opportunity to critically analyze an important research paper before it is published.” Needless to say, if Hoover's conclusions are found to be accurate, the implications for human life will be staggering. Here's to hoping that he's right. Source Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonny Jim Posted March 6, 2011 (edited) I love how it says "Aliens exist, and we have proof" and in the last sentence it says "if Hoover's conclusions are found to be accurate". I guess we will have to see what comes up. What happened with the last time someone found evidence of microbes in an asteroid. I think they were suspected of being pieces of mars. Was that conclusive? I don't remember hearing anything more about that. Edited March 6, 2011 by Sonny Jim Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WoodDragon Posted March 7, 2011 The last time this happened, a few years back, the structures were determinied to be mineralogical in origin, even though they looked biological. These photos look much more biological, but it remains to be proven that the features didn't result from 'contamination' here on earth. Time will tell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sonny Jim Posted March 7, 2011 Thanks WD. I guess the meteors have been here for a heck of a long time. I wonder how it can ever be proved that it is not contamination from earth. I realise the suspected microbes were inside the meteor that was cracked open but still... It sounds like the kind of thing people will argue back and forth over forever if these things are found to be bio. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcel Posted March 7, 2011 They are biological because they look like biological systems? Surely there's more to it than that. Otherwise, I have a rubber snake in my kids' toy room that looks suspiciously like a biological entity... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slybacon Posted March 7, 2011 NASA scientist finds evidence of alien life “Given the controversial nature of his discovery, we have invited 100 experts and have issued a general invitation to over 5,000 scientists from the scientific community to review the paper and to offer their critical analysis,” writes Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics scientist Dr. Rudy Schild, who serves as the Journal of Cosmology’s editor-in-chief. “No other paper in the history of science has undergone such a thorough vetting, and never before in the history of science has the scientific community been given the opportunity to critically analyze an important research paper before it is published.” Source And I'm guessing they will give each scientist a piece of this "rare" meteorite. This all sounds very very suspect to me..... As long as these 5000 scientists can't pick a hole in this study the public will gobble it up as fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WoodDragon Posted March 7, 2011 They are biological because they look like biological systems? Surely there's more to it than that. Yep, there is much more to it than that. That's why I said that they look "more biological", and not just "biological". The first meteorites years ago had structures that were only vaguely biological, by comparison. The artifacts will be picked to pieces for more mundane explanations. They'll be tested to confirm origin, to confirm that the structures really are fossils, and that they are not from earth-based species. I'd be surprised if they actually are extraterrestrial, because that would mean that one of our neighbouring planets at some point had bacteria, and in spite of our looking there's been no sign yet of life on other planets. That's not to say that it's not there, but if it is, it's not obvious. As I said, time will tell... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alice Posted March 7, 2011 As long as these 5000 scientists can't pick a hole in this study the public will gobble it up as fact. And shouldn't they? That is some pretty hardcore peer review. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dundee Posted March 7, 2011 Cracks me up everytime NASA comes out with the old "possible life in meteorite" line, all this while ex astronauts and ex military generals go on record and admit extraterrestrial life exists Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WoodDragon Posted March 7, 2011 Hoover's article is here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WoodDragon Posted March 7, 2011 And just as a heads-up, JoC is not well regarded in scientific circles. It's a bit like the astronomy version of Energy and Environment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botanika Posted March 7, 2011 Cracks me up everytime NASA comes out with the old "possible life in meteorite" line, all this while ex astronauts and ex military generals go on record and admit extraterrestrial life exists Ex astronauts and military officials are not specialist scientists nor have that many said anything about 'extraterrestrial life'. Some claim to have seen 'UFO's' but so has half of America. Still no physical conclusive evidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dundee Posted March 7, 2011 Ex astronauts and military officials are not specialist scientists nor have that many said anything about 'extraterrestrial life'. Some claim to have seen 'UFO's' but so has half of America. Still no physical conclusive evidence. sorry.....if the "specialists" say its not real then fk me, it must be true...pffft what a crock o shit, seen "ufos" myself more than once, and no it wasnt swamp gas, chinese lanterns or the reflection of venus bouncing off the clouds if you need hard evidence to believe in everything...good luck with that dont mean to be nasty, but cant believe how ignorant some people are, hopefully one day you will see what many other people have seen, best of luck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Distracted Posted March 7, 2011 This is all very interesting, cheers for the link. Dundee, could you tell us a bit about your experience with UFOs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
botanika Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) dont mean to be nasty, but cant believe how ignorant some people are, hopefully one day you will see what many other people have seen, best of luck Your not being nasty and im not being ignorant. Did you actually see extraterrestrial life? Edited March 7, 2011 by botanika Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synchromesh Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) Never A Straight Answer Edited March 7, 2011 by synchromesh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alice Posted March 7, 2011 And just as a heads-up, JoC is not well regarded in scientific circles. It's a bit like the astronomy version of Energy and Environment. After one glance at the website I'm not at all surprised. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SunChaser Posted March 7, 2011 If they truly do conclude this is a life form separate from our own, it will change everything we know about life. It would be hard evidence that life is not unique and is common all over the universe. We will be able to look up to the stars and know for a fact for the first time in human history, 'we are not alone'. Peace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synchromesh Posted March 7, 2011 (edited) Do you really feel alone though? Because I don't... What with the lions and butterflies and so on, I actually feel quite crowded. Isn't the term alien highly subjective? Edited March 7, 2011 by synchromesh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nabraxas Posted March 7, 2011 Nice And Safe Attitude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SunChaser Posted March 8, 2011 Do you really feel alone though? Because I don't... What with the lions and butterflies and so on, I actually feel quite crowded. Nah, I don't feel alone. The way I see it with how big the universe is and the fact that as far as we know liquid water means life, I think mathematically life must have evolved all over the universe. I'd just love to know there was physical evidence of it. I'd be quite interested to hear about these lions and butterflies apparently floating around up there though. Peace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dundee Posted March 8, 2011 Your not being nasty and im not being ignorant. Did you actually see extraterrestrial life? yeah, sorry bro, I shouldn't have could you ignorant, or anyone else, everyone is different and had or is having different experiences in life, I guess I am lucky that I have had many "paranormal" experiences in my life, I can use my experiences to help myself see what is real or very plausible, I didn't really think before I typed yesterday. I hope that hard evidence is found and spread to the masses so everyone can move to a new belief of what is possible The best ufo experience I have had was in western australia, working nightshift in the mines, was with one other guy, we watched what we thought was a sattelite moving in a straight line, but it was pulsing like a light(to me it looked like a light rotating), when we both took an interest in it, it started zig zagging all over the sky, very very fast, 90, 180 degree turn stuff, it did this for a litle while, we both were shocked, then suddenly it just vanished into thin air. To me it felt like it was from beyond earth, I am just using my intuition here, no hard facts to back it up. I have seen more amazing things in the sky that are hard to explain, but this is one of the more memorable ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CβL Posted March 8, 2011 (edited) Wait a minute... that fossil, it looks familiar... ... ... Now the only mystery remaining is where did Falcor's arms and legs go, and why is he so tiny? Edited March 8, 2011 by bluntmuffin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
synchromesh Posted March 8, 2011 seen "ufos" myself more than once, and no it wasnt swamp gas, chinese lanterns or the reflection of venus bouncing off the clouds Ditto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marcel Posted March 9, 2011 Wait a minute... that fossil, it looks familiar... ... ... Now the only mystery remaining is where did Falcor's arms and legs go, and why is he so tiny? LMFAO! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites