Mammillaria as an admixture?

[Auxin]

I thought this would be interesting to many here.

This data came out four months ago on the nook. I am not sure if the author is continuing his research but no more data has yet been posted by anyone. Its purely preliminary results from one person so take it with a grain of salt. Also be mindful that all latex containing species of cacti are considered toxic due to the latex.

I'll write it up for yall :D, in the meanwhile I'll plan on gettn to my cacti guy to get a bunch of Mammies, until then I write up the effects of extracted peruvians vs. extract peruvian w/ various Mammies:

These reports are retrospects from past experiences posted for observed synergism between Trich. mescaline and Mammilerian phenylethylamines, these bioassays were done in early fall of 2007 so please bare with me as we cant remember everything detail for detail, but I'll do my best:

Trich. Peruvianus extract (white pinwheel crystals) approx. 500mgs:

T+0minutes= Extracted from 1 kilo of peruvian torch powder ordered online, yeild was 9-10grams. Weighed out half gram doses on powder scope scale and dumped a dose into my mouth it was very bitter and slightly metallic tasting, reminiscent of my high school days of cocaine use but not quite the same flavor of bitter.

T+25minutes= Some body effects kicking in but no visuals yet, a slight shift in psychic energy (positive), no nausea, and a little tension in the face.

T+60minutes= Body effects getting stronger and visuals starting to kick in but nowhere near the peak yet, still no nausea (I rarely get it), two of my friends whom also ate a half gram reporting nausea and are trying to keep from vomiting.

T+1.75 hours= Friend runs to toilet to puke and returns smiling and happy, I'm starting to peak w/ a heavy body load and mosaic type visuals and overall feeling of well being and warmth, Shulgin scale +++

T+2.5 hours= Ful force mescaline peak at a Shulgin scale ++++, beautiful and bright rainbow (mostly pinks, blues, green) spirals are spewing out of the television while I'm trying to watch The Dark Crystal (classic 80's cheese), still no nausea on my part, I can barely ask how my friends are doing but manage to speak the words, one of my friends cant seem to put words together to speak so he retreats to the back room to be by himself and meditate.

T+3-3.5hours= At this point I bust out the nitrous balloons and DMT which pretty much defeat the purpose of reporting a purely mescaline related bioassay so I'll stop here, the nitrous and DMT w/ mescaline is a WHOLE OTHER STORY ;), and since I was rockin those two substances rather heavy during this session I cant give an accurate time frame as to when the trip ended.

Trich. Peruvianus (1.5' cutting)/Trich. Pachanoi (2' cutting)/M. Craigii (ten 6" tops) extract (white pixelated and plated crystals), approx. 333mgs (1g split between 3 people):

T+0minutes= Extracted from fresh cuttings via the me!'s mescaline in less than 4 hours technique to yeild approx. 2.5g mix alkaloids. I weighed out a gram of extract and split it (eyeballed) between me and two other individuals and we all licked up the powder.

T+30minutes= Starting of some body effects and visuals starting at a much earlier stage in the "coming up" phase, no nausea reported from anyone, some tension reported from one individual in the head and chest but this was very mild and short lived.

T+1hour= already at Shulgin scale ++ to +++, noticed a much more rapid start to visuals and lesser body load, but this could be due to less mescaline imbibed in comparison to the trip posted above. Still no nausea reported from anyone, but activety is definitelt picking up fast (yet gentle) in all of us.

T+1.75hours= Fully peaking at +++ to ++++, no nausea present in anyone, marked difference in visual patterning and color spectrums, deeper colors rather than the bright spectrum of mescaline alone, more purples, blues, magenta, green, and not the typical rainbow spiral pattern I see w/ just mescaline. Feels more sober in the mind and lighter on the body load but visuals are goin nuts and simple things like packing a bowl of ganga are incredibly difficult w/o a massive effort to clear one's vision, much moreso than the .5g dose posted above.

T+2.5hours= Timelessness has taken it's toll on us and no one seems to care how much time has past or whether it exists at all, all three of us are at the cusp of slipping completely into the visuals whilst feeling rather sober in the mind (lucidity, clearity) and are perfectly capable of verbally expressing our current state. The only complaint is the overabundance of visual patterning and tactile shifting when trying to move about (like going to the bathroom), the contradictory state of mental clarity w/ incredible visual phenomena has become almost annoying to the three of us as we struggle w/ trying to smoke our weed, it's difficult to pack a bowl when the bong and weed keep shifting and morphing and moving, let alone trying to keep a grip on something that feels like it has its own movements.

T+7-8hours?=We've all come down from the trip while still having some rather strong typical visual patterning, otherwise everyone feels completely down and calls it a night, in retrospect all the participants commented that that was the highest they've been on any mescaline I, or anyone else, have ever given them (having eaten .5+ grams before). I'd also say this particular batch of mescaline was some of the most visually strong mescaline I've ever eaten and far surpased the visual phenomena of the first trip post. Since this first experiment w/ adding other cacti to the extraction I now always add atleast a few Mammy tops to the batch being extracted.

Tea made from Trich. Peruvianus (6" cutting)/Trich. Pachanoi (8" cutting)/M. Hahniana (three 4.5" tops) imbibed on a solo mission of cleansing:

T+0minutes= Drink down foul tasting brew w/ a few hasty gulps and decide to meditate to keep from vomiting prematurely.

T+30minutes= Feeling very nauseous and fighting the urge to vomit whilst body load staring to set in.

T+1.25hours= Cant fight the urge any longer, run to the bathroom and projectile vomit into the toilet a few times, return to the sofa only to have to run back to the toilet and repeat the process once more. After purging I feel much better and feel very heavy body load and off-center balancing issues, no biggy though.

T+2hours= Visuals come pouring in abruptly w/ a little bit of edge to them, not gentle like the extracts I've prepared. I put on Seven Years in Tibet for entertainment while I wait for the peak and the storyline is to difficult in my mindspace to follow, but I leave it on as background noise. Visuals are similar to other mescaline/Mammy mixes I've done, colors seem deeper and richer and less bright than plain old mescaline, and patternings are a little bit angular compared to my normal mescaline rounded spirals and wormholes, and I find the visuals to be a bit more complex than reg. mesc. borderlining on what I see from 15-20mg of DMT (just visual comparison, not body high)

T+3.5hours= one more round of dry heaves at the 3 hour mark and I feel wonderful, I opt for sitting as my balance is very poor considering the body load which makes it seem almost impossibly exhausting to stay standing for more than a few minutes. Visuals are strong, +++, but rather than emphasis on colors that I associate w/ mescaline intoxication I'm seeing more of the complex patterning ("sacred geometry") I see w/ prebreakthrough inhalations of DMT. The body high was so overwhelming I decided against going for a walk feeling I would have to sit and rest far too often to have a good time. During the peak I found a point of clarity and was able to pay attention to my electronic entertainment catching the end of Seven Years in Tibet, and decided to put another flick on since following storylines wasn't too strainuous at this point, so I put on Anchorman for commedy relief.

T+4.5hours= Peaking hard, +++, and lovin it, visuals still as report being mostly deeper richer colors and complex geometric patterns and mentally these are not to attention demanding to not enjoy the hilarity of Will Ferrel. At around this point I loaded a large bowl of DMT (100+mgs) onto some weed and startin hitting bongloads, and soon enough I broke through to yet another one of my pivotal lifeshifting trips and gained alot of perspective as to what I was going through at that time in my life. And as usually when I smoke DMT in concurrance w/ any other psychedelic I find that after breaking through, my DMT trip has completely eliminated any aspect of whatever psychedelic I was on, in this case mixed cacti tea...In other words, after smokin a huge bowl of deemsters I am no longer high and no psychedelia remains after return from DMT land, which marks the end of this particluar mescaline experience.

Tea made strictly of mixed Mammies(fourteen 4-6" tops total), including a few M.Craigii (four 4" tops), and an ariocarpus (not sure which species):

T+0minutes= Gulped down bitter brew in a few large mouthfuls and found it to be not nearly as horrid tasting as trich. tea, but still bitter enough to make you gag.

T+30minutes= Shifting in consciousness slowly become noticeable, slight nausea but not enough to wanna puke, body high is light but noticeable.

T+1hour= Visual phenomena occurring and although it seems to me that visuals are quicker in occurrance w/ Mammies than w/ trich. they are much more toned down (i.e. less brightening of color, slower paced movements, earthier colors), body high is very pleasureable (almost erotic) and slightly weighing (pulls you down). No nausea, and feeling very euphoric and bright eyed. Some mild sacred geometry patternings but not overly abundant or super attentio grasping.

T+2hours= I would say I'm peaking at a ++ to +++ at this point, colors are reminiscent of mescaline but different in their own way, once again I will mention the variation in color spectrum in that Mammies, while still rainbowy and vast, are less bright and deeper than the average mescaline trip, once again more navy blues, purples, magentas, greens. I spent the majority of this trip playing my vast array of musical instruments as I felt motivated to do so, but composing anything good was outta the question as I couldn't find the coordination of my mind to orchestrate anything worth listening to, but solo jamming was fun and worthwhile. Overall feeling of bordom unless I occupied myself with some activity, couldn't find it in me to just sit and trip out.

T+3.5hours= Still rolling along at a +++ and in that headspace in which the trip isn't entertaining enough by itself, so I find myself switching from playing instruments to watching movies to playing videogames to surfin the net, feeling very ADD but this happens to me on many psychedelics from time to time.

T+approx. 6-8hours= The tea slowly tapers off at what I'm guessing is about this point, and all in all I'd have to say that the synergistic effect of mixing different psychoactive cacti with the usual trich. extracts is preferable as I, as well as other of my close friends, have observed a marked experience of enhancement of mescaline when mixed w/ various other phenylethylamines of the genus Mammileria, Ariocarpus, and many others I've yet to experiment with.

I'll hop on the completely M.Craigii bioassay ASAP for a more up to date report, this also gives me the idea of doing an extraction on synergistic cacti and a seperate peruvian extraction and trying different mixes of the two :D, might be awhile before that thread pops up but I'm sure I can get around to it before the end of this year. Thanks for reading!

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If his results are repeatable it may be the case that many Mammillarias are valuable as admixtures to Trichocereus. It may also be the case that different species may produce different modulations of Trichocereus experiences, if such is the case than once they have been researched for individual effects different species could be mixed in a brew or even hybridized to produce tailor made modulation of the effects of Trichocereus. Information on the chemistry of Mammillarias is scarce but it is known that many contain phenethylamines (such as 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 3,4-Dimethoxy-N-methylphenethylamine, etc.) known to act synergistically in different ways with mescaline.

It is my belief that in the future such research may extend to include study of the admixture potential of known hikuli species such as Echinocereus scheeri v gentryi, Echinocereus polyacanthus, Epithelantha micromeris, etc. and possibly into cacti that are not recorded as hikuli plants or cimora admixtures but which have promising looking biochemistry- perhaps something as innocent as Escobaria missouriensis.

Some cactus alkaloid data for your browsing

[Chiral]

Excellent data thanks Aux..particularly interested in this and more so the ME..Extracted from fresh cuttings via the me!'s mescaline in less than 4 hours technique to yeild approx. 2.5g mix alkaloids

The spice commentaries are typical and accurate in that the ending can come quite soon and unexpectedness with other psychedelics..in fact it can be the first choice to end a trip and get some tiredness happening so one can get some sleep rather than sitting out the tail ends wide eyed and beaten.

Great stuff..great articles and Bioassays.

H.

[Inyan]

Mixed Mammillaria tea sounds interesting enough, but more data is needed as far as mixes and proportions. Which species or hybrids were utilized, how many of each variety utiilized, and were each of these separate varieties tested previously on their own. I'm assuming a mixture was thought to be more synergistic or otherwise done as they were what was available in the quantity desired at the time.

As we have seen that some Mammillaria will cross with Lophophora it also makes a good argument for crossing active varieties of Mam's with Loph's. Now, if we could just get a list of compatible crosses for Mam's we might be able to find a Lobivia, Echinopsis, etc. to make a bridge cross and hopefully get the attributes of the Mammillaria, Lophophora, and Trichocereus that we like into one cacti. What we need here is a comprehensive listing of all known crosses with Mam's , Lobivia, Echinopsis, Trichocereus, to shorten our search. Of course, we could rely on pollen cocktails, but I'd much prefer a smaller cocktail to a larger cocktail.

Excellent data thanks Aux..particularly interested in this and more so the ME..Extracted from fresh cuttings via the me!'s mescaline in less than 4 hours technique to yeild approx. 2.5g mix alkaloids

The spice commentaries are typical and accurate in that the ending can come quite soon and unexpectedness with other psychedelics..in fact it can be the first choice to end a trip and get some tiredness happening so one can get some sleep rather than sitting out the tail ends wide eyed and beaten.

Great stuff..great articles and Bioassays.

H.

[Teotzlcoatl]

A number of reports of Mammillaria craigii have concluded that is psychoactive and has effects similair to MDMA.

It has shown to be fairly safe, as far as we can tell.

Try 1-3 Mammillaria craigii or Mammillaria heyderii mixed with 6 inchs of Trichocereus and see what it does.

Check this out!

Edited January 2, 2009 by Teotz'

[Chiral]

T+0minutes= Extracted from fresh cuttings via the me!'s mescaline in less than 4 hours technique to yeild approx. 2.5g mix alkaloids.

Where can one find this tek....I can't see it anywhere on Google....anyone...?

H.

[Ace]

Where can one find this tek....

Try the Nook's chem section (esp. the pinned threads). Note you need to be a member to access the sub-forum.

Possibly this tek? Ultra Fast Mesc Extraction Illustrated by me!

Edited January 2, 2009 by Ace

[Chiral]

you legend ACE...thanks.

H.

[hebrew]

i dont go to the nook anymore but does anyone know what happened to me!? is he still around? good fulla he was. did alot for cactus extractions we can all thank him for some of the work he did in that regard IMO. i know he was ill and i havent seen him post for a long time but as i said i dont go to the nook anymore.

[bit]

I don't know if he's still around. Certainly he hasn't posted in the cactus section of the nook for a long time now. And yes he was not well, and had many troubles Great bloke he is. His last post on the nook was 24/01/07....

Edited January 2, 2009 by bit

[PD.]

I think he may be on a ummmmmmmmm, holiday ;)

Edited January 2, 2009 by PD.

[hebrew]

yeah that thought crossed my mind

[kakti]

He's on a very extended holiday, alas I don't believe he will be posting for a very long time.

[hebrew]

what a shame sorry to hear that. thanks for clarifying

[Teotzlcoatl]

Interesting thread...