No opt-out web filtering

[Hendry]

"No other Western democracy operates a system such as the one proposed by the Australian Government. When the Government refers to other nations having such systems, it omits the fact that elsewhere the involvement of the ISPs is completely voluntary and take-up is very low. In those other countries, the ISP has a choice and so, therefore, does the Internet user. The Australian proposal effectively makes the Internet Service Provider a tool of censorship and would decide for each Internet user what they can or cannot read and discuss online." - Amnesty International

Unfucking belivable! It's Amazing that Australians have quietly allowed their government to evolve into a police state. Paintballguns banned, Racy Video Games banned, Laser pointers banned, pepper spray banned, blowguns? yes thats right blowguns banned lol, Books banned. Pictures of dead babies on a pack of cigarettes -check lol we are all safer

It would be nice to see some politicians in australia who trust the australian public enough to allow them to read any book they fucking want to full stop.

Civil liberties don't exist here.

The Prime minister supports the shit.... it's almost comical if it wasn't so disturbing. There would be riots in the street if they tried this in any other 1st world country.

The UK has a bill of rights you think Australia would.

Doesn't seem the Australian government trusts it's people at all. Moved out here recently, think Australia is cool as shit , it pisses me off to see the place run like a penal colony nanny state.

Hopefully this changes.

[botanika]

Living in china - everything is blocked or banned. At least Australia still has YouTube. Think of the brightside - the more civil restrictions the more reasons for the laymen to get legal savvy or in my case, proxy server savvy wherever someone builds a wall you can dig or climb. Were monkeys at heart, I like to dig and climb. Freedom Can't be fought for or controlled it's like water - it will eventually reach the oceans or the clouds. In china even simple google search words are blocked but the irony is at almost every corner there is someone selling fake hardcore sex DVDs. sometimes the more a gov tries to control things the less control they actually have.

Edited July 7, 2009 by botanika

[Garbage]

I wonder,will there be an office filled with people living off taxation examining paedophile material with a view to archive?

Surely downloading child pornography goes on already within the halls of power but now it will be quite legal for government employees to do so.

I smell a rat.

[Rabelais]

I see many Aus based forums with threads dedicated to the filter...mainly people ranting and venting in no coherent manner.

I wonder how many people against the filter have actually taken the time to sit down for an hour or so, do some research, build a coherent argument in the form of a letter, email it or print out and post it to their local member.

IMO, the filter will not be implemented. There is growing mainstream media coverage in recent months in regards to the technical improbabilities of successful ISP level filtering, and the absolute shit-can of worms the Conroy office opened by including RC games.

As I understand it, it still needs to get through parliament before implemented. Nick Xenophon has said no, Greens have said no...the real danger will come if some Liberals decide to support it (Minchin has said no), so it really does not seem likely...I hope

I expect that the filter will be watered down and eventually pass as an "opt in" setup...yup $40,000,000 for a filter which will do the same thing as the Net Nanny software. Fucking morons.

If the filter does become mandatory, call me out on this post and I will post a picture of myself eating my boxers. (Edit: If SB is not blocked that is )

- Coop

Edited July 7, 2009 by Dale Cooper

[Hendry]

At least Australia still has YouTube. Think of the brightside

Some Youtube links will be blocked according to this article

"But not all the sites are offensive, and include links to rank-and-file pornography, YouTube videos, poker sites, WikiLeaks entries and even URLs to a Queensland dentist and dog-boarding kennel. "

"History shows that secret censorship systems, whatever their original intent, are invariably corrupted into anti-democratic behavior," WikiLeaks said in a statement. "This week saw Australia joining China and the United Arab Emirates as the only countries censoring WikiLeaks."

Link

[Garbage]

I the 80's we had beard wearing terrorist Gerry Adams on the BBC seemingly every evening,they were by law required to use the voice of an actor,weird huh.

[Yeti101]

The ACMA complaint form for 'Prohibited' online content is back up on the web. http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-repli...5&p=39#r765

I've posted a link to the Whirlpool Forums post that contains the complaint form address as I don't want to risk anyone at ACMA looking through their referral logs and then looking at us. Paranoid I know, but it doesn't hurt to take that extra precaution.

[Neoshaman]

Was wondering what was going on with all this i was thinking they would try to slip it through sooner or later so whats the timeline these wankers that run our country are working on to implement their big brother bullshit

[Yeti101]

Report on the so-called 'trial' of ISP level filtering (that's the trial that has no actual pre-defined measure of success or failure ! ) is supposed to be out in September - but if previous behaviour of the DBCDE is anything to go by, we will be waiting some time before anything is made public.

The time line for implementation is tricky, given that they haven't (publicly) decided what they are going to do, how they are going to do it, how they can force it through a hostile Senate or if they even need to create a new law to do it.

The next Federal Election will be sometime between 7 August 2010 and 16 April 2011, barring a double dissolution. If they can gather enough support, the ALP may go for implementation before the election. Or if it seems deeply unpopular (as it appears to be) then they may put it off indefinitely. Over time the supposed scope that the Minster refers to has changed significantly, so the final outcome could be anything from "thought police meet keystone cops" to "token banning of something bad".

As an aside, I have heard that websites could use the ACMA IP range to effectively censor their pages eg: if are coming from an ACMA IP address, you see website A, if you come from anywhere else, you see website B. I don't know the details, but some people here might have a clue what I'm talking about. See Whirlpool for more details

[Arieon]

But it's not - it's a lot of content that people take for granted. I know no one is going to get on TV and stand up for porn, but I think that if I want to watch consenting adults fuck or read a spice extraction tek on the internet, I should be able to make those choices

Speak for yourself, given the opportunity to hit the media and debate them silly and charge the government with this crime against humanity within australia given the chance i would be more than willing to go up on public television on every channel and on every radio show. I wouldn't just be standing up for porn i would be enlightening the entire population of the freedom of rights act. At the same time as standing up for pornography.

It is only a matter of time before my generation says NO and takes back what is slowly being taken away. Say goodbye to your corrupt societies and governments and say hello to the new way of harmonies ways of life. i.e Free Energy and unlimited physics.

Arieon

[Rabelais]

Arieon

Speak for yourself, given the opportunity to hit the media and debate them silly and charge the government with this crime against humanity within australia given the chance i would be more than willing to go up on public television on every channel and on every radio show. I wouldn't just be standing up for porn i would be enlightening the entire population of the freedom of rights act. At the same time as standing up for pornography.

Freedom of Rights Act? I never heard of this...do you mean the Human Rights Act?

As I understand it (I could be wrong) but in Australia we have no laws for freedom of speech...most of our freedoms are implied? I believe this is one major reason for the debate on us having a bill or charter of rights. Presumably, this would make our freedoms law.

Then again, now I think about it, I think we did have a Bill of Rights a few years ago...but this changed to the Human Rights Act?

Meh, I don't know...laws in this country are such a mess.

Yeti101

See Whirlpool for more details

Agreed, some of the people posting at Whirlpool really know the knitty-gritty behind much of this. Seems the best way to keep up to date with things.

- Coop

[Yeti101]

As I understand it (I could be wrong) but in Australia we have no laws for freedom of speech...most of our freedoms are implied?

Yes, certainly where freedom of speech is concerned. Even then it is only really political communication that is protected. This is why when Senor Conroy is challenged about free speech, he responds by saying that they won't interfere with political communication. The man might be a prize arsehole, but he has been briefed on how the Constitution works in this regard. And before anyone of you launch into that pseudomarxist/feminist "but everything is political" tirade, I'm sympathetic, but the High Court does not share your views - so you may have to work the brain cells a little harder to come up with a solution.

[Arieon]

Freedom of Rights Act? I never heard of this...do you mean the Human Rights Act?

As I understand it (I could be wrong) but in Australia we have no laws for freedom of speech...most of our freedoms are implied? I believe this is one major reason for the debate on us having a bill or charter of rights. Presumably, this would make our freedoms law.

Then again, now I think about it, I think we did have a Bill of Rights a few years ago...but this changed to the Human Rights Act?

Meh, I don't know...laws in this country are such a mess.

Agreed, some of the people posting at Whirlpool really know the knitty-gritty behind much of this. Seems the best way to keep up to date with things.

- Coop

Was referring to the freedom of humanity.

[Yeti101]

Was referring to the freedom of humanity.

You talk about Freedom as if it's inherent. Well I have news for you, it isn't, at least not in any way that means we don't have to fight for it. Philosophically, you might have something. But the situation we have here requires Politicians, High Court justices and (most frighteningly) ordinary people to understand freedom in a certain way. The truth of what philosophers and mystics think about this is irrelevant unless it connects with and motivates one or more of the aforementioned groups.

[Neoshaman]

http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/312845/st...ls_unscientific

according to this article it would seem even the testing of this system is a complete farce with statisticians claiming it to have little if any scientific merit , I think this is just further proof that this government is more intrested in control as oppose to safety at least Howard was an openly facist little fucking prick , Rudd pretends toi be our friend by handing out cash while he strips our freedoms away at each opportunity that our back is turned

[hutch]

http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/312845/st...ls_unscientific

according to this article it would seem even the testing of this system is a complete farce with statisticians claiming it to have little if any scientific merit , I think this is just further proof that this government is more intrested in control as oppose to safety at least Howard was an openly facist little fucking prick , Rudd pretends toi be our friend by handing out cash while he strips our freedoms away at each opportunity that our back is turned

I wrote another letter and emailed it off to Conroy's office again yesterday (I was in a shit of a mood all day) his address is as follows....

[email protected]

Keep on top of this one!!!!! Our rights are being eroded!!!! No reply as yet but I guess I didn't really expect one. He will probably just put me on his mailing list...

Hutch

[Rabelais]

hutch

I wrote another letter and emailed it off to Conroy's office again yesterday

I doubt you will get a reply beyond a form letter. There is a scathing reply to the form letter you can use; written by someone on Whirlpool (forget the user handle) which basically tears strips out of the form letter and exposes the bullshit that it contains.

Also did you send your letter to your local member?...It will probably not get replied to either though if they are Labor.

I seriously do not know what is happening with our pollies and their social engineering based on moral self righteousness. Rudd is giving a speech to the ACL in November about building our nations character. I would expect this to be the event to watch if you actually want to hear Rudd speak of it first-hand. He has been extremely silent on the issue.

Edited August 26, 2009 by Dale Cooper

[hutch]

I doubt you will get a reply beyond a form letter. There is a scathing reply to the form letter you can use; written by someone on Whirlpool (forget the user handle) which basically tears strips out of the form letter and exposes the bullshit that it contains.

Also did you send your letter to your local member?...It will probably not get replied to either though if they are Labor.

I seriously do not know what is happening with our pollies and their social engineering based on moral self righteousness. Rudd is giving a speech to the ACL in November about building our nations character. I would expect this to be the event to watch if you actually want to hear Rudd speak of it first-hand. He has been extremely silent on the issue.

I lent very heavily this time on my families loss of 3 brothers from the one family out of 5 who all went off to war to fight for these very right's and only 2 came home. (true story) I am genuinely angry at the very slow withdrawal of our basic democratic and human rights. To arm's!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't copy this one to my local member but I will today. Keep up the good fight people!!!

[ThunderIdeal]

NSFW

sorry guys this link has a couple of disgusting pictures right at the top

link copied over from oztrance

NSFW - anonymous vs conroy

NSFW

how good is it, to have foreigners taking up our battle because we are so slack!

Edited September 10, 2009 by ThunderIdeal

[Garbage]

"I refuse to believe filthy lies",but witholding funding is offensive to them.

[hutch]

Small amount of coverage in the media last night but as of this morning NOTHING!

Channel 9 this morning - zip!

Hutch

[ThunderIdeal]

Some delicious copypasta

"The whole Anonymous thing is fanciful garbage. As a group it's not to be taken seriously," the source (a 'network security professional') who wished their name to be withheld, told ZDNet.com.au"

"who wished their name to be withheld"

heh

i dunno guys. i don't think anonymous can win this battle, not without some australians making an effort too. are the attacks even a good thing?

maybe the best thing we could do is increase the publicity of the attacks? australians have a right to know that they have pissed off internet users around the world.

[Hendry]

"The whole Anonymous thing is fanciful garbage. As a group it's not to be taken seriously," the source (a 'network security professional') who wished their name to be withheld, told ZDNet.com.au"

"who wished their name to be withheld"

He would be a fool to give his name lol.

There first attack sounded pretty shithouse but eventually Hackers worldwide (one's who have there shit together)will give those who support Censorship in Australia their attention. This is only the beginning

This law has nothing to do with childporn. People who download that shit should be arrested. It's just an excuse to slow down the internets,Control the australian public with censorship and make Australia the laughingstock of the "Free world?"

The politicians in Australia do not trust the people who elected them.

There are 14 ways to skin a cat and with all the attention this issue is getting within the hacking community, Sooner or later one way or another someone will get to tinkering with the individuals who support this cockwash filter.

Look what happened to Scientology their cult is ballsdeep in trouble.

Would be a shame if they enacted this filter as the gov't could ban this website.

Alot of people who I have spoken to don't seem the least bit concerned over this.

I'm hoping in the end Australians will tell there Nanny state Gov't to get rooted and stop shitting on there civil liberties.

[ThunderIdeal]

yeah but we're so apathetic hendry maybe a lot more than US folk i'm not sure.

it's great that international web users are showing up to the protest but in the end surely it will be our responsibility to do something.

[Rabelais]

I am still undecided about whether the attack was a good thing or not. Pro: It brought some media attention. Con: It will give the government ammo against anti-censorship people...I can hear their spin doctors now "These hackers are internet terrorists, we will not give in to terrorism"

ThunderIdeal

yeah but we're so apathetic hendry maybe a lot more than US folk i'm not sure.

I think this would have no chance in the States. They have a Bill of Rights and suspicion of big, interventionist central governments which has been beaten into them from a young age. Just look at their current health care debate...you don't hear Aussies shouting "no socialism!" when the federal government threatens to take over the states hospitals.

I believe a recent ninemsn poll in the last few days had 130,000+ against internet censorship and only 20,000+ for censorship. If the pollies are our servants, then I hope they are getting the message.

Australian apathy pisses me off. I'm working on a plan to take over Tasmania and secede...people will have to enter re-education camps for several moths before being let back into the population. Who's with me?