The Dude Posted July 29, 2008 FACT Functional Agreement on a Consensus at this Time Ideas change all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MORG Posted July 29, 2008 If one in every million people disagrees, does this prevent consensus and hence FACT? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Free Man Posted July 29, 2008 (edited) A Fact is The bit of skin between the muckhole and the F%hole if you slip your in the shit and that's a fact. Edited July 29, 2008 by Free Man Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dude Posted July 29, 2008 hehe excellent 1st post free man. MORG. a fact is just an agreement anyway. Nothing ever becomes or ceases being a fact. People either believe in something or they don't. Also... bare with the free association, consensus to me implies seeking consent for believing something. So if everybody else believes something to be true, you have consent to believe the same and consider it a fact. It's a matter of who you trust, me or you. It is the juxtaposition of individual and collective, and the truth is an ever shifting interplay of the two, and who is most convincing in their claim to authority of the truth. Institutions are only as convincing as their years of indoctrination. Plants can shift the certainty of facts in an individual and collective, much more convincingly and efficiently: Direct Mystical Transmissions the only constant is change. Any concept of truth is merely a transient construct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) Not entirely sure I agree Dude. What about all the many religions with thousands of followers believing in invisible characters (gods, angels, demons, etc) - are they factual just becuase lots of people believe in them? I like to think of facts being things that cannot be proved wrong, such as gravity. And freeman, that was a classic Edited for 'beefiness': Fact: The H2O molecule freezes or solidifies at 0 degrees centigrade and boils or becomes gaseous at 100 degrees centigrade. Fact: There are 1000 millimetres in 1 meter Fact: 11,111 multiplied by 11,111 gives 123,454,321 (funky maths equation ) Not a fact: Heaven and Hell exist Not a fact: All polititians are crooked Not a fact: Extraterestrial life has visited Earth Now many people will argue against the 'Not a fact's', many quite convincingly, but that doesnt make them any more factual without physical evience to back it up, preventing it from being proved wrong or nullified. Edited July 30, 2008 by Ace Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nabraxas Posted July 30, 2008 Fact: The H2O molecule freezes or solidifies at 0 degrees centigrade and boils or becomes gaseous at 100 degrees centigrade. --at sea level, at higher altitudes (= lower pressures) water boils at lower temperatures and vice-versa. Fact: There are 1000 millimetres in 1 meter who/what defines "meter"?, who/what defines "milimeter"?. Can you be sure that the milimeters on that 99 cent wooden ruler you bought in K-mart are all exactly defined to the standard? even on a quantum scale? Fact: 11,111 multiplied by 11,111 gives 123,454,321 (funky maths equation smile.gif) prove it. here's the proof that 1+1=2: can you prove your math? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conan Troutman Posted July 30, 2008 The melting point of water at 1 atmosphere of pressure is very close to 0 °C (32 °F, 273.15 K), and in the presence of nucleating substances the freezing point of water is close to the melting point, but in the absence of nucleators water can super cool to −42 °C (−43.6 °F, 231 K) before freezing. Under high pressure (2,000 atmospheres) water will super cool to as low as −70°C (−94°F, 203 K) before freezing LINK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted July 30, 2008 --at sea level, at higher altitudes (= lower pressures) water boils at lower temperatures and vice-versa. Another fact. who/what defines "meter"?, who/what defines "milimeter"?. Can you be sure that the milimeters on that 99 cent wooden ruler you bought in K-mart are all exactly defined to the standard? even on a quantum scale? The metric system which is used by all but 3 nations across the globe. Whether or not a cheap ruler is entirely accurate or not has nothing to do with the basis of the metric system... Fact is that the system defines that there is and can only be 1000mm to 1m. can you prove your math? No, I was always crap at maths - but I'll let my and anyone elses average* calculator prove it for me. *Dont bother trying to find some fancy arsed calculator that functions in some unusual way - I'm talking about your average calculator that is utilised by almost every mathematically minded country worldwide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted July 30, 2008 Interesting fact Conan People can keep laying shit on my examples, but they are still very much factual (although they could have been written out over several pages to make them comprehensive) But note they are only very short examples used to illustrate my above point and due to them being so short and lacking intricate detail, of course people can pick away at them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MORG Posted July 30, 2008 Fact: Some people will believe anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Free Man Posted July 30, 2008 FACT I think I will stick by my origoinal post. Who cares about the rest of the shit. We all are caught up in a financial prison and all the bickering about a whole lot of BS just stops us seeing the world as the prison it really is. That is the beauty of entheogens They show us the world the way it should be, They allow us to stop caring about what a FACT is!! Take a closer look, prove me wrong - I don't care!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted July 30, 2008 Who cares about the rest of the shit. We all are caught up in a financial prison and all the bickering about a whole lot of BS just stops us seeing the world as the prison it really is. So that should stop us from discussing things? Whether or not we are all stuck in a prison called reality shouldn't stop people from communicating, discussing, debating and learning from each other. That is the beauty of entheogens They show us the world the way it should be I couldn't agree more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Free Man Posted July 30, 2008 No Don't take it offensively what I am saying is there is no point making an argument of it. A solicitor once told me that a fact i[in the legal sense] is when for example in court you satnd up and argue the sky is green and someone else say no it is blue when the a third say "its green" it becomes a fact. so in reality there is no real facts. My reality tells me that argument is frivolous. I beleive all the little things we argue about ie who is the better politician? etc they are created to blind us to the reality. We het caught up in the little things and fail to see the truth about what is really happening in our world. As I said please don't take offense - but - is it worth an argument, converse by all means but it is futile to exclaim your thoughts as being the only correct thoughts. as we each beleive what we beleive in. We just have to accept what eachother has to say. Why must we prove this and prove that in a forum where we are all friends in anonymity to the larger degree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace Posted July 30, 2008 please don't take offense Not at all Each opinion is welcome here (or it certainly should be). I was just curious as to your thought process behind your post. A solicitor once told me that a fact i[in the legal sense] is when for example in court you satnd up and argue the sky is green and someone else say no it is blue when the a third say "its green" it becomes a fact. so in reality there is no real facts. My reality tells me that argument is frivolous. I think thats what the Dude was alluding to. I still think otherwise - just because several people believe something doesnt make it factual, especially if it goes against logic. However in a court or something, people can be pursuaded to think certain things (such as they sky being green) if they are lead by a moron or someone intentionally leading them astray (lawyers could of course fall under either category ). At the end of the day though, I think there are still vast differences between facts and perceived truths. We just have to accept what eachother has to say. Why must we prove this and prove that in a forum where we are all friends in anonymity to the larger degree. Totally agree that we have to accept each others opinions. The reason we are debating (despite our similarities in backgrounds and the place where we are doing the debating) is simply because it is a human trait/instinct to learn through discussion - whether it is via direct or argumentative (debating) means. I dont think anyone here is at boiling point (or any truly negative state) where this argument would pose any negative risk. Hence I dont think there is any harm done by debating things like this at all - if anything it only leads to constructive thoughts. Plus, isnt philosophy all about questioning reality and the world around us? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Free Man Posted July 30, 2008 Yes what dude said! So is the sky green or blue? What is Green and what is blue? and who says? It is blue because we have been trained to beleive that is what blue looks like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayjay101 Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) Free man, I like you're vibe - very similar to my own state of mind... Though the crux of this philosophy is: everything is nothing and nothing is everything Once you accept there are no facts, no universal rights or wrongs, no great truths, no meaningful bearings only relative reference points, what then? It is beneficial to bite the bullet at some point and construct 'facts' based on relative reference points (forgetting the above learnings), as a means of survival in the physical world. I guess the point is that we need to remember that facts and beliefs are only constructs of a mind trying to cope with it's true nature. The way we defend them so tightly is ludicrous, as you say. 'I don't believe in belief. ...the second you commit to a single belief you preclude all other possibilities.' - T McKenna EDIT: spelling Edited July 30, 2008 by ayjay101 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark80 Posted July 30, 2008 who/what defines "meter"?, who/what defines "milimeter"?. Can you be sure that the milimeters on that 99 cent wooden ruler you bought in K-mart are all exactly defined to the standard? even on a quantum scale? it is defined as the distance light travels in a vacum over a certain time (Which the exact number eludes me) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Undergrounder Posted July 30, 2008 Free man,I like you're vibe - very similar to my own state of mind... Though the crux of this philosophy is: everything is nothing and nothing is everything Once you accept there are no facts, no universal rights or wrongs, no great truths, no meaningful bearings only relative reference points, what then? It is beneficial to bite the bullet at some point and construct 'facts' based on relative reference points (forgetting the above leanrings), as a means of survival in the physical world. I guess the point is that we need to remember that facts and beliefs are only constructs of a mind trying to cope with it's true nature. The way we defend them so tightly is ludicrous, as you say. 'I don't believe in belief. ...the second you commit to a single belief you preclue all other possibilities.' - T McKenna I like you're style a well.. "Once you accept there are no facts, no universal rights or wrongs, no great truths, no meaningful bearings only relative reference points" - is that a fact? how can that statement be true if there is no truth? And as for Terrence, the belief that you don't believe in belief is itself a belief. but other than that i like your style, i wish more people think this way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Free Man Posted July 30, 2008 TAO The way that is, is not the way. the way is the unspeakable way, too large to Deny, Too small to exist. There are a lot of verses which reflect the thought thhat the true way is not the one that can be spoken, or written about. I can't explain it because it doesn't exist but , if it does not exist and I know it does not exist then it must exist. It just makes sense that it doesn't make any sense at all.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dude Posted July 30, 2008 (edited) [edit] spelling mistakes, added some thoughts. TAOThe way that is, is not the way. the way is the unspeakable way, too large to Deny, Too small to exist. There are a lot of verses which reflect the thought thhat the true way is not the one that can be spoken, or written about. I can't explain it because it doesn't exist but , if it does not exist and I know it does not exist then it must exist. It just makes sense that it doesn't make any sense at all.. :D ahh i'm happy this thread concluded with some mindfuck.. makes perfect sense though. The joy of knowing through not knowing. "All I know is that i don't know nothing" I like Terrences ideology of having no beliefs. I however think it to be impossible... through the very logic of undergrounder.. that 'no belief' is a belief; all perception is a choice and as such there is no 'un-influenced' truth. It is all a relativistic subjective interplay of truths. .. that word 'impossible' sounds very tempting to prove wrong.. but then I don't really intend to have a reality of 'pure' experience without any personal agency of what's going on, maybe become the logos manifest on earth and be a total tool of the collective. In any case i don't see the attractiveness or even the possibility of a totally passive existence, which no belief to me implies: Nihilism --> Entropy --> Inexistence.. if this Nietzsche-ian emo thing takes a hold.. like say numbers hit a critical mass and there comes a time when apathy becomes a fact provable by our very inexistence.. then we'll be scratching our heads, on the flipside in imaginationville discussing the improvability of temporarily constructed physical realities. Our Facts, our beliefs, our hopes and fears shape the direct experience of the reality around us.. so if it's in terms of empirical evidence we can keep 'facts' slotted into the categorical system they employ, but when it comes to appreciating reality, there is a much larger context to be experienced that flows like water over the rigid structures of mind. I'm just trying to build something of an internet consensus thingo... of how certain we are of the rock we live on.. that being fundamental laws of physics and so on as the cause.. or the effect of the psyche. Does it influence our beliefs or is it created by them? .. is there a difference? muthafuckin Matrix man.. sure gravity is a constant law, but the mind transcends all such limitations, as we manifest our will in this open source program. Some fuckers hold onto code for their own greedy ends but 'the revolution' have 1337 h4x0rs anyway. hmm whole point of this was to keep it short and sweet and have you lot argue semantics until you prove my point about the essentially unprovability of all things, as there is always one that disagrees, as such a fact is nothing more than an agreement, that serves to function as a relative reference point, that we can agree we agree on, in as much as i think i can empathise and understand reality as you do. Common agreements serve to build our relationships to each other and the environment, and are prone to change as we grow in understanding. The Psyche is fragmented into specific fields of expertise, as the collective divvies up harmonically, so it is a function to only disclose part of the truth as that part of society 'needs' to understand it at the time.. for the purposes of balance or some NWO crap. All scientific discoveries get outdated in due time, they are merely an educated guess. There has been anecdotal evidence experienced through an entire collective that suggests a timeless reality that is merely reflected within this temporary reality. The other is forever unseen, but by our very existence it is implied. A harmonic self similarity that keeps getting forgotten and remembered "The more that things change, the more they're the same" There may indeed be much larger 'laws' like gravity and the like that we may even be unaware of.. that are more in tune with a poetic or comedic understanding of the psyche than a rational one. Or it is spoken through the soul language of music. I suppose the nature of these 'communications' from a transcendant other is they always work by pushing the envelope of understood reality, so that any attempt to classify their factual reality is inherintly impossible anyway.. so wtf am i on about? really? .. oh yeah, I wish to declare as fact, the reality of transcendence as being able to eliminate the certainty of anything as true, and that if we can agree on that much, we can start dismantling this shattered psyche to rebuild it all. How we feel is how we are, is what reality IS.. factually. What prompted this was people that get really up in arms about other people spouting so and so to be the truth, even without necessarily stating anything as fact. I still felt like re-interpreting not the facts.. but the FACT. The connotation that fact carries with it, the idea of an objective truth, seems too restrictive (even subconsciously) for us to build new functional agreements, that we can have consensus on as more true to the time we're in now. If we believe the limitations, they can't help but prove their existence, so instead of believing in any limiting structure, i doubt most of these facts as anything but a temporary function needed now. In western society and the ever more materialist east, we have been robbed of our birthright to experience transcendence, to have a talk with the big guy. Get another perspective on the whole thing. We have been made slaves to an alien host, that is killing our minds / realities; the reflection in nature shows scary symbolism of flushing the parasite away via tsunamis and floods. We are but single cells in the larger human being, in the larger animal being, in the larger planetary being.. a cosmic being etc... anyway on even the human level we are so disconnected so as to be unaware of our individual impact in the larger sense. Via transcendence the nexus of time and space is seen to be a direct reflection of perception. ie: Personal responsibility.. for even seeing reality in more of a downer or a positive note, is seen to refract through the whole. This might not be a fact. But It would be a functional agreement to have as a consensus at this time. The larger models of mind we could build having some kind of 'factual' framework to start with. Maybe my beef isn't with facts, so much as the distinction of science.. and 'pseudo science' as legitimate and illegitimate fields of study for seriously improving our condition... and how the larger population whether consciously or subconsciously is limited in their own, OUR own.. and MY own potential, by their inability to believe based on their prior beliefs. You can't fill a glass if it's already full. "And we were laughing at the stars While our feet clung tight to the ground So pleased with ourselves for using so many verbs and nouns" Semantic dismantling of words and meaning in this over-intellectualised sorta way is very very lame.. unless the words can evict some emotion. I mean one cannot prove the truth of transcendence through a dry lecture about philosophy and the most abstract of questioning that the head explodes, instead it can be simply done by conveying discrete ideas and reflecting a personal meaning that is timed ever so nicely. Transcendant ecstatic bliss FTW! In such collective groupthinking realities, we might start agreeing on some more. Take it easy guys, I hope this is my last brainspill for a bit. I've talked a lotta crap to get where I am, it got me nowhere, i'ts a fact. You know when you're sure that no one gives a crap, you're on the right track It's a fact And when you believe, things are good it's guaranteed you're up your ass It's a fact Morons through the world, and it's shitty place no one ever asked to be born It's a fact You know every time you think you've got it right, you're totally wrong It's a fact And when you really try the efforts misapplied or there's a catch It's a fact When you've got a sure thing, you're sure to fuck it up It's one thing you can count on every time It's a fact What can you do? Absolutely nothing don't even try to amount to something It will never work and Hitler is a jerk, and soon we'll all be dead anyway It's a fact (you suck) In five billion years the sun will explode It's in the bible It's a fact And no one will know that we were ever here It's a fact It's a fact So rest assured in knowing that what you do don't matter Some one can do it better anyway It's a fact It's a fact Edited July 31, 2008 by The Dude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayjay101 Posted July 30, 2008 I think it is possible to say that you don't believe in beliefs, and doing this is not itself a belief - it is simply knowing what you're thinking. If you have to believe that you're thinking something when you really are thinking it you would also have to believe that you believe you're thinking it and so on to infinity, which makes it impossible to rest your belief on anything in the first place, and without having any convincing laurel, you also cease to exist. This is Ego death - we've all been there, wondering 'Did I just think that, or did I just think I thought that, or did I just think I thought that I thought that?!?' Usually followed by, 'Fuck this, I only wanted pretty colours and patterns!'. But then you come back, gratefully reborn into your Ego, knowing you're thoughts once again, and not having to believe you're having them. The end of the trip is realising what you're experiencing is coming from the physical senses once again and not from Nth-level though loop. If we didn't know what we are thinking we would always be in ego death, and this is not the case I think. The ecstasy is great when we realise 'I'm back! I really exist!' - this is when you know what you're thinking once again, and no longer have to choose to believe it. Believing in something external (whether the sky is green) is different to believing something internal (Believing that you believe the sky is green). Because we don't 'believe' in internal things, we 'know' them (We know we believe the sky is green = we believe the sky is green). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nabraxas Posted July 30, 2008 All statements are true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense. Principia Discordia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Free Man Posted July 31, 2008 Just for interest sake [take a look at chapter 75 it is interesting Tao te Ching by Lao-tzu Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology PeopleNology PeopleTopia PeopleTopian [email protected] [email protected] (Sacred Books of the East, Vol 39) [1891] 81 Verses Tao Te Ching English Version Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology Nollijy University Mechanicsburg Pa 17055 Tao Te Ching Chapter 1 The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao The name that can be named is not the eternal name The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth The named is the mother of myriad things Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations These two emerge together but differ in name The unity is said to be the mystery Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders Chapter 2 When the world knows beauty as beauty, ugliness arises When it knows good as good, evil arises Thus being and non-being produce each other Difficult and easy bring about each other Long and short reveal each other High and low support each other Music and voice harmonize each other Front and back follow each other Therefore the sages: Manage the work of detached actions Conduct the teaching of no words They work with myriad things but do not control They create but do not possess They act but do not presume They succeed but do not dwell on success It is because they do not dwell on success That it never goes away Chapter 3 Do not glorify the achievers So the people will not squabble Do not treasure goods that are hard to obtain So the people will not become thieves Do not show the desired things So their hearts will not be confused Thus the governance of the sage: Empties their hearts Fills their bellies Weakens their ambitions Strengthens their bones Let the people have no cunning and no greed So those who scheme will not dare to meddle Act without contrivance And nothing will be beyond control Chapter 4 The Tao is empty When utilized, it is not filled up So deep! It seems to be the source of all things It blunts the sharpness Unravels the knots Dims the glare Mixes the dusts So indistinct! It seems to exist I do not know whose offspring it is Its image is the predecessor of the Emperor Chapter 5 Heaven and Earth are impartial And regard myriad things as straw dogs The sages are impartial And regard people as straw dogs The space between Heaven and Earth Is it not like a bellows? Empty, and yet never exhausted It moves, and produces more Too many words hasten failure Cannot compare to keeping quiet Chapter 6 The valley spirit, undying Is called the Mystic Female The gateway of the Mystic Female Is called the root of Heaven and Earth It flows continuously, barely perceptible When utilized, it is never exhausted Chapter 7 Heaven and Earth are everlasting The reason Heaven and Earth can last forever Is that they do not exist for themselves Thus they can last forever Therefore the sages: Places themselves last but end up in front Are outside of themselves and yet survive Is it not due to their selflessness? That is how they can achieve their own goals Chapter 8 The highest goodness resembles water Water greatly benefits myriad things without contention It stays in places that people dislike Therefore it is similar to the Tao Dwelling with the right location Feeling with great depth Giving with great kindness Speaking with great integrity Governing with great administration Handling with great capability Moving with great timing Because it does not contend It is therefore beyond reproach Chapter 9 Holding a cup and overfilling it Cannot be as good as stopping short Pounding a blade and sharpening it Cannot be kept for long Gold and jade fill up the room No one is able to protect them Wealth and position bring arrogance And leave disasters upon oneself When achievement is completed, fame is attained Withdraw oneself This is the Tao of Heaven Chapter 10 In holding the soul and embracing oneness Can one be steadfast, without straying? In concentrating the energy and reaching relaxation Can one be like an infant? In cleaning away the worldly view Can one be without imperfections? In loving the people and ruling the nation Can one be without manipulation? In the heavenly gate's opening and closing Can one hold to the feminine principle? In understanding clearly all directions Can one be without intellectuality? Bearing it, rearing it Bearing without possession Achieving without arrogance Raising without domination This is called the Mystic Virtue Chapter 11 Thirty spokes join in one hub In its emptiness, there is the function of a vehicle Mix clay to create a container In its emptiness, there is the function of a container Cut open doors and windows to create a room In its emptiness, there is the function of a room Therefore, that which exists is used to create benefit That which is empty is used to create functionality Chapter 12 The five colors make one blind in the eyes The five sounds make one deaf in the ears The five flavors make one tasteless in the mouth Racing and hunting make one wild in the heart Goods that are difficult to acquire make one cause damage Therefore the sages care for the stomach and not the eyes That is why they discard the other and take this Chapter 13 Favor and disgrace make one fearful The greatest misfortune is the self What does "favor and disgrace make one fearful" mean? Favor is high; disgrace is low Having it makes one fearful Losing it makes one fearful This is "favor and disgrace make one fearful" What does "the greatest misfortune is the self" mean? The reason I have great misfortune Is that I have the self If I have no self What misfortune do I have? So one who values the self as the world Can be given the world One who loves the self as the world Can be entrusted with the world Chapter 14 Look at it, it cannot be seen It is called colorless Listen to it, it cannot be heard It is called noiseless Reach for it, it cannot be held It is called formless These three cannot be completely unraveled So they are combined into one Above it, not bright Below it, not dark Continuing endlessly, cannot be named It returns back into nothingness Thus it is called the form of the formless The image of the imageless This is called enigmatic Confront it, its front cannot be seen Follow it, its back cannot be seen Wield the Tao of the ancients To manage the existence of today One can know the ancient beginning It is called the Tao Axiom Chapter 15 The Tao masters of antiquity Subtle wonders through mystery Depths that cannot be discerned Because one cannot discern them Therefore one is forced to describe the appearance Hesitant, like crossing a wintry river Cautious, like fearing four neighbors Solemn, like a guest Loose, like ice about to melt Genuine, like plain wood Open, like a valley Opaque, like muddy water Who can be muddled yet desist In stillness gradually become clear? Who can be serene yet persist In motion gradually come alive? One who holds this Tao does not wish to be overfilled Because one is not overfilled Therefore one can preserve and not create anew Chapter 16 Attain the ultimate emptiness Hold on to the truest tranquility The myriad things are all active I therefore watch their return Everything flourishes; each returns to its root Returning to the root is called tranquility Tranquility is called returning to one's nature Returning to one's nature is called constancy Knowing constancy is called clarity Not knowing constancy, one recklessly causes trouble Knowing constancy is acceptance Acceptance is impartiality Impartiality is sovereign Sovereign is Heaven Heaven is Tao Tao is eternal The self is no more, without danger Chapter 17 The highest rulers, people do not know they have them The next level, people love them and praise them The next level, people fear them The next level, people despise them If the rulers' trust is insufficient Have no trust in them Proceeding calmly, valuing their words Task accomplished, matter settled The people all say, "We did it naturally" Chapter 18 The great Tao fades away There is benevolence and justice Intelligence comes forth There is great deception The six relations are not harmonious There is filial piety and kind affection The country is in confused chaos There are loyal ministers Chapter 19 End sagacity; abandon knowledge The people benefit a hundred times End benevolence; abandon righteousness The people return to piety and charity End cunning; discard profit Bandits and thieves no longer exist These three things are superficial and insufficient Thus this teaching has its place: Show plainness; hold simplicity Reduce selfishness; decrease desires Chapter 20 Cease learning, no more worries Respectful response and scornful response How much is the difference? Goodness and evil How much do they differ? What the people fear, I cannot be unafraid So desolate! How limitless it is! The people are excited As if enjoying a great feast As if climbing up to the terrace in spring I alone am quiet and uninvolved Like an infant not yet smiling So weary, like having no place to return The people all have surplus While I alone seem lacking I have the heart of a fool indeed – so ignorant! Ordinary people are bright I alone am muddled Ordinary people are scrutinizing I alone am obtuse Such tranquility, like the ocean Such high wind, as if without limits The people all have goals And I alone am stubborn and lowly I alone am different from them And value the nourishing mother Chapter 21 The appearance of great virtue Follows only the Tao The Tao, as a thing Seems indistinct, seems unclear So unclear, so indistinct Within it there is image So indistinct, so unclear Within it there is substance So deep, so profound Within it there is essence Its essence is supremely real Within it there is faith From ancient times to the present Its name never departs To observe the source of all things How do I know the nature of the source? With this Chapter 22 Yield and remain whole Bend and remain straight Be low and become filled Be worn out and become renewed Have little and receive Have much and be confused Therefore the sages hold to the one as an example for the world Without flaunting themselves – and so are seen clearly Without presuming themselves – and so are distinguished Without praising themselves – and so have merit Without boasting about themselves – and so are lasting Because they do not contend, the world cannot contend with them What the ancients called "the one who yields and remains whole" Were they speaking empty words? Sincerity becoming whole, and returning to oneself Chapter 23 Sparse speech is natural Thus strong wind does not last all morning Sudden rain does not last all day What makes this so? Heaven and Earth Even Heaven and Earth cannot make it last How can humans? Thus those who follow the Tao are with the Tao Those who follow virtue are with virtue Those who follow loss are with loss Those who are with the Tao, the Tao is also pleased to have them Those who are with virtue, virtue is also pleased to have them Those who are with loss, loss is also please to have them Those who do not trust sufficiently, others have no trust in them Tao Te Ching by Lao-tzu Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology PeopleNology PeopleTopia PeopleTopian [email protected] [email protected] (Sacred Books of the East, Vol 39) [1891] 81 Verses Tao Te Ching English Version Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology Nollijy University Mechanicsburg Pa 17055 Tao Te Ching Chapter 24 Those who are on tiptoes cannot stand Those who straddle cannot walk Those who flaunt themselves are not clear Those who presume themselves are not distinguished Those who praise themselves have no merit Those who boast about themselves do not last Those with the Tao call such things leftover food or tumors They despise them Thus, those who possesses the Tao do not engage in them Chapter 25 There is something formlessly created Born before Heaven and Earth So silent! So ethereal! Independent and changeless Circulating and ceaseless It can be regarded as the mother of the world I do not know its name Identifying it, I call it "Tao" Forced to describe it, I call it great Great means passing Passing means receding Receding means returning Therefore the Tao is great Heaven is great Earth is great The sovereign is also great There are four greats in the universe And the sovereign occupies one of them Humans follow the laws of Earth Earth follows the laws of Heaven Heaven follows the laws of Tao Tao follows the laws of nature Chapter 26 Heaviness is the root of lightness. Quietness is the master of restlessness Therefore the sages travel the entire day Without leaving the heavy supplies Even though there are luxurious sights They are composed and transcend beyond How can the lords of ten thousand chariots Applies themselves lightly to the world? To be light is to lose one's root To be restless is to lose one's mastery Chapter 27 Good traveling does not leave tracks Good speech does not seek faults Good reckoning does not use counters Good closure needs no bar and yet cannot be opened Good knot needs no rope and yet cannot be untied Therefore sages often save others And so do not abandon anyone They often save things And so do not abandon anything This is called following enlightenment Therefore the good person is the teacher of the bad person The bad person is the resource of the good person Those who do not value their teachers And do not love their resources Although intelligent, they are greatly confused This is called the essential wonder Chapter 28 Know the masculine, hold to the feminine Be the watercourse of the world Being the watercourse of the world The eternal virtue does not depart Return to the state of the infant Know the white, hold to the black Be the standard of the world Being the standard of the world The eternal virtue does not deviate Return to the state of the boundless Know the honor, hold to the humility Be the valley of the world Being the valley of the world The eternal virtue shall be sufficient Return to the state of plain wood Plain wood splits, then becomes tools The sages utilize them And then become leaders Thus the greater whole is undivided Chapter 29 Those who wish to take the world and control it I see that they cannot succeed The world is a sacred instrument One cannot control it The one who controls it will fail The one who grasps it will lose Because all things: Either lead or follow Either blow hot or cold Either have strength or weakness Either have ownership or take by force Therefore the sage: Eliminates extremes Eliminates excess Eliminates arrogance Chapter 30 The one who uses the Tao to advise the ruler Does not dominate the world with soldiers Such methods tend to be returned The place where the troops camp Thistles and thorns grow Following the great army There must be an inauspicious year A good commander achieves result, then stops And does not dare to reach for domination Achieves result but does not brag Achieves result but does not flaunt Achieves result but is not arrogant Achieves result but only out of necessity Achieves result but does not dominate Things become strong and then get old This is called contrary to the Tao That which is contrary to the Tao soon ends Chapter 31 A strong military, a tool of misfortune All things detest it Therefore, those who possess the Tao avoid it Honorable gentlemen, while at home, value the left When deploying the military, value the right The military is a tool of misfortune Not the tool of honorable gentlemen When using it out of necessity Calm detachment should be above all Victorious but without glory Those who glorify Are delighting in the killing Those who delight in killing Cannot achieve their ambitions upon the world Auspicious events favor the left Inauspicious events favor the right The lieutenant general is positioned to the left The major general is positioned to the right We say that they are treated as if in a funeral Those who have been killed Should be mourned with sadness Victory in war should be treated as a funeral Chapter 32 The Tao, eternally nameless Its simplicity, although imperceptible Cannot be treated by the world as subservient If the sovereign can hold on to it All will follow by themselves Heaven and Earth, together in harmony Will rain sweet dew People will not need to force it; it will adjust by itself In the beginning, there were names Names came to exist everywhere One should know when to stop Knowing when to stop, thus avoiding danger The existence of the Tao in the world Is like streams in the valley into rivers and the ocean Chapter 33 Those who understand others are intelligent Those who understand themselves are enlightened Those who overcome others have strength Those who overcome themselves are powerful Those who know contentment are wealthy Those who proceed vigorously have willpower Those who do not lose their base endure Those who die but do not perish have longevity Tao Te Ching by Lao-tzu Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology PeopleNology PeopleTopia PeopleTopian [email protected] [email protected] (Sacred Books of the East, Vol 39) [1891] 81 Verses Tao Te Ching English Version Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology Nollijy University Mechanicsburg Pa 17055 Tao Te Ching Chapter 34 The great Tao is like a flood It can flow to the left or to the right The myriad things depend on it for life, but it never stops It achieves its work, but does not take credit It clothes and feeds myriad things, but does not rule over them Ever desiring nothing It can be named insignificant Myriad things return to it but it does not rule over them It can be named great Even in the end, it does not regard itself as great That is how it can achieve its greatness Chapter 35 Hold the great image All under heaven will come They come without harm, in harmonious peace Music and food, passing travelers stop The Tao that is spoken out of the mouth Is bland and without flavor Look at it, it cannot be seen Listen to it, it cannot be heard Use it, it cannot be exhausted Chapter 36 If one wishes to shrink it One must first expand it If one wishes to weaken it One must first strengthen it If one wishes to discard it One must first promote it If one wishes to seize it One must first give it This is called subtle clarity The soft and weak overcomes the tough and strong Fish cannot leave the depths The sharp instruments of the state Cannot be shown to the people Chapter 37 The Tao is constant in non-action Yet there is nothing it does not do If the sovereign can hold on to this All things shall transform themselves Transformed, yet wishing to achieve I shall restrain them with the simplicity of the nameless The simplicity of the nameless They shall be without desire Without desire, using stillness The world shall steady itself Te Ching Virtue Classic - Chapters 38 to 81 Chapter 38 High virtue is not virtuous Therefore it has virtue Low virtue never loses virtue Therefore it has no virtue High virtue takes no contrived action And acts without agenda Low virtue takes contrived action And acts with agenda High benevolence takes contrived action And acts without agenda High righteousness takes contrived action And acts with agenda High etiquette takes contrived action And upon encountering no response Uses arms to pull others Therefore, the Tao is lost, and then virtue Virtue is lost, and then benevolence Benevolence is lost, and then righteousness Righteousness is lost, and then etiquette Those who have etiquette are a thin shell of loyalty and sincerity And the beginning of chaos Those with foreknowledge Are the flowers of the Tao And the beginning of ignorance Therefore the great person: Abides in substance, and does not dwell on the thin shell Abides in the real, and does not dwell on the flower Thus they discard that and take this Chapter 39 Those that attained oneness since ancient times: The sky attained oneness and thus clarity The earth attained oneness and thus tranquility The gods attained oneness and thus divinity The valley attained oneness and thus abundance The myriad things attained oneness and thus life The rulers attained oneness and became the standard for the world These all emerged from oneness The sky, lacking clarity, would break apart The earth, lacking tranquility, would erupt The gods, lacking divinity, would vanish The valley, lacking abundance, would wither Myriad things, lacking life, would be extinct The rulers, lacking standard, would be toppled Therefore, the honored uses the lowly as basis The higher uses the lower as foundation Thus the rulers call themselves alone, bereft, and unworthy Is this not using the lowly as basis? Is it not so? Therefore, the ultimate honor is no honor Do not wish to be shiny like jade Be dull like rocks Chapter 40 The returning is the movement of the Tao The weak is the utilization of the Tao The myriad things of the world are born of being Being is born of non-being Chapter 41 Higher people hear of the Tao They diligently practice it Average people hear of the Tao They sometimes keep it and sometimes lose it Lower people hear of the Tao They laugh loudly at it If they do not laugh, it would not be the Tao Therefore a proverb has the following: The clear Tao appears unclear The advancing Tao appears to retreat The smooth Tao appears uneven High virtue appears like a valley Great integrity appears like disgrace Encompassing virtue appears insufficient Building virtue appears inactive True substance appears inconstant The great square has no corners The great vessel is late in completion The great music is imperceptible in sound The great image has no form The Tao is hidden and nameless Yet it is only the Tao That excels in giving and completing everything Chapter 42 Tao produces one One produces two Two produce three Three produce myriad things Myriad things, backed by yin and embracing yang Achieve harmony by integrating their energy What the people dislike Are alone, bereft, and unworthy But the rulers call themselves with these terms So with all things Appear to take loss but benefit Or receive benefit but lose What the ancients taught I will also teach The violent one cannot have a natural death I will use this as the principal of all teachings Chapter 43 The softest things of the world Override the hardest things of the world That which has no substance Enters into that which has no openings From this I know the benefits of unattached actions The teaching without words The benefits of actions without attachment Are rarely matched in the world Chapter 44 Fame or the self, which is dearer? The self or wealth, which is greater? Gain or loss, which is more painful? Thus excessive love must lead to great spending Excessive hoarding must lead to heavy loss Knowing contentment avoids disgrace Knowing when to stop avoids danger Thus one can endure indefinitely Chapter 45 Great perfection seems flawed Its function is without failure Great fullness seems empty Its function is without exhaustion Great straightness seems bent Great skill seems unrefined Great eloquence seems inarticulate Movement overcomes cold Stillness overcomes heat Clear quietness is the standard of the world Tao Te Ching by Lao-tzu Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology PeopleNology PeopleTopia PeopleTopian [email protected] [email protected] (Sacred Books of the East, Vol 39) [1891] 81 Verses Tao Te Ching English Version Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology Nollijy University Mechanicsburg Pa 17055 Tao Te Ching Chapter 46 When the world has the Tao Fast horses are retired to till the soil When the world lacks the Tao Warhorses give birth on the battlefield There is no crime greater than greed No disaster greater than discontentment No fault greater than avarice Thus the satisfaction of contentment is the lasting satisfaction Chapter 47 Without going out the door, know the world Without peering out the window, see the Heavenly Tao The further one goes The less one knows Therefore the sage Knows without going Names without seeing Achieves without striving Chapter 48 Pursue knowledge, daily gain Pursue Tao, daily loss Loss and more loss Until one reaches unattached action With unattached action, there is nothing one cannot do Take the world by constantly applying non-interference The one who interferes is not qualified to take the world Chapter 49 The sages have no constant mind They take the mind of the people as their mind Those who are good, I am good to them Those who are not good, I am also good to them Thus the virtue of goodness Those who believe, I believe them Those who do not believe, I also believe them Thus the virtue of belief The sages live in the world They cautiously merge their mind for the world The people all pay attention with their ears and eyes The sages care for them as children Chapter 50 Coming into life, entering death The followers of life, three in ten The followers of death, three in ten Those whose lives are moved toward death Also three in ten Why? Because they live lives of excess I've heard of those who are good at cultivating life Traveling on the road, they do not encounter rhinos or tigers Entering into an army, they are not harmed by weapons Rhinos have nowhere to thrust their horns Tigers have nowhere to clasp their claws Soldiers have nowhere to lodge their blades Why? Because they have no place for death Chapter 51 Tao produces them Virtue raises them Things shape them Forces perfect them Therefore all things respect the Tao and value virtue The respect for Tao, the value of virtue Not due to command but to constant nature Thus Tao produces them Virtue raises them Grows them, educates them Perfects them, matures them Nurtures them, protects them Produces but does not possess Acts but does not flaunt Nurtures but does not dominate This is called Mystic Virtue Chapter 52 The world has a beginning We regard it as the mother of the world Having its mother We can know her children Knowing her children Still holding on to the mother Live without danger all through life Close the mouth Shut the doors Live without toil all through life Open the mouth Meddle in the affairs Live without salvation all through life Seeing details is called clarity Holding on to the soft is called strength Utilize the light Return to the clarity Leaving no disasters for the self This is called practicing constancy Chapter 53 If I have a little knowledge Walking on the great Tao I fear only to deviate from it The great Tao is broad and plain But people like the side paths The courts are corrupt The fields are barren The warehouses are empty Officials wear fineries Carry sharp swords Fill up on drinks and food Acquire excessive wealth This is called robbery It is not the Tao! Chapter 54 That which is well established cannot be uprooted That which is strongly held cannot be taken The descendants will commemorate it forever Cultivate it in yourself; its virtue shall be true Cultivate it in the family; its virtue shall be abundant Cultivate it in the community; its virtue shall be lasting Cultivate it in the country; its virtue shall be prosperous Cultivate it in the world; its virtue shall be widespread Therefore observe others with yourself Observe other families with your family Observe other communities with your community Observe other countries with your country Observe the world with the world With what do I know the world? With this Chapter 55 Those who hold an abundance of virtue Are similar to newborn infants Poisonous insects do not sting them Wild beasts do not claw them Birds of prey do not attack them Their bones are weak, tendons are soft But their grasp is firm They do not know of sexual union but can manifest arousal Due to the optimum of essence They can cry the whole day and yet not be hoarse Due to the optimum of harmony Knowing harmony is said to be constancy Knowing constancy is said to be clarity Excessive vitality is said to be inauspicious Mind overusing energy is said to be aggressive Things become strong and then grow old This is called contrary to the Tao That which is contrary to the Tao will soon perish Chapter 56 Those who know do not talk Those who talk do not know Close the mouth Shut the doors Blunt the sharpness Unravel the knots Dim the glare Mix the dust This is called Mystic Oneness They cannot obtain this and be closer They cannot obtain this and be distant They cannot obtain this and be benefited They cannot obtain this and be harmed They cannot obtain this and be valued They cannot obtain this and be degraded Therefore, they become honored by the world Chapter 57 Govern a country with upright integrity Deploy the military with surprise tactics Take the world with non-interference How do I know this is so? With the following: When there are many restrictions in the world The people become more impoverished When people have many sharp weapons The country becomes more chaotic When people have many clever tricks More strange things occur The more laws are posted The more robbers and thieves there are Therefore the sage says: I take unattached action, and the people transform themselves I prefer quiet, and the people right themselves I do not interfere, and the people enrich themselves I have no desires, and the people simplify themselves Chapter 58 When governing is lackluster The people are simple and honest When governing is scrutinizing The people are shrewd and crafty Misfortune is what fortune depends upon Fortune is where misfortune hides beneath Who knows their ultimate end? They have no determined outcome Rightness reverts to become strange Goodness reverts to become wicked The confusion of people has lasted many long days Therefore the sages are: Righteous without being scathing Incorruptible without being piercing Straightforward without being ruthless Illuminated without being flashy Chapter 59 In governing people and serving Heaven There is nothing like conservation Only with conservation is it called submitting early Submitting early is called emphasis on accumulating virtues Accumulating virtues means there is nothing one cannot overcome When there is nothing that one cannot overcome One's limits are unknown The limitations being unknown, one can possess sovereignty With this mother principle of power, one can be everlasting This is called deep roots and firm foundation The Tao of longevity and lasting vision Chapter 60 Ruling a large country is like cooking a small fish Using the Tao to manage the world Its demons have no power Not only do its demons have no power Its gods do not harm people Not only do its gods not harm people The sages also do not harm people They both do no harm to one another So virtue merges and returns Tao Te Ching by Lao-tzu Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology PeopleNology PeopleTopia PeopleTopian [email protected] [email protected] (Sacred Books of the East, Vol 39) [1891] 81 Verses Tao Te Ching English Version Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology Nollijy University Mechanicsburg Pa 17055 Tao Te Ching Chapter 61 The large country is like the lowest river The converging point of the world The receptive female of the world The female always overcomes the male with serenity Using serenity as the lower position Thus if the large country is lower than the small country Then it can take the small country If the small country is lower than the large country Then it can be taken by the large country Thus one uses the lower position to take The other uses the lower position to be taken The large country only wishes to gather and protect people The small country only wishes to join and serve people So that both obtain what they wish The larger one should assume the lower position Chapter 62 The Tao is the wonder of all things The treasure of the kind person The protection of the unkind person Admirable words can win the public's respect Admirable actions can improve people Those who are unkind How can they be abandoned? Therefore, when crowning the Emperor And installing the three ministers Although there is the offering of jade before four horses None of it can compare to being seated in this Tao Why did the ancients value this Tao so much? Is it not said that those who seek will find, And those with guilt will not be faulted? Therefore, it is the greatest value in the world Chapter 63 Act without action Manage without meddling Taste without tasting Great, small, many, few Respond to hatred with virtue Plan difficult tasks through the simplest tasks Achieve large tasks through the smallest tasks The difficult tasks of the world Must be handled through the simple tasks The large tasks of the world Must be handled through the small tasks Therefore, sages never attempt great deeds all through life Thus they can achieve greatness One who makes promises lightly must deserve little trust One who sees many easy tasks must encounter much difficulty Therefore, sages regard things as difficult So they never encounter difficulties all through life Chapter 64 When it is peaceful, it is easy to maintain When it shows no signs, it is easy to plan When it is fragile, it is easy to break When it is small, it is easy to scatter Act on it when it has not yet begun Treat it when it is not yet chaotic A tree thick enough to embrace Grows from the tiny sapling A tower of nine levels Starts from the dirt heap A journey of a thousand miles Begins beneath the feet The one who meddles will fail The one who grasps will lose Therefore, sages do not meddle and thus do not fail They do not grasp and thus do not lose People, in handling affairs Often come close to completion and fail If they are as careful in the end as the beginning Then they would have no failure Therefore, sages desire not to desire They do not value goods that are hard to acquire They learn to unlearn To redeem the fault of the people To assist the nature of all things Without daring to meddle Chapter 65 Those of ancient times who were adept at the Tao Used it not to make people brighter But to keep them simple The difficulty in governing people Is due their excessive cleverness Therefore, using cleverness to govern the state Is being a thief of the state Not using cleverness to govern the state Is being a blessing of the state Know that these two are both standards Always knowing these standards Is called Mystic Virtue Mystic Virtue: Profound! Far-reaching! It goes opposite to material things Then it reaches great congruence Chapter 66 Rivers and oceans can be the kings of a hundred valleys Because of their goodness in staying low So they can be the kings of a hundred valleys Thus if sages wish to be over people They must speak humbly to them If they wish to be in front of people They must place themselves behind them Thus the sages are positioned above But the people do not feel burdened They are positioned in front But the people do not feel harmed Thus the world is glad to push them forward without resentment Because they do not contend So the world cannot contend with them Chapter 67 Everyone in the world calls my Tao great As if it is beyond compare It is only because of its greatness That it seems beyond compare If it can be compared It would already be insignificant long ago! I have three treasures I hold on to them and protect them The first is called compassion The second is called conservation The third is called not daring to be ahead in the world Compassionate, thus able to have courage Conserving, thus able to reach widely Not daring to be ahead in the world Thus able to assume leadership Now if one has courage but discards compassion Reaches widely but discards conservation Goes ahead but discards being behind Then death! If one fights with compassion, then victory With defense, then security Heaven shall save them And with compassion guard them Chapter 68 The great generals are not warlike The great warriors do not get angry Those who are good at defeating enemies do not engage them Those who are good at managing people lower themselves It is called the virtue of non-contention It is called the power of managing people It is called being harmonious with Heaven The ultimate principle of the ancients Chapter 69 In using the military, there is a saying: I dare not be the host, but prefer to be the guest I dare not advance an inch, but prefer to withdraw a foot This is called marching in formation without formation Raising arms without arms Grappling enemies without enemies Holding weapons without weapons There is no greater disaster than to underestimate the enemy Underestimating the enemy almost made me lose my treasures So when evenly matched armies meet The side that is compassionate shall win Chapter 70 My words are easy to understand, easy to practice The world cannot understand, cannot practice My words have basis My actions have principle People do not understand this Therefore they do not understand me Those who understand me are few Thus I am highly valued Therefore the sage wears plain clothes but holds jade Chapter 71 To know that you do not know is highest To not know but think you know is flawed Only when one recognizes the fault as a fault can one be without fault The sages are without fault Because they recognize the fault as a fault That is why they are without fault Tao Te Ching by Lao-tzu Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology PeopleNology PeopleTopia PeopleTopian [email protected] [email protected] (Sacred Books of the East, Vol 39) [1891] 81 Verses Tao Te Ching English Version Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology Nollijy University Mechanicsburg Pa 17055 Tao Te Ching Chapter 72 When people no longer fear force They bring about greater force Do not limit their place Do not reject their livelihood Because the ruler does not reject them Therefore they do not reject the ruler Therefore the sages: Know themselves but do not glorify themselves Respect themselves but do not praise themselves Thus they discard that and take this Chapter 73 The bold in daring will be killed The bold in not daring will survive Of these two, one may benefit, the other may harm The one hated by Heaven – who knows the reason? Even the sages still find this difficult The Tao of Heaven: Does not contend and yet excels in winning Does not speak and yet excels in responding Is not summoned and yet comes on its own Is unhurried and yet excels in planning The heavenly net is vast Loose, and yet does not let anything slip through Chapter 74 People do not fear death How can they be threatened with death? If people are made to constantly fear death Then those who act unlawfully I can capture and kill them Who would dare? There exists a master executioner that kills If we substitute for the master executioner to kill It is like substituting for the great carpenter to cut Those who substitute for the great carpenter to cut It is rare that they do not hurt their own hands Chapter 75 The people's hunger Is due to the excess of their ruler's taxation So they starve The people's difficulty in being governed Is due to the meddling of their ruler So they are difficult to govern The people's disregard for death Is due to the glut in their ruler's pursuit of life So they disregard death Therefore those who do not strive for living Are better than those who value living Chapter 76 While alive, the body is soft and pliant When dead, it is hard and rigid All living things, grass and trees, While alive, are soft and supple When dead, become dry and brittle Thus that which is hard and stiff is the follower of death That which is soft and yielding is the follower of life Therefore, an inflexible army will not win A strong tree will be cut down The big and forceful occupy a lowly position While the soft and pliant occupy a higher place Chapter 77 The Tao of Heaven Is like drawing a bow Lower that which is high Raise that which is low Reduce that which has excess Add to that which is lacking The Tao of heaven Reduces the excessive And adds to the lacking The Tao of people is not so It reduces the lacking In order to offer to the excessive Who can offer their excess to the world? Only those who have the Tao Therefore sages act without conceit Achieve without claiming credit They do not wish to display their virtue! Chapter 78 Nothing in the world is softer or weaker than water Yet nothing is better at overcoming the hard and strong This is because nothing can replace it That the weak overcomes the strong And the soft overcomes the hard Everybody in the world knows But cannot put into practice Therefore sages say: The one who accepts the humiliation of the state Is called its master The one who accepts the misfortune of the state Becomes king of the world The truth seems like the opposite Chapter 79 After settling a great dispute There must be remaining resentments How can this be considered good? Therefore the sage holds the left part of the contract But does not demand payment from the other person Those who have virtue hold the contract Those without virtue hold the collections The Heavenly Tao has no favorites It constantly gives to the kind people Chapter 80 Small country, few people Let them have many weapons but not use them Let the people regard death seriously And not migrate far away Although they have boats and chariots They have no need to take them Although they have armors and weapons They have no need to display them Let the people return to tying knots and using them Savor their food, admire their clothes Content in their homes, happy in their customs Neighboring countries see one another Hear the sounds of roosters and dogs from one another The people, until they grow old and die Do not go back and forth with one another Chapter 81 True words are not beautiful Beautiful words are not true Those who are good do not debate Those who debate are not good Those who know are not broad of knowledge Those who are broad of knowledge do not know Sages do not accumulate The more they assist others, the more they possess The more they give to others, the more they gain The Tao of heaven Benefits and does not harm The Tao of sages Assists and does not contend Tao Te Ching by Lao-tzu Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology PeopleNology PeopleTopia PeopleTopian [email protected] [email protected] (Sacred Books of the East, Vol 39) [1891] 81 Verses Tao Te Ching English Version Gregory Bodenhamer PeopleNology Nollijy University Mechanicsburg Pa 17055 Tao Te Ching Share this post Link to post Share on other sites