San Pedro or Scop, or other?

[XipeTotec]

Hi, looking for a positive ID on this cacti,any help is appreciated, regards, Shroomytoonos,

[bit]

Pachanoi I think, scop doesn't have the waxy dotty skin texture

[Fugushi]

It looks like a scop.

The next to non-existant spines, dark green colour and club like growth are all scop qualities I have seen.

The one in the background looks a bit darker and also a scop.

[XipeTotec]

It looks like a scop.

The next to non-existant spines, dark green colour and club like growth are all scop qualities I have seen.

The one in the background looks a bit darker and also a scop.

yeah, one in background came with a scop label

[bit]

Here's some images to back up my belief it's pachanoi:

Pachanoi Tip:

Pachanoi Spination (note the skin texture!):

Scopulicola spination:

Closeup socp spine, again note skin texture:

(yes I have nothing better to do today!)

Edited January 7, 2007 by bit

[apothecary]

pachanoi

[strangebrew]

Aussie scopulicola - it seems a bit different to O.S. clones,

and bit, NZ may not have the common pachanoi clone that is everywhere else.

[MORG]

Nice, Bit!

You've got some serious macro there. They are some great photos.

I concur with pachanoi

[SaBReT00tH]

Could it be a Pachanoi scop hybrid???

[XipeTotec]

Could it be a Pachanoi scop hybrid???

i must point out, that I used a flash for my photos, so they may appear glaucous, while it may not be(raining today, so hard to tell) not sure if this makes a difference to your ID, regards

[mr b.caapi]

its got to be a hybrid...surely...........???........

Edited January 7, 2007 by mr b.caapi

[strangebrew]

Feel the texture of the plant low down shroomyt, that'll tell you. Rough or smooth?

[bit]

Aussie scopulicola - it seems a bit different to O.S. clones,

and bit, NZ may not have the common pachanoi clone that is everywhere else.

I completely agree. I would like to see some closeups of said Aussie Scop for comparison - sounds like it is a deeper green over there among other things.

As for the NZ pachanoi - definitely haven't seen/don't own any of the backenberg (sp?) clone myself. Starting to believe all my pachanoi may be juuls, although they each have distinctive characteristics.

Nice, Bit!

You've got some serious macro there. They are some great photos.

I concur with pachanoi

Thanks - they aught to be decent given what I have spent on the camera!

Edited January 8, 2007 by bit

[XipeTotec]

Feel the texture of the plant low down shroomyt, that'll tell you. Rough or smooth?

Yeah, this does seems smooth compared to the SCOP that I have, which seemed to be slightly bumpy or rough. Is that an effective method to ID between the 2? I have heard that the only indication that scop is active is through bioassay, does anyone know of any research? I am led to believe the fruit of scop is edible, is this true? is it nice? regards, Shroomytoonos

[M S Smith]

Looks like your standard Trichocereus scopulicola...uh, I mean Echinopsis scopulicola..to me.

Bit, a couple of the main differences between shroomytoonos' plant and your pachanoi is that the pachanoi has much more rounded ribs, a fold at the growth point which later becomes a transverse depression (V-notch), and the smooth texture of the skin. The scops rougher skin is less prevalent on the newest growth and really shows itself with age. Color and glaucescence also play into the differences, but are truly not even needed to tell the two plants apart. Notice how the scop has very angular ribs from the inner creases to the areole tips when viewed from above. This is less prevalent on the pachanoi when viewed from above, in fact the pachanoi ribs are much more rounded. The scop also lacks the furrow at the growth tips.

And just a note, I think the photo of T. pachanoi provided by bit is in fact the true form of T. pachanoi (sometimes improperly referred to as the "short spine T. peruvianus") and that the so-called "Backeberg clone" is a T. pachanoi look alike and imposter probably closer in relation to T. bridgesii and T. scopulicola. The so-called "Backeberg clone" carries quite a few features in common with T. scopulicola and T. bridgesii, both of these being from Bolivia. Interestingly enough I sent a picture of this "Backeberg clone" to cactus hobbiest in Sucre and he said it looked to him like T. bridgesii.

~Michael~