Thanks for all the replies. Not sure if people have noticed that I started this thread a year ago? I do however have a packet of lutea seeds around the house somewhere still ( If I find them I'll PM you Erraneous & you can have them due to being the first to express interest. I don't want anything in return as they are at least a year old). Tribulus seeds were excess that I had purchased from www.beautanicals.com.au listed as caltrop. Sassafras seeds I bought in quantity from ebay member leaves of the yggdrasil who I think might actually be a member here at SAB. I have tried a multitude of different ways to germinate these including GA3 & 120 days stratification. But to no avail. The lutea seeds also came from this ebayer which I did get to sprout however they were killed in cyclone Yasi. As for Heimia I only have a couple of plants that survived the cyclone. Basically because of that prick Yasi I pretty much had to start over. I also have some rivea seeds left but these have been going out pretty fast lately. sorry to disappoint you all.