Amazing post! Exactly what im looking for, thank you PH is out there somewhere, thanks for having put that up on the boards Also endorfinder, im glad youre getting new growth, I hope they continue to show good results, thanks for the info also, ill see how I go with a mix like that In regards to my cuts, I have 1 NL cut and 1 VW cut, that are both definately either juvenile growth, or suckers. I didnt pay too much attention, though I saw they were taken from the bottom of the plant, so the gentleman I acquired these from was luckily on the ball to have done so Thanks again, much appreciated! QR