shonman Posted September 7, 2017 Photos of rooted cuttings : 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darklight Posted September 7, 2017 Thanks mate, am impressed again by your ability to log and share your data. Many thanks! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shonman Posted September 8, 2017 Thanks Darklight and friends! you are my inspiration ! ( cough cough !!) will be posting photos as I go along . these are said to be from Terrence Mckennas collection..... next pix will show new growth I am looking at cloning from..... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MountainGoat Posted September 9, 2017 Hey @shonman, how difficult is it to propagate? Ive spoken with people that have it (in Peru) and they claimed it was difficult... I find that hard to believe, I would have thought it would strike readily from cuttings if cared for... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shonman Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) The new growth . I accidentally fried the last new growth in sun . tips, tops closeup . i also wonder ... can it be cloned from a leaf as some have done rooting caapi and many have done with viridis and friends ?? Edited September 11, 2017 by shonman 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted September 10, 2017 I'll bet it can being a riverine habit lover ... try some in an aeroponic pod ? ... defo works for caapi and is quite repeatable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shonman Posted September 12, 2017 Re: difficult to propagate.... maybe not difficult per se but VERY SLOW using conventional methods Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) lol tell me about it .. the long game is defo an indispensable skill set for husbandry .. I still reckon it might beat propogating T' validus head to head if any consolation maybe get some other things on the go to fill the wait with where applicable? What else is really cool that grows near it? to use the "usually more mushrooms hiding close by when ya find one" method might be fun if poss.. may also be good to see what else liked growing in those conditions side by side if ID'able and maybe some temp and humidity readings if poss , even if just in the prop setups although if aeroponic I guess there won't be much variation from 90-100% humidity and ya know,... anything you can think of of the kind of things you might wish you had done in hindsight/retrospect lol Edited September 12, 2017 by ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shonman Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) I am not going to provide every detail , but will show someone as I go along working on propagating this plant .... first, set it up in a more sheltered environment work on disinfecting it, while getting some new growth to work with... placing a few of them inside an aquarium with a plexiglass cover . %@;*~!! The image is upside down !! Edited September 29, 2017 by shonman 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shonman Posted September 29, 2017 Ok hope these are the right way up.,, some new growth on these same plants that I am disinfecting man these lookupside down too maybe I will edit later in photoshop .... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted September 29, 2017 Would be well proud mate and I'll bet they're awesome mates to while away the hours with too odd the picture inversion , the image links are the right way up if viewed directly but not the thumbnail or photo viewer.. and if linked they invert upside down , ...strange but either way a right click and view image takes the url of the image and displays it upright if you have that function on your browser. Love that tank shot and will be a choice historical image imagining ahead Top stuffs Shonman! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted September 30, 2017 i read it somewhere on this forum but forgot where : the SABber said crop a tiny piece off the image and it makes it the right way up .. if that makes any sense? (i dnno how to do that but some memories I have actually work i guess) maybe it's an option on the .. ooh i almost remembered who the sabber was .. nope its gone.. - ... option on the phone as opposed to pc ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shonman Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) I went ahead and placed more D Cabrerana into the aquarium. it has a plexiglass cover over the opening. the new growth is responding well, will post a pic soon. new growth is super sensitive.....slight changes in environment can fry it quickly. like, increased wind, or sun , or less humidity. i have had an idea, of creating disinfected little terrarium worlds where ethno plants could be grown out with some cool tiki statues, crystals and various artistic as well as required practical elements... for example, a small Ps Viridis bonsai type thing, with small statue of an Inca/Aztec temple, a few stones m maybe some small figurines... also, sort of large bonsai of different varieties of ethno plants/ trees.... Many people think of our relationship with domesticated animals. .....our relationship with plants....is also very extensive. to the point where it has been said that some plants even stop bothering to replicate themselves sort of counting on people to do it. Like some sort of giant pollinator...human insect thing that the plant counts on and lures in with its special qualities. It almost seems like some specimens of cacti, like T. Pachanoi, in some cases.. appear to have been selected by people through time...to have less spines. But I digress... Edited October 8, 2017 by shonman 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shonman Posted October 9, 2017 A lot of the new growth seemed to dry up and shrivel in the big aquarium not sure why now I regret putting all the plants in there.. took 2/3 out . i had overwatered a bit and it is 90f+ hot in the grow area ... what might cause this to happen ? there is plenty of humidity . i wonder if insects sucked the new growth dry or ? See next post about that ... what do you think ? here is an example of how the new growth died... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shonman Posted October 9, 2017 The leaves seem to have small holes in them with little drops of liquid on the underside . these have been on the plants ever since I got them ... what do you think causes this?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted October 9, 2017 wierd I wonder if it's some sort of bug hatching or using the plant as a host in some way... never seen anything quite like that before but the closest thing I could imagine it to be is some sort of scale? do they come off? and are the drips squishable(killable)? ..probably need to call in the super SABbers with the years n experience under their belt I reckon. .. or someone from the area the plant's from that might be able to recognize it and say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted October 9, 2017 maybe it likes bigger air?, or .. some airflow more than it would like some humidity? It's really annoying tryna figure out the why's but experience will probably crack the nut for you after some time.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darklight Posted October 9, 2017 2 hours ago, shonman said: A lot of the new growth seemed to dry up and shrivel in the big aquarium not sure why now I regret putting all the plants in there.. No idea about yr prob, sorry. I'd suspect bacterial, because of increased humidity and reduced air flow, but can't be sure I'm 100%. Is a good lesson to learn- when changing any parameter, keep some material back in it's original place. Always. Not only does it mean you have reserve material, but the remaining group acts as a control so you can compare. I'm not being unsympathetic at all- I recognise the temptation for a quick fix/ progress, and it's one I've succumbed to occasionally myself with the same results :/ Goodonya for staying on top of it and making sure your babies didn't suffer too much for too long 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted October 9, 2017 Sorry i forget the technical term amd cant really see, you could see better in person...does it look like the plant took up too much water, exploding parts of the leaf membrane? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ThunderIdeal Posted October 9, 2017 3 hours ago, ☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ said: ..probably need to call in the super SABbers with the years n experience under their belt I reckon. .. Yeah hey. Somebody help this guy! My money is on bacteria too or some type of damage caused by water sitting on the leaves (water with some contaminant). it seems very localised to those spots which probably were water drops? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sallubrious Posted October 10, 2017 It does look like some sort of bacterial infection, which can sometimes be secondary to a pest attack. I'd put a few leaves in a sealed ziplock bag and see if anything hatches out so you can identify it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shonman Posted October 10, 2017 Ok , I have a clue about the holes in the leaves! seems to be water related ...a friend said : " It appears to be simple Oedema. The rupturing of plant cells due to irregular water up take. It is a physiological condition. Often it is caused by either over or under watering. Soil that is too moisture holding can cause it. Because of our rain here I use high porosity mixes and do not usually get much of this. Here is a link to U Missouri Oedema Oedema " 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
☽Ţ ҉ĥϋηϠ₡яღ☯ॐ€ðяئॐ♡Pϟiℓℴϟℴ Posted October 10, 2017 add perlite? [a la pinkoid when Psychotria soil key smashed] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Torsten Posted October 14, 2017 Not to be a downer, but I know a lot of people who THINK they have D.c., but only two who actually do. Even McKenna's vine is the wrong species. And so are the two species sent out by everyone's favourite seed/plant source in Peru. And the shipment of rooted cuttings that made it into the USA a few years ago and should be on the market by now. One good botanist I know even thinks that the D.c. that the papers were written about isn't D.c. Yeah, LOL. I am not good enough at IDing it, so can't be sure about this one, but will find out. Nonetheless, the many so called D.c.'s I've obtained over the years are all interesting plants. Some possibly even more interesting than D.c. itself. So even if this one is another misID, it will probably be worthwhile growing it anyway. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
