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"Paradeyes" is a short-spined peruvianus or long-spined pachanoi that I took the liberty of naming after mating it with Psycho0.. Zelly I think I might have given you a small plant of this a ways back - it was a little midcut with some pups coming out of it.. I originally got it from Mitosis - it came highly recommended..

Updates on the 2009 TPM x SS02 crosses - I have 3 of these seedlings myself at this point.. Coming along nicely TPM x SS02 v. "Aldous" - here's a side-by-side shot of the mother plant on the left, and then a section grafted to pachanoi that has just exploded - I grafted that thing last summer as a little button and this is what has happened - interesting to to note that the mother plant started out as one of those tight/micro type crests where there's lots of little ribs - vs the other main type that has larger but fewer ribs - once grafted it went tp the larger ribbed crest type.. TPM x SS02 v. "Doppelganger" - this one started out monstrosus and has since reverted to normal growth though is also "dichotomous ramisomethingorother" (MS Smith knows the term I'm sure) TPM x SS02 v. "HPPD" ;) And here's the proud mamma (and father lol) itself - TPM.. My variety goes into regular growth and then back to monstrose - so I suspect a lot of the seedlings that we're growing that started out freakish and then went normal will revert to monstrosus at times as well - the Psycho0 x TPM cross in particular has a bunch that started out monstrose for me and then went normal.. I am not sure if the TPM I have is the same as the one that Mutant over in Spain posts pics of, or if it's the same one that Sacred Succulents grows, or the same as Zelly and whoever else has - I purchased my TPM way back in 2001 or so at a small cactus nursery in southern california that has long since been out of business - if we determine that these TPM's are not all the same clone then I may name the one I have so as to distinguish the crosses from it from other crosses that may occur with TPMs in the future.. At the same time though of course I don't want to name it if it is the same TPM as all the others - lol, so for now it's just TPM -- Roseii #1 open pollinated - lots of variegated types in this cross - in fact, of what I sowed, 95% or so were short-lived variegated mutants - I saved a few by grafting - this one though is relatively normal except that is terminates ala the macro v. "sausage" (was that plant growing at the same place the roseii was - this seed was from a plant at the Fields farm I believe - this seedling looks kinda like a macro v. "sausage" to me overall).. It also put out areoles in between ribs rather than on the ridge of the rib - check the second photo for that - it was furrier too - used to have this areole fuzz growing all over the space between the rib.. The cactus is wet in this pic - the skin isn't usually shiny like that.. And here's a variegated Roseii #1 open pollinated - not looking so good at the moment - some neglect involved..

Aw try at least one or two! Cactus growing isn't for impatient people, but grafting does allow more of an instant gratification experience.. It's so awesome to see them grow quick like that - and they can be grafted at any stage of growth.. Having them grow up only on their own roots is beautiful to watch also though - here's the TPC x Juules etc that I left on their own - they are really growing well now, as our summer begins in the northern hemisphere.. And some other gratuitous cactus porn shots - TPQC x TPM, then TPM x (SS02 x pachanoi) and then the third one is a TPQC x TPM as well, which started out mutant, which is why I grafted it, but has now reverted to a normal growth that I really like - really notchy on the ribs, I imagine this will be an epic looking cactus when fully grown.. Lol, I just got my Canon Powershot S90 working again, so I'm on a bit of a photo spree - I had lost the battery charger, and so I've just been using pics from my phone camera till this past week or so when I went and bought a new charger - definitely nicer pics with the S90..

Yea that T. shaferi is awesome - never heard of it either.. On the topic, does anyone know how they determined that TBM is actually a bridgesii and not another species? I'm wondering because you'd think you'd see that phenotype coming up in the crosses that were made with the TPM/TPC etc - but it has not thus far..

Did you post a pic of that purported Psycho0 in another thread also djmatt? If so I recall thinking that it didn't look like psycho0 also, but the spines looked to have been trimmed or broken a bit so I couldn't be sure.. The mother plant pic posted above is definitely a psycho0 it's a very distinct variety when it's growing well - I can spot it immediately..

What appears to be a monstrose SS02 x Lumberjackus seedling.. The Lumberjackus itself sometimes goes a little monstrose, as columns first form.. The initial cutting of Lumberjackus I received way back in the day had a full-on wise old earth gnome face in it - see the pic below the seedling - that pic is from years ago, but the face remains since I've never pruned it back down below that

Psycho0 x N1 on the left, and SS02 x Lumberjackus (Mel/vin's cross) on the right - these bridgesii x bridgesii crosses look quite different from each other.. I think I'm partial to the SS02 x Lumberjackus cross so far I have to admit.. A fast growing Psycho0 x N1 - this one looks very much like a baby Psycho0 so far, in terms of the color: Another Mel/vin cross - T. bridgesii v. Lumberjackus x T. macrogonus/peruvianus v "Icaros" - I love the color on these - pic doesn't quite capture the beautiful dark green/dark blue thing they have going - this hybrid has grown a bit slower than my others, but I'm starting to adore the way they look..

Stopped by a friend's place recently to have dinner and check on the cacti he's babysitting for me - they are doing so well in his yard - this is my bridgesii v "Psycho0" and the second one is my bridgesii v "KGC" - and the third pic shows psycho0 foreground and KGC in relief. The KGC is really fickle - it is a badass bridgesii but it stalls out a lot in terms of growth, and generally grows pretty thin - reminds me of the "Baker" clone in terms of growth habit.. Anyhow, it has exploded with growth this spring which I'm delighted about - hadn't grown at all in like 3 years after I planted it in that huge pot.. The color difference is really dramatic between these two - they are growing right next to each other so same enviro - psycho0 has that dark green/blue and KGC has got the aquamarine thing going - love them both.. URL]

I'm seeing a bridgesii there as well. Could be a huanucoensis though also - there are actually several different varieties of huanucoensis, most people don't know that.. Lol though you know what would be funny is to list a cutting of that on ebay for $149.00 dollars as a "huanucoensis" - undercut that sorry little shyster by $1.00 and see if anybody notices the joke.. Nah for real though that's an interesting looking plant - I'd call it bridgesii but it does have a sort of peruvianus look to it..

Lol that would be hilarious if SS started passing off PC pachanoi as GF and other varieties..

I had a seedling years back from SS - it had a long central spine on it.. Extraordinarily "slimy" cactus inside I remember..

Not sure about them being PC pachanoi either..

Hahaha, oops!

I believe those are PC pach.. But I dig what you're saying otherwise

I'm now pretty sure that Altmans is indeed the same clone as my "TPQC, which in the Connoisseur Hybrids 2012" thread I just describe as a "non-PC pachanoi type." I found the "TPQC" about 10 years ago at the nursery in a local Target - at the time I recall thinking that it was an unusual find because here in the USA the hardware stores carry pretty much exclusively PC pachanoi.. So I snapped the thing up and have been growing it ever since.. It is a beautiful plant, generally vigorous, and gets quite fat.. Zelly planted a cutting off my TPQC clone in his yard as well - he planted it just a few years back but that thing is spectacular, it's like 10 feet tall - Zelly bro if you're reading this maybe post up a pic of yours to dazzle the folks here! If it is indeed a species different than a pachanoi - be it macrogonus or huanucoensis or whatever I'm open to renaming it - it looks basically pachanoi to me - if you look at the pachanoi types from Peru, there are all sorts of them that have these intermediate length spines and so forth and a generally sort of peruvianus/macrogonus look - this one seems to be on that continuum somewhere.. But again, I am no expert by any stretch on trichocereus identification.. Lol, what would people prefer it be? Since a bunch of us are growing seedlings from it we have a vested interest in it being something super awesome and exotic ;) I'll think of it as a pachanoi though till we get a strong census that we should change it to something else -I'd like that we can ID it as accurately as possible since it's in a whole bunch of seedlings.. Here's a couple other pics of mine.. Those flowers there are the one's that produced the TPQC x TPM and N1 x TPQC crosses. The last pic is a N1 x TPQC seedling.

So please explain why you are misrepresenting cacti on ebay? Of course that pisses people off - If you can't look at your part in this then you are either very young indeed, or are just really immature... You have no idea if that's a huanucoensis or not - what happens if it's a pachanoi (which is what it looks like to me) and the buyer starts crossing it with other trichos and calling them "huanucoensis x bridgesii" or whatever? Now we have thousands of mislabeled hybrid trichos, which will then be crossed with other trichos, and so on - all so you could make a quick buck on ebay..

Sure enough, he's trying to pass that pachanoid clone off as a huanucoensis and charging $150 for it on ebay.. Unbelievable.. spinyGator dude that's some bad juju you're bringing to the table - you're shamelessly exploiting sacred cacti and intentionally misleading people in the process - somebody needs to tune you up..

Are you serious?? This dude is now selling that clone as "huanacoensis" on ebay - fresh off being lectured about inappropriately doing that with the clone he thought might have been Lumberjackus??? You've got to be kidding me.. I vote that we run a poll on how old people think spinyGator is - winner gets a free cutting of one of his mislabeled trichos.. I'm guessing 17..

The question of which type of genetics are involved in which traits is a good question to study. I can't recall the correct terminology, but basically, when genetics from a mother and father mix, the results can either be "combinative" or "binary" - some genes combine and some are "either/or" - with humans and blue eyes vs brown eyes, for instance, you get either/or - whereas with height, it can be a mix of the mother and the father. With cacti, I'm not sure which are which - looks like with the mutants though, it's either/or, and a lot of times with spination, it's "either/or"/"binary".. The crosses with the TPM or TPC as father show mutant offspring at about a 25% rate vs about a 50% rate when the TPM or TPC is mother. With the SS01 x TPM cross, my comrade Mel/vin did the pollinating, and he said that the other 10 other SS01 flowers he hit with the TPM pollen failed - he also said there was some risk of open-pollinating - and so I was never that confident in the cross, and only sent it w caveat to a very small number of people.. I did not sow any myself.. I also do not have a clear answer to the question of whether or not more than one father can pollinate a single flower - some people have reported mutants from the SS01 x TPM cross, though they seem to happen rarely enough that it could be attributable to the random mutants that arise from crosses of many sorts - or perhaps some of that SS01 flower took the TPM pollen while most of it had another father..

Yea the one I have didn't have any crested in it either for years - I think it developed the trait due to snail attack rather than genetics - which is why I term it the "Quasi-Cristata" - the N1 x TPQC cross has so far not turned up any mutants either, which leads me feel more confident in the snail-attack explanation - though they are gorgeous little phenos in their own right..

The second one down, which you call huanacoensis, looks very much like the one I call "TPQC," which I think is a pachanoi type but could also fit what I think of as a short spine macrogonus - you can check the first page of the "Connoisseur Hybrids 2012" thread for pics of that one.. I'm no expert at cactus ID and there is so much overlap - but the two look very similar.. The boundary between Peruvianus-macrogonus-pachanoi seems to be blurry..

Personally I think the PC/backeberg pachanoi is very much a pachanoi and not a bridgesii. It is slimy inside like most pachanoi rather than not-so slimy like most bridgesii, it grows fat like pachanoi, and it looks like a pachanoi - and when I commune with its spirit during meditation, that spirit seems more pachanoi to me than bridgesii.. Lumberjackus is an interesting clone - I reckon it's pretty much a bridgesii, but as others have noted there's a peruvianus cast to its appearance as well.. It's the most hybrid looking bridgesii of the well-known/well-established bridgesii clones I would say.. Psycho0 is another bridgesii that seems to me to have something else in its lineage.. Whereas KGC, Eileen, N1, and Bruce seem to me to be basically pretty much pure bridgesii..

The history of the Lumberjackus clone is in this thread - dude basically just found it at a hardware store type place and propagated it.. As discussed earlier also there is speculation that it may be the same clone that I believe Mesa Gardens offers by a different name (much like how some people think the aussie "Super Pedro" clone is the same as what we have as a T. "cordobensis" I believe it is in the USA) SS02 is a pure bridgesii or bridgesoid type plant - while it may have pachanoi in its genetic history somewhere that is just speculation and it's the first time I've heard it either (much like how people speculate that the predominant cultivar pachanoi in the USA, the "backeberg" clone is partly a bridgesii)

Made another visit by Zelly's place recently and was delighted to see how well a few of my cacti he is kindly caring for are doing - dude has a serious greenthumb + old-school farming knowledge.. After the "N1" bridgesii flowered and the hybrids with TPM, Psycho0, and TPQC were made I pruned it back to a stump - that is all new growth there.. Here's the N1: And this is an increasingly massive Super Pedro x J3 seedling :

That's exactly right - at this point I'd not buy seeds from any random vendor.. The most obvious example of this is how seeds are sold as "peruvianus" or "bridgesii" or whatever - 9 times out of 10 all that means is that the mother was a peruvianus or bridgesii - who knows what the father was.. This is why we see all these "pachanoi" seedlings with crazy long spines - the mother was obviously growing near some cuzcoensis or whatever..