stay away from RIVER SOURCE BOTANICALS if you know whats good for you. the dude is just as nutbag as verne. RSB owner cancelled my 25 cuttings order because he didnt like another tricho collector that he felt i was associated with and therefore refused service lol. This tricho collector he thinks im associated with was simply a customer of mine a year ago, thats it. the RSB owner had it in his mind that I/we were out to rip him off so he would not even talk to me. was sureal. and completely baseless.