Gymnopilus Purpuratus information?

[mud]

Yes please

So.. there are gyms that just stain orange too?

do they take to long to blue? Do they need to blue?

[tripsis]

Interesting finds folks. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for the article ferret.

Where's mycot? I thought he would have weighed in on this by now. He has a keen interest in Gymnopilus spp.

[SunChaser]

do they take to long to blue? Do they need to blue?

 

Out of the two that I found 1 already had blue staining when I found it on the stem as you can see in the first picture (next to the sub). The other one only started to show blue staining on the cap as it was drying. It's a clear bluing reaction, but not ink blue like the sub.

[Mycot]

looks 'similar' to G. dilepis in Fuhrer's field guide.. but the larger ones pictured above in post#14 are quite distinctly different in my opinion.. would not be surprised if were actually looking at 2 or 3 different blueing gym species in the area..

 

Nice work folks. I would not be at all surprised if there were several different bluing gym species in the area some undescribed.

As for ferrets specimens my opinion is that the ones in post 13 are G.purpuratus.

The ones in post 14 I don't believe to be even in the Gymnopilus genus despite the bluing so that's a very interesting mystery especially if psilocybian.

The ones in post 25 look close to G.dilepis and I believe to be a different species to the ones in post 13.

The latter although deeper in color look similar to some gyms I found some weeks back, pics posted below.

As ferret says "time to dust off the 'scope".

Edited May 19, 2010 by Mycot

[tripsis]

Thanks Mycot.

Nice find you've got there!

What makes you think the mushrooms in post 14 are a Gymnopilus species? The colour of the gills?

[tripsis]

Some pics of a Gymnopilus sp., possibly G. purpuratus, growing in my old yard.

[Mycot]

Nice pics Tripsis. Those are definately gyms but I don't think they are G.purpuratus.

I think they may be of the same species as in the pics I posted.

I also think they may have some activity but haven't fully ascertained this as yet.

Edited May 20, 2010 by Mycot

[Mycot]

What makes you think the mushrooms in post 14 are a Gymnopilus species? The colour of the gills?

 

Nah, what I was saying is that the mushrooms in post 14 are NOT a Gymnopilus species. Which raises the question of what the hell are they.

Especially since they have bluish flecks implying being psilocybian.

The whole morphology of the shroom is unlike that of any gym.

A mate of mine photographed something with a similar general shape but colors like one gets with Hygrocybe conica.

[tripsis]

Well, I would say they are the same species. Any idea what they are?

Nah, what I was saying is that the mushrooms in post 14 are NOT a Gymnopilus species

Oops, that's what I meant. They look fairly similar to other Gymnopilus species to me, although there are definitely differences. The smooth cap is one of them, the paler gills, etc. But the structure of the gills looks fairly similar, as does the general shape and size of them. But I'm no expert on the matter.

[reshroomED]

Quite common in the Northern hills on the edge of the Otways (seem to prefer a dryer habitat than subs), mostly in pine from memory.

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[Mycot]

Well, I would say they are the same species. Any idea what they are?

 

They don't seem to match the description of any known Australian gym species so no I have no idea what species these are, they may be an undescribed.

Its morpology is that of species within one of the active gym clades.

This surprises me not a little because for some weeks they were quite common in woodchip beds in the region.

[Mycot]

Oops, that's what I meant. They look fairly similar to other Gymnopilus species to me, although there are definitely differences. The smooth cap is one of them, the paler gills, etc. But the structure of the gills looks fairly similar, as does the general shape and size of them. But I'm no expert on the matter.

 

With these ones in post 14, yes there is the smooth cap combines with deep color. They also have a fat look about them like a bolete but having gills combined with a fat stem. This general Bolete-like shape is unlike that of any gym.

The gill color looks too light in color for gyms at this level of maturity given the dark color of the cap so it contrasts oddly.

Also on the fat stem note what appears to be annulus about half way down which also stuck me with my mates shrooms. Gyms generally have the annulus much closer to the gills.

For these reasons as well as something my mate photographed I say they are not gyms.

[mutant]

Hello hello, awesome thread, keep it up guys!

I only find G.junonius in my area, but I am interested in the genus.

[ferret]

i think trying to ID this group of gyms based on macro characters is futile, i mean check out the 2 photos each of purpuratus and dilepis in that Rees paper I linked to- they look like 4 distinct entities

Im kickin myself for not hoarding journal papers while i was still at uni, anyone here have access to botany journals?

Regarding the ones in post 14, I feel they are Gyms, but that is going back a few years now. Those photos are ridiculously small, I will post some better quality ones when i find the originals. I do remember the cap was definitely not smooth anyway, and the shape would not be out of line if it were a junionus. I found a similar one a couple of weeks ago which i thought was probably Tricholomopis rutilans and discarded it, after some more research im thinking it was a gym too.

I've not done much microscopy other than checking out cystidia shapes, does anyone know if cystidia pigmentation is only apparent with KOH stains? I've never really seen any with water mounts. If so getting our hands on some 5% KOH would probably make the game a whole lot easier.

Edited May 21, 2010 by ferret

[tripsis]

They also have a fat look about them like a bolete but having gills combined with a fat stem. This general Bolete-like shape is unlike that of any gym.

I wouldn't be so sure, both today and the last time I went hunting, I found G. junonius with very fat, bolete-like stipes. Here's a pic from today:

I hadn't come across them like this before, but have now seen them twice.

Regarding the ones in post 14, I feel they are Gyms, but that is going back a few years now. Those photos are ridiculously small, I will post some better quality ones when i find the originals. I do remember the cap was definitely not smooth anyway, and the shape would not be out of line if it were a junionus. I found a similar one a couple of weeks ago which i thought was probably Tricholomopis rutilans and discarded it, after some more research im thinking it was a gym too.

Could the ones in post #14 be Tricholomopsis rutilans?

Im kickin myself for not hoarding journal papers while i was still at uni, anyone here have access to botany journals?

I have access to some. Which ones do you want?

[Zen Peddler]

I found some blue staining gyms today up in the hills. Ill post in the next week or so.

[Lord Mayonnaise]

I came across these Gyms today.

There's no apparent bruising.

They are very small, I might revisit the site in the near future to check their progress.

Any thoughts on what they might be?

[tripsis]

Nice find Lord Mayo. How big is very small?

[SunChaser]

Flatten one, if it's going to bruise blue you'd think that would make it. Or wait till they dry out and if they are G. purpuratus I think you should probably see bluing then.

Can't wait to see those bluing gyms zen.

[Lord Mayonnaise]

They have a cap width of 12-17mm.

There was another mature specimen which I saw a few days earlier that had a cap width of around 100mm, but I mistook it for a G. junonius and buried it in woodchips. I'll head back tomorrow and fish it out. I'm guessing a few days of decay should show some signs of bruising.

[tripsis]

Was there a reason you buried it with woodchips?

[ferret]

Some pics of a Gymnopilus sp., possibly G. purpuratus, growing in my old yard.

 

hey tripsis, haven't seen a proper description but G. megasporus is meant to have transient purple colours during development. And G. mullaunius (syn. purpuratus) can fade to light ochre with purple remaining on the tips of the scales. I might head to the library tomorrow and look up their descriptions, unless someone can transcribe their entries in Grgurinovic's Larger Fungi of South Australia.

almost like these i found a few years ago, but these look to have scalier caps, more colour in the stems and slightly decurrent gills.

but then a couple of metres next to that group were these

oh yeah, id like to have a look at this paper if you can find it - Rees, B.J. & Ye, J.L. (1999). Pyrrhoglossum and the small-spored species of Gymnopilus (Cortinariaceae) in Eastern Australia. Australian Systematic Botany 12,255-270.

and heres some better quality pics from the 'big reds' in post 14 from a few years ago.

[Mycot]

hey tripsis, haven't seen a proper description but G. megasporus is meant to have transient purple colours during development. And G. mullaunius (syn. purpuratus) can fade to light ochre with purple remaining on the tips of the scales. I might head to the library tomorrow and look up their descriptions, unless someone can transcribe their entries in Grgurinovic's Larger Fungi of South Australia.

 

Excellent thread. Big thanks for everyones contributions.

From "Grgurinovic's Larger Fungi of South Australia 1997".

Edited May 24, 2010 by Mycot

[Lord Mayonnaise]

Tripis - There was a small sunken area in the woodchips, I popped it in there and covered it with woodchips. I thought perhaps the spores would concentrate in that area to create a new home for them. I heard Gyms spores are hard to germinate and I though I'd give them a kick-start. Whether that's true or not, it was a spur-of-the-moment thing in a Sub picking frenzy.

Here are the collected specimens:

The base of the stem of the first specimen seems to have darkened and I think I'm fooling myself by saying I see green bruising. This is the same specimen featured in my earlier post. The banged up specimen shows no signs whatsoever.

Spore colour: Rusty-dusty orange!

[tripsis]

hey tripsis, haven't seen a proper description but G. megasporus is meant to have transient purple colours during development. And G. mullaunius (syn. purpuratus) can fade to light ochre with purple remaining on the tips of the scales. I might head to the library tomorrow and look up their descriptions, unless someone can transcribe their entries in Grgurinovic's Larger Fungi of South Australia.

I love the way people band together to work these things out. Hopefully those descriptions posted by Mycot are of some help to you.

Do you know if G. megasporus is known to be active?

oh yeah, id like to have a look at this paper if you can find it - Rees, B.J. & Ye, J.L. (1999). Pyrrhoglossum and the small-spored species of Gymnopilus (Cortinariaceae) in Eastern Australia. Australian Systematic Botany 12,255-270.

Pyrrhoglossum and the small-spored species of Gymnopilus (Cortinariaceae) in Eastern Australia.pdf

I heard Gyms spores are hard to germinate and I though I'd give them a kick-start. Whether that's true or not, it was a spur-of-the-moment thing in a Sub picking frenzy

Definitely not true.

The first image you posted appears to have green bruising. Could be the photo though.

Pyrrhoglossum and the small-spored species of Gymnopilus (Cortinariaceae) in Eastern Australia.pdf

Pyrrhoglossum and the small-spored species of Gymnopilus (Cortinariaceae) in Eastern Australia.pdf

Edited May 24, 2010 by tripsis