Death for pot in Indonesia

[Talby]

I'm sure this has been posted here before (though I couldn't find it on the search engine)...anyway, disgusting story. Schapelle Leigh Corby still needs people to pester the Australian and Indonesian governments into giving her some hope of saving her life.

Death for Pot in Indonesia

(via Cannabis Canada)

[2b]

When overseas your playing by there rules , no exceptions.It may be unjust but a laws a law.

[tomtom]

yeah and lets give one billion dollars too ...

[gomaos]

well yes tsunami or no tsunami, we shouldn't forget her.

this stinks:

In 1997, the Indonesian government added the death penalty as a punishment for those convicted of drugs in their country. The law has yet to be enforced on any significant, well established drug dealers. Rather, the trend has been to execute unknown, first time, alleged drug traffickers like Corby, who don't have a significant amount of money to bribe the authorities to set them free.

and this

The former Indonesian President, Megawati Sukarnoputri announced Indonesia's intent to implement a fierce war on drugs in 2002. She called for the execution of all drug dealers. "For those who distribute drugs, life sentences and other prison sentences are no longer sufficient," she said. "No sentence is sufficient other than the death sentence." Indonesia's new president, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, also proudly supports executions for drug dealers.

well, even if i would have any money, I'd stay right away from holidaying in that country.

btw I know believe that Miss Corby is innocent and knew nothing about the whole thing.

It just reeks too much of a setup.

[Andrew]

There are exceptions in bali,bribe everyone.I,ve bribed the cops and various government officials over the years(nothing to do with drugs).Of course its toolate for her now it has been publicised

Death for drugs,what about some sort of penalty

for government corruption,unlikely.

I,d be checking out her brother-in-law and his friends.I also wonder how long D&D are going to be able to operate in Bali without drawing some official attention.

[Talby]

 

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When overseas your playing by there rules , no exceptions.It may be unjust but a laws a law.

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That's how I see it in general but since my government (and yours, probably) have a lot to do with these nazi's being in power in the first place, I feel somehow complicit.

 

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It just reeks too much of a setup.

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Yeah, Gom, it does smell fishy. I wouldn't put it past the Indonesian power-junkies, not at all. And even if she is somehow guilty, my tax dollars are going to support her murder (at least since wolfowitz is trying to bring back full support for the indonesian millitary, which congress has banned for a few years)

I certainly wouldn't dream of going to Bali on holiday now, and it's a place I always wanted to go.

 

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I also wonder how long (...)are going to be able to operate in Bali without drawing some official attention.

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I didn't even think about that, horrible thought...maybe they should move to Vanuatu pronto.

[Talby]

 

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When overseas your playing by there rules , no exceptions.It may be unjust but a laws a law.

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That's how I see it in general but since my government (and yours, probably) have a lot to do with these nazi's being in power in the first place, I feel somehow complicit.

 

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It just reeks too much of a setup.

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Yeah, Gom, it does smell fishy. I wouldn't put it past the Indonesian power-junkies, not at all. And even if she is somehow guilty, my tax dollars are going to support her murder (at least since wolfowitz is trying to bring back full support for the indonesian millitary, which congress has banned for a few years)

I certainly wouldn't dream of going to Bali on holiday now, and it's a place I always wanted to go.

 

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I also wonder how long (...)are going to be able to operate in Bali without drawing some official attention.

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I didn't even think about that, horrible thought...maybe they should move to Vanuatu pronto.

[Dodie]

i think it was more along the lines of some drug dealer put the pot in her case and if she got through with it the dealer would steal her bag...no risk for the dealer, just putting someone innocent in shit...

[alucinare]

Yeh i think it is a bit sus you cant be THAT stupid or niave to think you'll get through with THAT much pretty much unconcealed, though how can you not notice that your bodyboard bag (was that it?) is a tad heavier than usual. I am dissappointed in the Oz govern for the lack of support, however, not really surprised; why would they want to get their hands dirty with this kinda stuff? they've done it before.

[2b]

Seriously, do you think you could put 4 oz in a bag , go to the airport ,check your luggage in, board an international flight and get off the other end and not smell anything ? Shit it would stink up the whole cargo bay and luggage handling shed !! You wouldn't need a dog to smell that. If it was that compressed ,seedy , stalky brown shit that the rest of the developing world calls MJ , then you would know it came from Indo.If it was primo hydro style buds ( the sorta stuff that would be worth smuggling ) then she's guilty.

[Dubius]

It is not surprising that the state of Indonesia behaves as it does, as it is, after all, a former province of empire – a successor state; constructed on the codified imperial law of the Roman Emperor Justininian; a constitution transferred and imposed by the imperial government of the Netherlands, who in earlier times had been dominated by the Romans.

The manifest cultures and ethnic groups which comprise the ‘state’ of ‘Indonesia’ were acted on by the Dutch, as the Romans acted on Europe - for over three hundred years.

The Netherlands controlled trade, provided infrastructure, suppressed religious extremism, and imposed alien laws and culture upon the East Indies – the 17,000 islands that now comprise ‘Indonesia’.

Upon the collapse of the European empire in 1946, the memory of Europe’s imperial presence provided a model which the survivors of imperial rule could mimic.

The self appointed ‘Indonesian Generals’, armed with salvaged Dutch weapons, which included captured German Panzer tanks, captured Japanese munitions, and abandoned US military surplus; cobbled together a nation state that had limited cultural and religious commonality.

Yet, in a world weary of war, and subservient to the interests of the American victor - the post WWII, existence of the ‘State of Indonesia’ was supported, reinforced, and ratified within U.N, with the overwhelming and deciding vote of the U.S. and Australia.

We helped make them!

On a recent trip to Indonesia (shortly before Schapelle was arrested), I could not help but notice the almost complete lack of law enforcement within Indonesia’s borders. It seems their laws, in particular, those that affect foreigners, or are subject to global scrutiny are enforced - but only as a façade to save face internationally; and that the internal workings of Indonesian societies, are for the most part governed by the chaos of anything goes. In my experience the real people of Indonesia, are less concerned with international law and politics, than they are with making ends meet.

Indonesian roads have dividing lines painted on them and there are street signs that follow international standards, but they patently ignored, as traffic moves every which way, and if roads are jammed, they find a gap, and just squeeze though.

If you want to cross the road in Indonesia, don’t walk, RUN!

Pornography is illegal, but prostitution is rampant - which is just as well, because in my experience Javanese and Balinese women are lovely to hold, on behest…

In Java, I visited Taman National park, which, as its name implies, is a preserve for everything natural – except I saw Oran-a-tangs smoking cigarettes!!!!

In Bali, I found that there was no problem buying pot, or anything else for that matter. In between trying to sell you cheap T shirts that don’t fit, and fake Rolex that don’t work - the locals half whisper, half shout - the availability of pot, cocaine and heroin. My traveling companion bought quite a lot of pot, and there was quite a lot of smoking going on, but I didn’t inhale any ……

When you watch Indonesian TV, there is a choice between poorly produced local TV shows - where the acting sucks, and they speak in Indo-Malay gibberish, or HBO (U.S.A.), BBC (U.K) and ABC (OZ), with their big budgets, English language and flashy-glamorous TV shows - what choice would most people make?

Fact is, these poor bastards are bombarded with our culture and obvious wealth 247 and define themselves by it. They don’t have a choice – our business interests invade the alien-legal-loop-holes we proudly, of imperial European descent, collectively impose and enforce with the threat of the almighty U.S. Pacific carrier fleet, with her strategically southern, continently based brethren – the ‘Royal’ Australian Army.

Then, convenient to global imperial strategy, nature provides; hundreds of thousands of people within the ‘state of Indonesia’s’ charge are killed by tsunami. America and her allies exploit their situation; within days of disaster, Moslem Aceh is bestridden by American, Australian, English, and miscellaneous Europeans – The Almighty Allies!

America supplies a fully armored, fighting Marine contingent from Diego Garcia, replete with a MOTHER of a carrier ship, with a portable army and, air force that can process 350,000 liters of drinking water from the sea, per hour. The armored engineers of Europe, including Japan (who still manages to humble herself and pass as a Euro -American ally), provide ‘aid and comfort’ to the enemy - a Moslem motivated state, racked by rebellion. The ‘Indonesian ministers of state offer standard and impotent warnings against interference!

The Allies ignore and occupy.

Once you get past the initial shock of the average ‘Indonesians’ brash desperation, you get to know them and, see them as ordinary people just trying to get by – Indonesian’s are OK! The people of Indonesia are doing their level best to survive, but dream of being like us – and doing whatever it takes. This attitude carries all the way to the highest levels of their government. In the international arena, the Indonesian government is doing its best to save face, and act like a nation state, and failing because the people that live in their ‘state’ are disparate, desperate and need leadership.

They look to Australia and want our respect.

Fuck Schapelle Leigh Corby - a spoiled and ignorant Australian child!

Why the hell would you travel with pot?

I am sure she didn’t have anything on her; I think Schapelle has a long history of buying drugs in an impoverished, chaotic land; I think she failed to observe and fit local rules. If you do deals with people that respect, but resent the powerful culture you come from, they will use whatever communal means (corrupt or otherwise) at their disposal to undo you on their own turf - in their terms.

The Schapelle Leigh Corby case is an ‘Indonesian’ face saving stunt, and is already forgotten.

I sympathize with her soul - her death will likely be drawn out and, pointless; but she fucked up; she came from our society, with every captured resource at her disposal, yet she ventured into a weaker neighboring culture - apparently clueless - and failed to act intelligently. Schapelle did not try and understand or react to the reality of where and when she was.

I hope her execution is fast and painless, that the twenty one million spoiled Australians learn to understand and respect their two hundred and eighty million impoverished ‘Indonesian’ neighbors.

[nabraxas]

excellent rant devance.

don't know if i agree w/your conclusions about chapelle, but as has been pointed out before, it was the US & Australia that pushed the SE Asian "democracies" to impose harsher sentances for drugs back in the 70's.

2 indonesian customs officials have stated, on oath,

that she first tried to prevent them from opening the bag, then first off claimed the marijuana as hers.

she is accusing them both ov lying.

whoever you believe, she's screwed.

[The Dude]

Why would any1 claim it's theirs? If thats what the customs officials are saying I bet they ARE lying. Really it doesn't make sense unless she is REALLY stupid!

[Talby]

Thanks for the enlightening summary of moderrn Indonesian history, D. Like a lot of people in the States I know vagueries about colonial history, and a lot about government slaughters of civilians carried out with U.S. weapons. But I know hardly anyone that's been there recently.

I'm probably making too many connections to the Southwest US/Mexico border region where I live, where the word of customs officials on either side are to be taken with a grain of salt (or other powder) at best. I'm not sure how far I'd trust a sworn-in customs official at any level. Surely at best there's room for doubt.

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Fuck Schapelle Leigh Corby - a spoiled and ignorant Australian child!

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Come on, man, a shred of compassion, please, and not just on the ethereal level. You know why I say this? Because:

 

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she fucked up; she came from our society, with every captured resource at her disposal, yet she ventured into a weaker neighboring culture - apparently clueless - and failed to act intelligently.

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OK, maybe true, but hypocritical for myself and quite a few others who did more dangerous, idiotic, clueless things in our twenties than we'd like to remember.

I really know nothing about Schapelle or her case personally, and was more trying to raise protest against "Death Penalties for Drug Possession" in any country, including Indonesia. Death penalties for drug possesion in countries like Indonesia are a disgusting remnant of the colonialism you described,t that these governments feel they have to kowtow themselves to the master empire in this way to have pride.

Of course Corby's case is a drop in the ocean of human violence, in the Indonesian govt's record of violence, etc., and her death would be one more figure on a very long list.

 

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Why the hell would you travel with pot?

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Exactly what I was wondering.

[nabraxas]

Why would any1 claim it's theirs? --- maybe

she is REALLY stupid, & thought unless she claimed it they'd take it from her.

maybe in the panic her mouth was working ahead ov her brain.

[gomaos]

Why the hell would you travel with pot?

Maybe if one doesn't like stinking beer or whiskey?

oh btw best solution for this case:

Employ a first class squat team with a couple of helicopters, bust her out of Bali Jail, (shouldn't be hard) then take a detour via Jakarta by helicopter to shit on the steps of Indonesia parliament house, to show them our regard for their "democracy"

[Jesus On Peyote]

gomaos:

Why the hell would you travel with pot?

Maybe if one doesn't like stinking beer or whiskey?

oh btw best solution for this case:

Employ a first class squat team with a couple of helicopters, bust her out of Bali Jail, (shouldn't be hard) then take a detour via Jakarta by helicopter to shit on the steps of Indonesia parliament house, to show them our regard for their "democracy"

Hah!,Indonesia would pop a cap in australias ass if they tried anything funky.if the girl dident wanna die she shouldent have taken pot. Simple

Im sure anyone from aus who has heard about it will think twice before trying to do the same.

[NatureBoy]

as unlikely as it seems, and certainly not wanting to try, do any of you think it would still be possible to get a small bag of mj into indonesia?

and return home alive?

[ 09. February 2005, 01:15: Message edited by: NatureBoy ]

[nabraxas]

nature boy---how big is a "small bag"?

sure i know people who've taken a few grams ov hash from india through SE asia---swallowed or stuck up the rectum; but this girl was caught w/4 KILOS (not ounces as stated above)---that's a mighty BIG bag.

[gomaos]

The last time I was in Bali, a few years ago, I talked to germans and other people who said they regularly bring their own hash and other things for the holiday in Bali, because in Bali there is only crap or nothing available.

Which i can only confirm:

The dope they sell in Bali on the street is fake, not dope at all, and if you really want to get some, you'll end up paying higher prices than in Western countries for balinese grown pot which is worse than anyone's homegrown....

[-YT-]

Ah so they sell fake smoke lol.Gomoas do u have any idea of what would be used instead of the real deal? Ive heard u can get al kinds of drugs over their but as to their quality ??????

[delysid]

..fact remains ... humans killing other humans over a plant.

how come i cant get over this as i get older .. i just always seems totally unacceptable :confused:

[gomaos]

Well it is unacceptable...

plus many people have been persecuted most of their adult lives for the same reason, they have been denied jobs because they were "hippies" (=dope smokers), or if they have/had jobs, their life was made hell because workmates knew they were dope smokers etc.

This is unacceptable because it is persecution in it's purest form, people are being punished, even killed for not committing any crime...

the persecution of drugtakers has been compared to the murdering of "witches etc" in the middle ages, I would even compare it to what Hitler did with the jews.

The fact is: If drugs as crude and dangerous as alcohol and tobacco are legal, then most other drugs should be legal, because most are less harmful than alcohol or tobacco!

[delysid]

gomaos:

The fact is: If drugs as crude and dangerous as alcohol and tobacco are legal, then most other drugs should be legal, because most are  less harmful than alcohol or tobacco!

but most other 'chemically sensitive' compounds/chemicals facilitate a disregard for authority or other rule regimes..

wherein the case for sugar, caffeine, alcohol & tobacco, authority and rule are never in question or at risk of disregard by the user..

subsequently any rulemaker is going to cash in on the addictive qualities of these 'legal' drugs without risk to disregard for the rules. plus the authorities of the world are happy to benefit from the side effects/symptoms of said legal drugs, like coffee for example.

i cant think of a workplace in Victoria tha doesnt have access to a coffee machine. in fact, i think its even in most Unions EBA.