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MMDA-4 is possible!!!

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Congratulations cob! I hope you still have that wonderful glow you get from deciphering the undeciphjkalejrble Any reply from the good Dr Shulgin yet?

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Na, not yet. But a lot of emails went missing last week, so he may well have. I usually give it 3 or 4 weeks before nagging

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LOL, it's a dicot. .... and hence in the plantae

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damn - a dicot - thats dashed my suspicion

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Originally posted by Torsten:

No. and I am not going to answer any more questions about any taxonomic levels.

I should not have commented on the higher levels... give an inch .....

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APOCYNACEA -

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Originally posted by Skulking Lurker:

Dragibaceae

:P

Damn!! How did you know

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Hmmm

so is Dragibaceae a monospecific family or are there others?

I've been wondering this for a while but strangely I can't find much info :confused:

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I thought i'd worked it out then, but it was a native i was thinking of. And it was in the leaves not the roots. Oh well! A mystery is better anyway!

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No, it's not the pepperberry

And yes, it may well be found in a native one of these days.

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frigging long list..... but no.

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So Will u answer the 20th question now T?

How are things going?, do u have sufficient numbers of plants for sale or the essential oil yet?, what did Sasha say?, if he answered u.

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What do we get if we get it right :D

Edited by teonanacatl

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maybe I should rephrase that.

It took me about 10mins but I found the plant this is from and the article. Has precursor for MMDA, MMDA-2 and MMDA-4 and in decent amounts :P MMDA-5 was not made either yeah?

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Come on Tort spill ya guts. Its almost been 3 years, surely that goes well beyond what normal peeps would call "quite soon".

Couldn't be arsed playin with the stuff, but I just gotta satisfy me dang naggin curiosity :).

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IT's been so long I've forgotten. seriously. It was a member of the Piper genus and I am bound to have it on file.

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Found it. It is Piper auritum. The 3-methoxy-4,5-methylenedioxallylbenzene is present in the roots.

Piper_auritum_root_analysis_MMDA4.pdf

Grow your own: http://shaman-australis.com.au/shop/index....cPath=21_35_102

Piper_auritum_root_analysis_MMDA4.pdf

Piper_auritum_root_analysis_MMDA4.pdf

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Never got a reply from Sasha on this one, but have just emailed him again to chase this up.

Just so there is no misunderstanding, my interest in these oils is purely from the perspective of their metabolic possibilities, ie the possibility of biogenic MMDA-4 via liver [proven] or other tissues [speculative]. Illegal chemistry is bad, m'kay!

Whatever happened to cookie-monster? did/does anyone have contact with him? curious how he mentioned the ACC all the way back in 2005.

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Sorry to side track but speaking of people called cookie monster, Cookie for short (Chris), old party head from Melbourne, I heard that he had died, anyhone here know if thats true?

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