Slocombe Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/mother-and-daughter-jailed-for-importing-tea-the-abf-wrongly-identified-as-drugs-20211116-p599du.html I'm so angry reading this. Just a word of warning to anyone that's importing anything, that you are taking a risk no matter how innocent you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strontium Dawg Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 That's really concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-RC- Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Fucking crazy, but pretty typical of what has been going on for decades to be fair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonecud_56 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) Unbelieveable. Especially when you see those border security TV shows where they test a substance and get a result in seconds. Hoe the officers involved get sacked and pay the costs themselves and that the victims are compensated from their pockets, not public funds.....wishful thinking and will never happen though Edited November 17, 2021 by bonecud_56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyzygy Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Did the TGA have anything to do with this raid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strontium Dawg Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 On 17/11/2021 at 11:10 AM, bonecud_56 said: Unbelieveable. Especially when you see those border security TV shows where they test a substance and get a result in seconds. Hoe the officers involved get sacked and pay the costs themselves and that the victims are compensated from their pockets, not public funds.....wishful thinking and will never happen though It's the supervisors and managers of those Frontline officers who need a boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonecud_56 Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 21/11/2021 at 10:33 AM, Glaukus said: It's the supervisors and managers of those Frontline officers who need a boot. Yeah, you're right. There must be some kind of approval process to lay such charges and gaol people....one would assume that verification that it actually is an illegal substance would be required, surely it should be the first question in the decision tree...you know what they say about assume though. Last time I checked we're not guilty until proven innocent in this country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strontium Dawg Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, bonecud_56 said: Last time I checked we're not guilty until proven innocent in this country. Unfortunately that hasn't been quite true since not long after 911 when sweeping laws were introduced that allow for detention without charge, and other draconian measures akin to minority report. It's a shame nobody lined the streets protesting about those laws which were an actual attack on our freedom and the rule of law... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyzygy Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 13 hours ago, Glaukus said: Unfortunately that hasn't been quite true since not long after 911 when sweeping laws were introduced that allow for detention without charge, and other draconian measures akin to minority report. It's a shame nobody lined the streets protesting about those laws which were an actual attack on our freedom and the rule of law... Not only the presumption of innocence, but any and all human rights are potentially overridden "in time of public emergency which threatens the life of the nation" -- Australian Attorney-General website quoting ICCPR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterboy 2.0 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 A tale from many moons ago when a beaker I know was threatened to be charged with importing ephedrine.... Contained within ephedra seeds.... Which don't contain ephedrine... " Test it ya fuckwit and get back to me..." Lots of attempted stand over letters/emails, but the doubt held back going to prosecution. A few good months of correspondence. If they went gung ho then the onus would be back to the beaker to pay the costs of testing etc...IF the seeds were still held as evidence, although in this case I believe they were destroyed immediately hence they border monkeys put themselves in the corner to attempt a successful prosecution. Presumption of innocence is a fallacy a lot of folk that haven't appeared before a court or two hold. Then it becomes a battle of wealth... Conflating innocence, proclaimed individual rights and human rights is a superficial take on complex matters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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