mega-brothel gets go-ahead

[nabraxas]

A Sydney brothel has received the green light for a multi-million-dollar expansion which will see it become Australia’s largest sex premises, with rooms featuring multiple beds and pool tables.

Stiletto promotes itself as “the world’s finest short-stay boutique hotel and Sydney brothel”. Its standard hourly rate of Aus$370 includes room, lady of choice and beverages.

It is open 24 hours each day of the year except for Christmas Day and boasts a “mixed clientele” which it claims includes top-end celebrities including movie stars, sportspeople and rock bands.

 

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[PositiveHAL]

so whats your take on this nabraxas...

[qualia]

le palais de la baise, une excellente!

[nabraxas]

my take, $370/hour seems quite high, but i guess you get what you pay for.

i don't really have much ov an opinion on prostitution.

obviously there's a great potential for harm; sex trafficking, sex slavery, sex tourism for peodophiles etc.

but that's only half the story.

Many women choose to become prostitues. There are safe, regulated brothels. I have no problem w/that, & to any sex workers

that might be reading this much respect, you provide a much needed social service.

But then i'm hamstrung by my xtian upbringing.

I personally would have a hard time dealing w/the feelings ov guilt & shame that using such a service would

bring me.

Oh yeah, i can work through it logically as to why there shouldn't be such a reaction, but these things are deeply ingrained:

[Halcyon Daze]

I would never visit a brothel personally but I think they are another good example of where regulation is the best solution for a tricky issue.

Banning prostitution won't make it go away, and only makes the problem worse (with increased disease, abuse, unwanted children, abortions, etc etc)

Regulation is also the best way to go with the abortion issue, pornography, heroin use (ie methodone program), alcohol (was once prohibited) guns etc etc etc.

If we regulate all these other things, the why the heck don't we regulate cannabis also?

Obviously there will always be some level of imperfection with all these issues including licensed brothels, but if things get too bad then just tweak the regulations to bring things back under control again.

As for mega brothels, I don't see the need to take things to such extremes. It's all just for profits and could cause a backlash to a system that is working fine enough as it is.

[CoLaNuT]

Wonder if they need quality control staff?

[Zen Peddler]

Id like to do a sideline filming the shit that goes down in there secretly on a hidden camera then peddling it on the net.

[nabraxas]

I would never visit a brothel personally

why?

is it for the same reason as me, guilt etc.

or is it because you're too proud to pay for sex & would rather just use women w/out paying for it....apart from the movie tickets & meal afterwards?

not having a go HD, & not suggesting anything about yourself, just using your statement to open up the topic.

but there are all these "how to game women" type courses etc. that treat women as prey....i wonder if misrepresenting oneself & preying on women's emotions to secure a "conquest" are in fact morally worse than using a prostitute?

personally i try not to have morals, it makes everything alot easier.

i am inclined to believe that as long as the pro & her client or the hustler & his conquest all roll out ov bed happy & satisfied then morality be damned.

[whitewind]

Capitalism is the big game of our society, and the only game we're allowed to play. Anything is for sale; if the nutty moralisers force the government to make laws about something it just makes the game more exciting. Anything is for sale, for a price, including those laws.

Capitalism is quite disgusting; only power (money) is important. We cannot make moral, or intuitive decisions, or sensible decisions very effectively if we want to be part of the game and we have no choice but to be part of the game.

but there are all these "how to game women" type courses etc. that treat women as prey....i wonder if misrepresenting oneself & preying on women's emotions to secure a "conquest" are in fact morally worse than using a prostitute?

 

That is just as grotesque as forcing a woman in to prostitution; it is using lies to get what you want, using the desires of the other person as a means to trick them. A woman who chooses to be a prostitute is another thing entirely BUT I am of the understanding that the vast majority of women would rather do something else, given a choice. That's where capitalism is wrong - it doesn't give many people as much choice as it claims; I would warrant that the vast majority of people in our society would prefer to do something else to make a living.

How grotesque is that?

[rahli]

but there are all these "how to game women" type courses etc. that treat women as prey....i wonder if misrepresenting oneself & preying on women's emotions to secure a "conquest" are in fact morally worse than using a prostitute?

 

My mum used to advise me along these lines. I think it likely that she would rather me have had a fling with a prostitute that some dopey slut from a night club that could result in an unwanted pregnancy, potentialy destroying my emotions to secure a baby. "That's what they are for" she would tell me "when you just wont to use a woman for sex, it's much better then preying on some drunk girl at a night club". She also said that if men where to have affairs in marriage it would be much less damaging to a relationship if they had sex with prostitutes because there is no emotion betrayal attached to it as there would be if you fucked the office girl at work or some shit like that.

[Halcyon Daze]

why?

is it for the same reason as me, guilt etc.

or is it because you're too proud to pay for sex & would rather just use women w/out paying for it....apart from the movie tickets & meal afterwards?

not having a go HD, & not suggesting anything about yourself, just using your statement to open up the topic.

but there are all these "how to game women" type courses etc. that treat women as prey....i wonder if misrepresenting oneself & preying on women's emotions to secure a "conquest" are in fact morally worse than using a prostitute?

personally i try not to have morals, it makes everything alot easier.

i am inclined to believe that as long as the pro & her client or the hustler & his conquest all roll out ov bed happy & satisfied then morality be damned.

 

It's not really my morals or whatever, I just don't think it would be nice at all, kinda off-putting and gross is how I see it. Besides, nothing beats the excited look on the face of the one you actually love. I don't really see women as a conquest either, lol they must really hate that.

Having said all that I do get your point of "some do & some don't" etc, so I'm not judging others freedom of choice.

[ballzac]

I think there's some responsibility on the part of a lot of women for the way that a lot of men use bullshit to get sex. It's a simple fact that the a lot of women, especially when they are young and haven't been burnt yet, are not attracted to real men who behave in a real and honest way, and are instead swayed by the slick, suave approach of bullshit artists who will say anything to get a root. However, I'm absolutely not defending that approach. I think it's pretty aweful, but it seems to work much more consistently than just being oneself, and women as a group have the power to change whether it works or not.

I don't see anything wrong with paying for the services of a prostitute, and I have the utmost respect for anyone who has the guts to do such a politically incorrect task to make a living.

I reckon what would be cooler than a 'mega-brothel' would be an 'adult themepark'.

[Halcyon Daze]

Good points ballzac but I can't help but wonder about the theme park. If there's a penis shaped Log ride that splashes down into a a lake of immitation sex-juice then I'm takin' the missus!

[Zen Peddler]

Capitalism is quite disgusting; only power (money) is important. We cannot make moral, or intuitive decisions, or sensible decisions very effectively if we want to be part of the game and we have no choice but to be part of the game.

Amen.

[Distracted]

Well, one of the researchers, during the chaos event, observed how one of the monkeys exchanged money to another for sex. After the act was over, the monkey which was paid immediately used it to buy a grape…

Though i'd just leave this little bit here...

The article on the study

http://www.zmescience.com/research/how-scientists-tught-monkeys-the-concept-of-money-not-long-after-the-first-prostitute-monkey-appeared/

The actual study

http://www.q-group.org/archives_folder/pdf/spring2008/ChenBehavioralBiases.pdf

i am inclined to believe that as long as the pro & her client or the hustler & his conquest all roll out ov bed happy & satisfied then morality be damned.

I don't think there are many happy people in these arrangements.

I'd argue anyone willing to pay for sex is unhappy to begin with, they're trying to use sex to offset that unhappiness but there's no way it could actually fulfill them as the sex will only treat the symptom of their unhappy lifestyle not the cause.

Meh... in the end is there no wrong life, happy, sad, completely irrelevant to experience.

[CoLaNuT]

...Australia’s largest sex premises...

...probably like Woolworths trying to wipe out the little corner store.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Ive Fargottin

[nabraxas]

in the end is there no wrong life, happy, sad, completely irrelevant to experience.

i think i know what you mean, but could you expand on that please?

[Distracted]

i think i know what you mean, but could you expand on that please?

 

hmm i didn't word that the right way...

I meant they're both experiences either way and should be valued the same. I in no way should be telling people they're living the wrong life because I think they're sad.

[nabraxas]

yeah that's what i thought you meant. Agreed.

[botanika]

....i wonder if misrepresenting oneself & preying on women's emotions to secure a "conquest" are in fact morally worse than using a prostitute?

personally i try not to have morals, it makes everything alot easier.

 

Wearing a push up bra is missrepresenting yourself. Women are the complete masters of playing manipulation games with dating or relationships and men should not have much hesitation about also manipulating things to ultimately get closer to a women. Women are always engineering the situation by how they dress, behave, test us and choose partners (it can be markedly different to what men choose and often vastly different to what hollywood movies depict). Respect women but make no excuses for being a man.

[PositiveHAL]

Wearing a push up bra is missrepresenting yourself. Women are the complete masters of playing manipulation games with dating or relationships and men should not have much hesitation about also manipulating things to ultimately get closer to a women. Women are always engineering the situation by how they dress, behave, test us and choose partners (it can be markedly different to what men choose and often vastly different to what hollywood movies depict). Respect women but make no excuses for being a man.

 

lol 'Dont hate da playa, hate da game biiitch"

[Halcyon Daze]

Most females have an in-built drive to find the one who will provide best for her offspring, In other words, they're looking for a good beta-male.

Sluts on the other hand, they're always looking for the alpha-male type with the big car and cocky attitude. Their offspring usually end up in the dole queues. true story.

[ghosty]

why has this gone all about moral values and variants of such within the people? it's not relevent. this is about money only. having said that, id like to see some fiqures please. LOL

though i wonder, just how many people here can honestly say they have never had any form of sexual act take place at one time, driven by a payment of some kind. on that note, whats the story on giving a "thank you" gift?

this country, this comunity, is driven by the dollar. everything has a price. i dont agree with it, but thats the way it is. morally i think it's fine. people have long been "f*^ck$$g around" and trading things for it. both people have something the other wants, hence a trade is made. it lessens, to a small extent the spread of STD's in the comunity, that has to be good right? it saves the people that do this rather primal act i guess from becoming a criminal and maybe, just maybe stopping so much of the hardcore drugs, the problem drugs like smack, crack, and pop from that scene and it's people. ive taken offers before when much younger. i think most have. i wonder if the day will come when i will make these "offers" myself?

personaly, i dont "do" anyone that i have not formed close bond to these days. so none of this is for me, for some yeah but not me. and thats cool.

[ghosty]

Daze, interesting theory you have. perhaps wise =) though, the slut not always be. the earth, like people change in time.

[whitewind]

Most females have an in-built drive to find the one who will provide best for her offspring, In other words, they're looking for a good beta-male.

Sluts on the other hand, they're always looking for the alpha-male type with the big car and cocky attitude. Their offspring usually end up in the dole queues. true story.

 

Sluts, eh. For once I kind of disagree with you Halcyon - or you could have phrased that a bit more nicely! I think these girls have the same drive, only their educational background means they think a fast car and arrogant behaviour is the one who will provide best - just as the ones with the fast car and arrogance thinks it means they will pick up chicks. For the most part they are well matched!

It's mostly about education and cultural ignorance, sometimes about the level of intelligence.

With a bit of education (not religious) and sane cultural tradition (again not religious based) and in a decent economy (not capitalism) these people will probably earn enough money to live a different life and not have several useless kids that will live on the dole. It is our duty as educated and intelligent people to overthrow / change the fucked up systems that the system runs on and replace them with something new. Preferably with education (not emotion) science (not religion) and sharing (not greed). It's a bit damning of our species that we don't have those systems in place already - and most unfortunate that science has enabled our population to increase exponentially before we are able to think and work intelligently and co-operatively!